Mr. Advani saiaid that Dr. Singh is a weak PM. But, now he might have understood, who is weak and who is strong. Dr. Manmohan Singh is clean,straight forward gentleman, who can rule the country successfully and efficiently at atmost level. That is why again he nominated.
I congratulate him all success and have good health to drive our country in progress and prosperity level. Wish Him est of Luck. TC Mamen.
NAM is crap! Non-alignment never existed- everyone was aligned somehow with either of the blocs- India, who became closely 'identified' with the Soviet bloc, cannot claim to have been 'non-aligned'.
Dr. Singh is King again and the accuser Mr. L.K. Advani who said Dr. Singh is a weak Priminister but people of this country rejected his call and responded that Dr. Singh is only the King.
Re: Advani - what a shame !
by Mogumbo on May 20, 2009 05:59 PM
NO he is not the king. This is provoking thought. He is the PM of a great team along with Sonia and his cabinet. I am glad advani is out of the picture. He was poison to mother india.
"A non-aligned and isolated India would have been a vulnerable target for the nuclear-armed Pakistani jihadis to bleed it through a thousand cuts." ------------------
Equating non-alignment with isolation is absurd. Isolation is what was imposed on India by cold war players. India was victimised into isolation due to its sovreign non-aligned policies. Giving up non-alignment would be throwing in the towel!
Non-alignment is a sound legal position. It is a statement about abiding by International laws and ought to be seen as synonymous to being a free nation. Giving up non-alignment is a fundamental opposite to swadeshi spirit and is akin to relegating India to a dominion status.
We need a constructionist approach to resolving issues with Pakistan, i.e. go by the original premises and intents of our freedom leaders who agreed to Pakistan. They had agreed to a stable, friendly and secular Pakistan.
But the Cold warriors had other designs and Pakistan unwittingly became a pliant power to those designs. Giving up non-alignment would make India also a pliant power. The strategic programming where conditions get created such that the rational choice is the intended outcome of the strategic planners need to be overcome.
ABV had come with a proper formulation of "strong and prosperous Pakistan". When Pakistan is strong enough strategically such that two neighbours can ward off external designs, two democracies shall come together.
Re: rational behind strategic programming to term BJP communal
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 05:39 AM
The strategic architecture with fellow Constitutional democracies need not come at the expense of non-alignment. That would be improper negotiation.
In volume terms China outproduces the next nation by 4 to 5 times. It is also an established inference that bigger the jungle, bigger the animals. The sophistication of China may lag presently, likely to close the gap rapidly with their nex-gen reforms which began just after Olympics.
US needs India to match the volumes and the Constitutional congruity ensures there can be no political paradigm clevages, not even cultural ones. India is a likely long term insurance policy for US.
In any case the Sino-US eco-structure is the most potent common market in the world and shall remain so for long time. To become a parameter in their great tussle is not wisdom and could be catastrophic for India. Better to be factor of stability for both US and China as per the capacity and Indian needs.
Most important, we already have a time tested relationship forged in 1969. Like two Rooks on a Chess board, structural flexibility to cope effectively here is constrained. This historical relationship with tremendous real investement can not be ignored nor undermined unilaterally without have a severe destabilistion effect on secular-left polity within India.
Non-alignment is the only feasible option for India.
Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term BJP communa
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 05:50 AM
The grammer "would have been " suggests that India has already become aligned!
As long as BJP and RSS is called communal by UPA and Left one needs to take anyway that the Centre has a master elsewhere.
Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term BJP com
by AJ Kumar on May 20, 2009 06:44 AM
India is still non-alligned. It is in Strategic Alliance with US as it is the master of Pakistan and better to deal with than supposed leaders of Pakistan.
Nuclear Agreement with US allowed it to receive clearance of IAEA and support of NSG and that was possible only with US support. Today India can do business with any country and never even operationalize the 123 Agreement. This was the point that could not be debated in the Parliament.
India is on the right path and watching its own interests carefully. Sometimes you have to give up a little to gain a lot, and that is effective negotiation. When both parties think that they have achieved the same then it is a win-win situation and is what I call 1 1=11.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term BJP
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 08:04 AM
UPA calls itself secular government and calls BJP/NDA as communal. This is exactly the line taken by Christian Science Monitor, and various foreign intelli of major Christian nations.
By the same yardstick Republican Party in US would be communal and so would be even Conservatives in UK! But only we are communal being non-Christians. And MMS or Congress probably unwittingly or may be willingly collude with those foreign voices to divide and weaken India and empower themselves. This lack of pride in our own culture and lack of guts to accommodate Hindu sensibilities contrary to what these foreign agencies and newspapers hold is basically reducing India to a Dominion Status.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 05:36 PM
Mr. Kumar, Your point about US being a more developed democracy is well taken. In a developing democracy like ours, parties have evolved and we may not get correct perspective to equate Jana Sangha to BJP. Relating Jana Sangha to BJP is ok, but not equating them.
BJP has defined its secularism as equal respect to all religions. Nehruvian paradigm, which he borrowed from western societies which were almost 100 percent Christian then and hardly any social space to non-Christians then, of secluding affairs of the state from Religion.
The fact that BJP lost election is not material here, and I agree with your stance on Gujarat riots and Pilbhit incidents.
Your perception of BJP being an upper caste party may be the concrete reality of today, and even perception of their focus on defending Hindu interests alone would be valid. This requiement is a historical necessity for our religion is under severe stress. Mostly from within to overcome untouchability, caste inequalities, antiquated beliefs, discrimination against women, child marriages etc.. This social modernisation needs to be done also from within and politics can play a crucial role. The position of BJP in many of these matters and association with religion could be somewhat like Christian Democrats of Germany. But BJP has taken care to name itself as Bharatiya and not Hindu.
To deny it secular space is basically subjecting India to machinations which only pleases inimical components in Christian West.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 08:25 AM
As long as BJP's secular credential is not accepted, the needle of suspicion, as Jaswant Singh had openly done in the Parliament with "mole in the Cabinet" shall point directly at the PM.
Yes, "needle of suspicion" this is merely a literary device, but sometimes fiction is more revealing than commonplace reality.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 08:21 AM
Congress should know that the definition of secularism BJP holds is not the same as JL Nehru held, but it is exactly the same definition which our first President Dr Rajendra Prasad held, and this was endorsed by Rajaji, Patel, Tandon amongst other.
This shying away from our foundational legacy and just subscribing to Nehru's personal viewpoint is something JL Nehru would never have advocated.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 05:49 PM
BJP has also a critical role to play in bringing India and Pakistan together. Denying secular space hurts this capability considerably and this is why I brought the intent of foreign intelli who going by the records since 1947 have only systematically engendered systemic divide.
Democracy in Paksitan was derailed post Lahore Yatra. When some local leaders in domestic space do name calling on BJP it is of not much significance. But MMS has deployed the communal card in strategic space and this is unpardonable.
There is a school of thought in Pakistan that only an agreement with BJP which represents bulk of Hindus would be credible. By denying secular space to BJP or Muslim League in Pakistan we preclude any long term social stability in our subcontinent.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 08:07 AM
I consider MMS not as secular but a weakling. He has not been able to uphold the secular and freedom spirit of India by being to fair to people like us.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term
by AJ Kumar on May 20, 2009 12:43 PM
You cannot compare India to US. US is the best democracy and India is the biggest. India needs a long way to go before it can even think of comparing to US.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term
by AJ Kumar on May 20, 2009 12:41 PM
You, being a BJP supporter, are missing the point why BJP lost. From the time of independence Jan Sangh (Now BJP) has always had a confirmed 20-25% vote bank. Today BSP on a similar token has 20-25% confirmed votes. Muslims account for another 20%. Remaining 30-40% voters can go anywhere. BJP (upper Hindu) party has eliminated 40-45% votes by history of exclusivity. If it wants to win elections, it must change its ways otherwise it is hoping to win only by splitting of votes among the other parties.
It made a mistake in demolition of babri masjid, not speaking against Gujarat riots and denouncing Varun Gandhi. It keeps calling India Hindu Desh. When these things are done it is automatic that you are speaking against one community and thus communal. These are the things that it has to abolish and go for inclusive politics. It has to win hearts of all the people and only then it can hope to come to power on its own.
Republican Party may be conservative, its policies are pro industry, but its leaders have never spoken against blacks or other minorities. Blacks are poor and since Democratic Party favours pro-labour policies, blacks tilt towards Democrats. Some people within the Republican Party may be bigots; they are called ultra conservatives and never get invited to campaign nor get tickets for main posts. Democratic Party is moving towards centre; Clinton first started that for Democrats. US politics is based on issues and not on religion.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term BJP
by floatsam on May 20, 2009 07:47 AM
Being commoners, we are not in know of things, Mr. K Subrahmanyam would be and he says we are not non-aligned any more.
Being non-aligned has nothing to do with operationalising the 123 Agreement. Contrary to expression of discomfort by both BJP and Left, whatever published material available indicates that 123 operationalisation would be an honourable thing to do and really good for India. First, it would make our civil nuclear plants much safer and may help obtain critical instrumentations. Getting access to international safety inspection and audits is likely to only help improve systems and install superior processes.
Not operationalising the 123 Agreement would severely dent India's stature and probably also the reach of Indian law in international sphere.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rational behind strategic programming to term
by AJ Kumar on May 20, 2009 08:21 AM
There is a difference between Non-alligned and tilt. India always had US tilt as both are Democracies and Free Enterprise System with some socialism. It was USA which did not want India to deal with USSR and thus India coined the term Non-aligned. Today India can deal with any country and it is acceptable behaviour with US and thus now India is being called US-Aligned. US aligned countries are Australia, Canada, England, Japan etc. who vote along with US on all issues in all the world forums.
I agree that India should put civil plants under IAEA inspection and move forward towards energy freedom. 123 Agreement is only with USA and India now has agreements with other countries as well. It can do business with anybody, including USA, where it gets the best deal.
French companies have been moving forward with Nuclear Energy even after the moratorium in USA after the three mile island accident. French companies are buying plants outside France as well. Today US companies are is a bad shape, furthermore they are reluctant to do a major infrastructure investment in India ever since Enron. Therefore France may offer the best deal.
Dear PM, You have won a thumping victory, congrats to YOU
But from MY side, > I will FEAR everyday to go out for work > I will FEAR to take my Family out for a movie > I will FEAR to take my Kid to a neighbouring park to play > I will FEAR whenever my parents are beloved ones are travelling in a train or a bus
As an Indian citizen, can you help me to come out of FEAR of dying in a Bomb Blast ANYTIME, ANYWHERE? can you provide me a safe India to live in?
But again, How can I keep hopes on you ....
> When you give silly procedural excuses for not hanging a terrorist who even was sentenced by supreme court!!!
> When you give the first right on our country's resources to a community!!!
> When you lose your sleep by seeing sorrows of a terrorist's family, But you have a peaceful sleep when thousands of families lose their loved ones in Bomb Blasts
> When you hesitate to take strong actions against a country that is waging a Proxy War on India!!!
Re: Re: Help to come out of Fear of dying ANYTIME, ANYWHERE in Bo
by deetee on May 20, 2009 07:45 AM
devdutt nayak you are foolhardy or you must have Z security
Re: Help to come out of Fear of dying ANYTIME, ANYWHERE in Bomb B
by Mogumbo on May 19, 2009 09:26 PM
If you are looking for symathy, it is in the dictionary between shiiiiiiiit and syphlis. You are asking for a lot by accusing him as if he alone is running the country. Write to your MP you silly aasssssssssss
Re: Re: Help to come out of Fear of dying ANYTIME, ANYWHERE in Bo
by harish kulkarni on May 19, 2009 09:31 PM
I pity on your knowledge that a local MP can solve the menace of terrorism in the country!!!
Re: Re: Re: Help to come out of Fear of dying ANYTIME, ANYWHERE i
by Ramgarhia on May 19, 2009 09:36 PM
That is proper channel to go. You just cannot go to the PM. He has politicians like Rahul, Lalloo who can be assigned these jobs and held accountable for not doing them properly. Right protocol has to be followed. These days everybody in the world is scared of terrorism. If you are so scared, go live on the tree and eat bananas.
Re: Re: Help to come out of Fear of dying ANYTIME, ANYWHERE in Bo
by antoniopope on May 19, 2009 10:02 PM
MOQUMBO, YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR EVERY THING. ONE QUESTION YOU DIDN'T ANSWER IS DO YOU STILL NEED RESERVATION AND SUBSIDY. INDIANS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL AND WHY ONLY MINORITIES GET ALL THEY WANT AND WHICH IS SUPPOSE TO BE THE BLOOD OF MAJORITY. I KNOW HINDUS ARE VERY EASY GOING, BUT DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE FOR EVER.
Dr. Singh never called himself a politician. He is a very accomplished, proven world level Economist. And that is what he is best at. The petty political trivial things should be left to Rahul. He should be left alone to do what he does best.
Re: Re: Dr. Singh, Leave him alone to do what he does best......
by unknown Indian on May 19, 2009 10:57 PM
antoniope starts resurfacing again with his usuall minority bashing after the great election debacle. Poor soul it is very hot in kerala and his bottom is burning because of both
Re: Dr. Singh, Leave him alone to do what he does best......
by deetee on May 20, 2009 07:47 AM
MMS is very good only on paper. He is a pucca politician who knows which side of the bread is buttered. Kaangress knows how to win elections, but have no clue about governance.
Re: Re: Dr. Singh, Leave him alone to do what he does best......
by vjmm on May 20, 2009 01:19 PM
grapes are always sour my dear deetee when you cant reach it
