Mr. Vijay there are several temples in India where a certain section of the society are not let to come in and worship. Moreover several Hindus are going to bed without even a single meal for a day. Rather than addressing these issues if BJP goes around talking about building Mandir and about women in discos then how do you think people would care to vote. BJP had two section of voters,one section was the conservative semi urban voter (mostly upper caste) and other section which was liberal and voted for BJP to oppose pseudo secularism of mainstream parties. It is these liberal urban voters whom Vajpayee brought in who have been lost.While good things of the past have to be retained mistakes of past should be removed. Vijay's statement that Indian civilization was the greatest masks the fact there were flaws too in our past. A flaw that kept education only for the higher castes and excluded lower castes. For Hindus to unite first remove caste distinction in temples, provide food for poor in temple, make caste insignificant and erase it from Indian society at the earliest. Can BJP dare to take on casteism in India? If it does that then it will succeed in uniting all the Hindus. By the way why BJP did not care for Srilankan Tamils who were mostly Hindus? Was it because they were not veg upper caste hindus? or was it because they are not fair skinned north indian hindus? I hope everyone sees where the faultline is? We do not treat all Hindus equal. Now change that for unity !!
Prove India is Great by - 1] Remove special status of J& K -- 2] Have common civil code to all Indians 3] Have reservations only for Economicaly Backwards and not on Cast or Religion Basis. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHOSE INDIA MAN? Do not tilt the matter conveniently.
* BJP chose a Hawala dealer to LEAD India. * Post Babr!, BJP did not FORESEE that propagating H!nduism will intrinsically IGNITE Caste!sm in India. * BJP tried to polarize H!ndus Votes VERSUS Rest of Communities Votes. * Hence NO sane voter from BC/SC/ST and Minority Communities will ever vote for BJP in future. * And Kumaraswamy, Naveen Patnaik, Nitish Kumar, Chauhan are also DESERTING BJP now.
"They were responsible for Pokaran-II and were committed to preserve our rights for Pokaran-III if needed. Was that against the national interest?" --------------
Yes it is against national interest. It is not easy to covince BJP why their righteous stupidty can harm the nation.
After China tested in 1964 at Lop Nor the decision to make India nuclear was taken in the INC Session at Durgpaur in 1965. Since then India has worked assiduously to acquire the technology. There were severe opposition from all world powers, after 1974 test NSG was formed, over years it grew more teeth and only after this N-deal, India is partly past the technology denial regime.
The 1998 test was toyed by PVN, earlier by Deve Gowda and IK Gujaral. Fearing severe economic consequences they did not take it. Rajiv Gandhi was determined to test if he came back, lost his life during election itself. PVN had prepared and deferred the test to pos-election but did not win the elections.
Such matters are strategic decision of global impact not domestic political ones. They need to be taken in stealth. There is no need to create a political constituency on security matters, and to seek political mileage is bad karma.
And so was making an issue out of hanging, but here BJP shall not see reason and they have forgotten Maqbool Bhat. Making law take its graceful course with no odour of bias is superior way.
These matters need more sophistication than Raj Niti, they need Pragya Niti.
Re: why BJP's righteous stupidty can harm the nation.
by floatsam on May 25, 2009 07:39 PM
Lest it be misunderstood, it is not the test but talking about not ruling out future test was not in the national interest. If BJP had won on the political platform they had run, economy would have taken a severe downslide.
Think, sagacious LKA knew that election was already lost and he was basically creating politcal constituency. But this approach also is not a good idea, for it only creates long term uncertainties.
Indian strategic capability is a factor of stability in Asiatic region and the communication envelope it needs is that of quiet national consensus within the innards of the Parliamentary working and various think tanks in India. There is no need to bring the matter to streets or to the hustings.
Re: Re: why BJP's righteous stupidty can harm the nation.
by floatsam on May 25, 2009 07:55 PM
The policy nuances are very intricate and extremely difficult. To obtain even an idea of complexity involved is not easy!
How do we create a consistent case in international law for India to join NPT as a N nation?
How do we aver for an international regime in case a non-nuclear nation test?
How can a policy endorsement be formulated for cap and roll back of a N-state on the verge of chaos with no impingement on India's strategic future.
These legal-political matters require sophistication and expertise India does possess and their work can be only hindered by politcal noises which can be used by conflicting interests. For ultimately decisions can be taken only by politicians and no one else.
By talking out of turn they would have either oversimiplified Indian perspective, worse put India in a serious logjam.
Re: Re: Re: why BJP's righteous stupidty can harm the nation.
by floatsam on May 25, 2009 09:59 PM
INC, BJP and Left constitute three major political quadrants. The fourth quadrant has a motley crowd of regional parties and sub-sectional ones. Sub-sectional in the sense that they reflect aspirations of few caste combinations in a region.
China, our contender has a single party rule and they have been able to formulate strategies and policies in a superior manner. The synergy of combination within the four quadrants if available to India would help Indian democracy fashion superior capabilities. Even while the domestic competitive play required for free society and civil democracy get in no way compromised.
It is move towards full quadrant capability which is the need for long term policy making. Here present numbers do not count, for the numbers are subject to change over the years.
Re: Re: Re: Re: why BJP's righteous stupidty can harm the nation
by floatsam on May 25, 2009 10:37 PM
If we win the war of ideas, we shall be richer with both Vidya (wisdom) and Vitta (wealth)" -- Tarun Vijay ----------
We lost the war of ideas and it has been a miserable loss. This expression of concern, hopefully would make the concerned ones reflect more.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: why BJP's righteous stupidty can harm the na
by floatsam on May 25, 2009 11:12 PM
To distill ideas in abstraction is easy. To till an idea into reality is not.
We need to create a meritocratic structure, a market place really, where ideas can compete, evolve, gain credence and if fit find acceptance.
Let us not cling to ideas, see them merely as tools to realise postulated beliefs and axiomatic truths.
Issues dont win elections in India neither do mottos anymore. Well congress motto has always been "Garibi Badao sarkar Chalao", however unsaid it may have been but it is very much the core of their policies. But people dont et it even the ones whop are hurt by these policies.Because it doesn't matter to them even if all hell breaks loose cause for people Congress had better leaders. They were made to believe,which they did,that congress was the only option to them as the other parties had done nothing with their chances. And people forget that they are giving this party chances for almost a lifetime now and look where we stand. Every neighbour of ours is a threat, still talking about roads and basic infrastructure after over 60 years of independence. Surely elections here are won on more than issues. BJP did not have a Leader to get the votes nationally. Well Mr. advani has never been accepted nationally. Also they are not sure who will take over next. Congress has the benifit of falling back on the family. Rahul Gandhi had a wider appeal than Mr.Advani with the younger gen voters who are the smartest lot.Rahul looks likes a perfect mama's boy who won't do anything naughty and will respect the elders, so a very promising aspect whereas BJP's answer Varun looks d very opposite. Now onus is on other parties to find better looking charming polished leaders. By d way Atal ji was one of dvery best as they ever come. So d election was won and lost on d very choice of Poster boy.
Issues raised are very correct. I had given same comment ie. issues raised above as answer to Mr Prafull Bidwai's article 1/2 days earlier. Congress has bought out channels and newspapers nearly 150 in Nos. as told by Mr Kapil Sibal Congressman hence we cannot expect better than this. Media will always oppose to us. But we have to continue as issues raised by more logical correct in national sense though these are called communal.
