National average is 48% i.e 48 out of every eligible 100 cast their votes. Rural average is higher, urban is lower, minority is lower. Inspite of which Congress won...has a lot more than minorities, and the other categories you mentioned. A solid chunk of rural and urban population voted for the congress ... based on the fact that they are tired of NDA's history of communal violence, and tactic of whipping up communal frenzy.
Re: is congress going to hang afzal now.....???
by Vikram Chaturvedi on May 19, 2009 03:58 PM
WEll afzal will hang soon..but right now i understand ur problm ..u ve burnt ur h00les after Roaring congress victory ..so 1 jumbo pack of BURNOL for u . Thx
Re: Re: is congress going to hang afzal now.....???
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 04:02 PM
yaar it tuk just four years to hand assasins of Indira Gandhi One of them not involved in just the planning as is Afzal Guru. Y the delay can u ans this.
Re: Re: Re: is congress going to hang afzal now.....???
by Vikram Chaturvedi on May 19, 2009 04:07 PM
when bjpeewallah were in power 4 more thn 6 yrs thn that time there were 19 cases before president..including rajiv gandhi's assisnation case..why the hell they never tried to hang any one???and now wen they r not in power they want to create nonsense by saying this ..wat a shame.. anyway India has given answer to bjpeewallah i dont wanna give another answer
Re: Re: Re: Re: is congress going to hang afzal now.....???
by abhinav on May 19, 2009 04:15 PM
vikram i can understand u r enthusasm for congi victory.........well i am a poor guy yar...no money to bur burnol........
can u buy one and send it to me........what with thousands of crores in u r swimm account...u can surely buy me atleast a burnol....
Re: Re: Re: Re: is congress going to hang afzal now.....???
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 04:11 PM
y the hell the cong raise this thing. Had they raised thing would have been different. Rajiv Gandhis and Indira Gandhis murders were acts of revenge if you consider and properly go through the details of both the cases. But the attck on Indian parliament is an attack on India itself. U mean to say that Kasab will also not be hanged. What ever. If the people have supported congress thats becoz they wanted stable govt. That does not mean ke they agree on each an everything.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: is congress going to hang afzal now.....???
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:13 PM
these itlalian sh1t charmers never go in detail they just read what itlain mistress tell..
1. Murli manohar Joshi 2. Sushma Swaraj 3. narender modi. 4. Other I will go with Murli Manohar Joshi. He has a clean image with no controversy. Only if jealous co party members allow him to become leader of oppostition. He can be projected as future Prime Ministeral candidate. And they need to work hard on the ground for him now. My opinion What is yours
Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by sam on May 19, 2009 03:50 PM
why not Arun Jaitley.. MMJ is not as articulate or eloquent as Arun Jaitley.. And to counter the Baba Logs and articulate leaders of Cong, BJP needs someone like Jaitley (infact the most eloquent politician in india is Omar Abdullah, wish someone young and good spokesman like him is at the helm of affairs in BJP)
Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 03:52 PM
Arun Jaitley can be a good spokesperson and a good strategist like late Pramod Mahajan. MMJ has the ability a cleeaaaan image to be projected along the lines of Vajpayee. Only if they can start working on his image and popularity now. It will also help them in the key state of UP.
Re: Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Sathish N on May 19, 2009 04:31 PM
Jaitely is definitely a PM material, just need few more years.
Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Vikram Chaturvedi on May 19, 2009 04:00 PM
Murli manhoar is a big lunatic and greedy person he is not fit for running an office of chaprasis , even
Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Red on May 19, 2009 04:40 PM
Varun Gandhi to fight the demented Rahul, sneaky Priyanka and bossy Sonia.
Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Tera Baap on May 19, 2009 03:54 PM
BJP needs to come out of Anti-Muslim Ideology to be in the Parliament Election..i know you and many will object/abuse me for putting BJP as "Anti-Muslim" party but the fact remains the fact..
Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 03:58 PM
then how come it has many muslim leaders latest being Najma Heptulla. Going By that sense Cong should be anti-sikh. Dont say they have made MMS a PM thats y. Even BJP has made a muslim the presidnet
Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 04:00 PM
If u want then read thims
This is 4 all who call BJP communal. 1. If speaking for religion or for rights of religion is communal then they are. 2. If killing people 4m other religion is being communal then congress is also communal. It managred to kill 4000 people in three days that is 15 people in one hour! 3. Ask 4m kashmiri hindus and hindus of assam about the communal character of congress 4. Hindu laws all if u bring one religion under law every religion should be under law or every religion should be given full freedom to make their laws.
BJP made a muslim the president which congress refused to continue with. So guz pure communalism does not exist in India nor pure secularism though. sadly!! Can u ans me this in a civilized way
Re: Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:09 PM
the crux is congi(Itly) knows: How to purchase media throgh transaction abroad with jesu pronoy they highlight issues in a big way they have many with criminal mind to play dirty game
Re: Re: Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 04:14 PM
ya rite. BJP could not ans the people regarding Kandahar and thats y they suffered. Just national security and providing a secure India would have made them cross bounds and leaps Not MMS vs Advani. where advani has no chance.
Re: Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Tera Baap on May 19, 2009 04:12 PM
Amrit, I have heard and attended BJP rallies myself (provoking muslims with abusive comments) so my arguments are not based on random people's comments.. Also, neither I have mentioned anywhere in my post that CONG is clean as a crystal..All politicians are same no matter which party they belong to..But I would rather prefer CONG then BJP. Thats my personal 2 cents on your post.
Re: Re: Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 04:16 PM
even Cong used to make anti sikh comments one if u go through their 1984 campain. Anyway choice is yours. I voted for them coz there should be alternatives govts each five years and their ideas are a bit nationalistic.
Re: Re: Re: Re: wha u think should be alternative to advani
by Srinivas Matnuri on May 19, 2009 08:26 PM
jisko apna baap ka naam nahi pata woh hota hai tera baap
I have seen lost of abusive languages formaly and informaly in this forum. In a discussion, there is no place of indecency irrespective of any political party, ones support. One should be happy on Congress win, but not to an extend, that one should loose his sense. If I am wrong, please correct me.
Re: Re: If I am wrong, please correct me.
by Tera Baap on May 19, 2009 03:48 PM
amit, if you are not happy with indian people's verdict please migrate to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh they will give you full respect..
Re: Re: Re: If I am wrong, please correct me.
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:14 PM
so that these ppl can migrate to india to increase the population of italian sh1t charmers
Re: If I am wrong, please correct me.
by Tera Baap on May 19, 2009 03:43 PM
you are correct 110%..To hell with BJP and all his supporters..if I am wrong please correct me.
Re: Re: Re: Re: If I am wrong, please correct me.
by Asim Mehtani on May 19, 2009 03:57 PM
You please see my language, then you decide. What do you mean by hell. I differ with Congress, but I have never used such type of word against it.
Re: Re: If I am wrong, please correct me.
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 03:56 PM
then you are insulting 18% Indians who voted for them. And also the voters ofr nine states where they have govt. Have heart yaar! People who voted for BJP are bound to be sad. What is rong in that.
friends even the congress sympathisers. There should be a place for alternative. And a place of Indian right not hindutva right quote shekhar Gupta of Indian express Or we will be governed by the will of one party only and especially by thinking and vision of one family!!! So guyz boot out different govts atleast at the centre. so that india can be governed under differnt people. BJP has the undercurrents to become a right wing nationalistic party. BUt they need to throw the policy of hard hindutva and leave that to VHP and others. By becoming nationalistic and honestly following Justice to all and appeasement to none They will surely do better in the coming years. AFter all they have their govt in nine states. And good opposition is necessary for India
Re: alternative
by satya para on May 19, 2009 03:35 PM
Strong Advani is the security GUARD of weak MMS. LK Bal's salary is 3500 rupees per month. Every month 4 burnol free to soothe his burning ......
Re: alternative
by VASUDEVAN V on May 19, 2009 03:42 PM
And just look at what the right of one party has done to us! Congress has ruled us for more than 50 of the 62 years of independence. But, even today they are talking of `Gharibi Hatao'. Every five years they talk of the `aam' aadmi, but the aam aadmi continues to wallow in poverty! For these politicians it is vote bank that is important. Thus you have Muslim Vote bank, Yadav Vote bank, Dalit Vote bank, but no Indian Vote bank. They say Congress won because of its progressive policy. Can some one enlighten me on this progressive policy? Over their last 5 year rule inflation has hit the common man like never before in the past. They say inflation of wholesale price index has fallen below 1%. But, the inflation of consumer price index (which constitutes our day to day commodities like rice, pulses, oil etc.) is 9.75% even today. Congress says they have controlled terrorism. Really? In fact, instead of tackling the real terrorism that is facing the nation, they were busy creating `Hindu' terrorism to appease the minorities. Congress won because the Muslims and Christians voted for them enblock. But, of course Congress is secular whereas all the rest, especially those who talk of the rights of Hindus, are communal. I really fail to understand the type of secularism that is respected in this country. Perhaps it means you have to talk with a forked tongue, better still, be anti-Hindu!
Re: Re: alternative
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 03:47 PM
dont worry yaar. With right attitude they can come to power next time. This is not a massive defeat of BJP. Just 3 % vote loss and 17 seats less. They have got what cong got in 1999.
Re: Re: Re: alternative
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:16 PM
just recall their 1nd1ra amma sitting shatered in one corner after 1975 and in no time came back with over 300 seats
Re: Re: alternative
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 03:37 PM
i voted for bjp coz i wanted a change in the govt. As in the US no party har rules for more than eight years continously so should be in India. But BJP needs to be honest in this """Justice to all and appeasement to none""" This is a good slogan. MMS vs Advani. MMS was going to win. I dont which idiot told them to make it a personality clash.
Re: Re: Re: alternative
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:17 PM
do y know how musch money US has spent in this election just to save the advance given for nuclear deal
The mandate secured by UPA is truly astonishing-what it may mean is that Congress has been able to polarise and secure minority votes for itself as in delhi. Also tacit support to MNS,All crazy mullahs in UP, majlis and Chiranjeevi in AP,illegal bangladeshi's in WB,NC in Kashmir have all contributed to their kitty.
Re: Re: what ails indian people
by vox populi on May 19, 2009 03:27 PM
read the para carefully before talking rubbish-BTW why did Kerala throw out the commies?
Re: what ails indian people
by Ram Sharma on May 19, 2009 03:22 PM
This time unfortunately many Sikhs also seem to hv voted for UPA on communal ground as MMS is a Sikh.
Re: Re: what ails indian people
by sunilchander dwivedi on May 19, 2009 03:28 PM
I totally agree with Ram Sharma that Sikhs and Muslims have voted on communal ground.
Re: Re: what ails indian people
by vox populi on May 19, 2009 03:25 PM
but he addressed three constutencies in punjab and congress candidates lost in all these 3 My take is that BJP was a bit to virulent and MMS projected himself as a wronged and deeply hurt person--but the fact of the matter is that he is yet to win a LS seat!!!
Re: Re: Re: what ails indian people
by Amrit Singh on May 19, 2009 03:27 PM
MMS vs Advani Who do u think is nice and better! Even a bJP supporter will say MMS is a nice and honest person
Re: Re: Re: Re: what ails indian people
by Ram Sharma on May 19, 2009 04:15 PM
It isvery difficult to find an honest person in today's bunch of politiicans. When MP bribing on mass scale was going on, MMS was the PM. What did he do? He was also bargaining with some highly corrupt leaders of other political parties. Had a real honest person like Gandhiji, Shashtriji, Netaji etc been there, he would hv resigned as PM or gone on fast in protest against this.
Re: what ails indian people
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:19 PM
do y know how much US spent in this election to save advance given in swiss account against nuclear deal
Re: what ails indian people
by Tan on May 19, 2009 03:57 PM
This analysis is bogus ... National average is 48% i.e 48 out of every eligible 100 cast their votes. Rural average is higher, urban is lower, minority is lower. Inspite of which Congress won...has a lot more than minorities, and the other categories you mentioned. A solid chunk of rural and urban population voted for the congress ... based on the fact that they are tired of NDA's history of communal violence, and tactic of whipping up communal frenzy.
Re: what ails indian people
by Truth on May 19, 2009 03:43 PM
Dont give bullshit that congress won 205 seats by minorities vote alone?...people are not fools and they want stable and secular govt. dont insult indian voters.
Re: Re: what ails indian people
by Tera Baap on May 19, 2009 03:55 PM
they are saying its verdict of 15% muslims not the verdict of 80% hindus in India..
Re: Re: what ails indian people
by Ram Sharma on May 19, 2009 04:27 PM
When minorities vote en mass on communal ground and H1ndus don't do so, it makes a big difference. Minorities r very much united communally, but majority community is not united communally, most of them r secular.
Re: Re: what ails indian people
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:22 PM
nothing against the verdict but it's a fact that jesu pronoy kept showing that maya or karat may b pm which terorised ppl to polarise votes in favour of more secured party
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Therefore a political deterrant is required to keep any ruling party in line. Why BJP did not win was because they heavily banked upon communal politics. BJP think tank failed to realize that most of the Indian citizens, be them Hindus or Muslims or any other community are not automatic haters of other communities. No one reason for not voting for BJP was that it has created a fear psychosis in the mind of citizens. BJP is synonymous with the hate and riots. No body wants the life of one's own and that of one's nears and dears to be jeopardised because of deleberate political game of the people in power. Almost all the muslims think that their life and property is not safe if BJP comes into power, because of the hate messages given to minority communities. Even though the minoroties also want to have an option of a rival party at national level to vote for, they are afraid to vote for BJP. As the percentage of relegious bigots and hardliners among all citizens, be them Hindus or Muslims, is very less, the Hitleresque posturing of BJP did not pay the dividends it was banking upon. Sometime it is said that most of the people who vote are uneducated and they are easily influenced. The people who bring up such an argument try to imply that if educated people had voted, there would have been more chance of BJP's winning on the hate plank. This assumption doesn't seem right. Continued---
Re: BJP as an option.
by Ram Sharma on May 19, 2009 03:24 PM
It is unfortunate that most Mslims and many Sikhs (bcz MMS is a Sikh) voted for UPA on communal ground. Even Mayawati has said that Mslims did not vote for it.
Why only H1ndus r expected to b secular and others can b communal?
Re: Re: BJP as an option.
by sq kazmi on May 19, 2009 04:03 PM
Mr. Sharma, I believe a lot of muslims would have voted for BJP if they were not afraid for their lives. Surely you do not expect to vote for somebody who threatens your identity and existance. It is not that only Hindus 'have to be' secular. They ARE secular, as are most muslims and sikhs and other communities. hats off to all the people who uphold secular values of respect to the life and property of all decent citizens.
Re: Re: Re: BJP as an option.
by Ram Sharma on May 19, 2009 06:14 PM
As per news reports in Gujrat many Mslims voted for BJP, bcz they don't feel that they r afraid of their lives there. But in other parts of the country, there is propaganda that Mslims r not safe under BJP rule. Do u mean to say that Mslims living in Gujrat, MP, K'taka, Punjab, Uttaranchal, Bihar etc, where BJP is ruling; Mslims r living under fear of their lives?
Mslims in general vote en mass for some candidate on communal ground, unlike most H1ndus. This time many Sikhs also did the same thing due to MMS being Sikh.
Re: Re: BJP as an option.
by Vikram on May 19, 2009 03:44 PM
I don't understand why is it communal ground if Muslims vote for Congress!! It is headed by a Christian. Is it not communal ground when a number of Hindus (thankfully not many) vote for the pseudo-nationalist BJP because it is trying to appease Hindus?
Re: Re: Re: BJP as an option.
by Ram Sharma on May 19, 2009 04:21 PM
Anyone votinf for any party does not become communal. But if some people having same religion, vote en mass for someone on communal lines, it is communal voting. Yes I agree that Cong is headed by a Xtian lady, but MMS has said that Mslims hv the first right to resources. Yes some H1ndus also vote for BJP & Shiv Sena bcz these parties stand for H1ndus and this is also communal. But H1ndus normally don't vote en mass on communal basis. That is the difference.
Re: Re: BJP as an option.
by Tera Baap on May 19, 2009 03:39 PM
People out rightly rejected most communal party on this planet...i would rate LTTE even unbiased and non-communal then BJP..now go and cry with them for another 5 years..
Re: Re: Re: BJP as an option.
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:24 PM
State elections aproching
itlain sh1t charmers pls take care of baba only survivor of itlain family..these partymn always use the bl00d of the family once in doubt...1nd1ra raj1v sanjay
Re: Re: Re: BJP as an option.
by Ram Sharma on May 19, 2009 04:24 PM
We hv parties for Hindus (BJP, Shiv Sena), Sikhs (Akali Dal) and Musl*ms (MIM, Musl*m League etc). Most of other so called 'secular' parties, incl Left, who theoretically don't believe in religion, follow the policy of appeasing communal Musl*ms. They don't support progressive, secular Musl*ms like Taslima, Rushdie, Dr Kalam (he was denied reelection by these parties) etc.
Why should I go cry with BJP? I'm not a blind supporter of any party. But I also hv right to express my views. Then why r u so angry?
Re: BJP as an option.
by sq kazmi on May 19, 2009 03:53 PM
This assumption is not right because the bigots, belonging to any community are a highly motivated lot because of their hatred for the'Other'. Such zealots are not easily influenced or detracted by the heat, fatigue and trouble of standing in queue to vote. So we can safely assume that the hardliners of all communities have already cast their votes. This implies that the percentage of hardliners is so less that they could not influence the result even when almost half the people did not vote.
I believe that BJP is presently the only party which can provide alternative to Congress. Blessed will be the day when we will have a secular BJP, competing on the basis of developmental issues, as a viable alternative to Congress. Then the Congress will also not be so sure of running it's writ unchecked, as it has done many a time in the past.
Hope that one day we will see another viable secular option for central government.
Re: Re: BJP as an option.
by Techno Savvy on May 19, 2009 04:31 PM
Kazmi yesterday I had written very much the same thing on one of these boards. BJP needs to understand that the fundamental reason why it is unable to come back to power is because of its communal agenda & during elections goes all out to validate that perception. The day the top echelons of the BJP radically alter this communal perception by adopting secularism as their plank only then will they be able to offer a credible stake for power. Till then they will be worthy opponents of the Congress and will come off second best always. At this point the only way the BJP can come to power is by hoping that the Congress messes up big time & abandons its core votebank that of the poor & marginalized. This theory of minorities bringing the Congress back to power is bogus as 18% of the population cannot influence the decision of 82% of the electorate. A substantial number of majority votes have come into the Congress kitty.
Re: Strong opposition is necessary
by Truth on May 19, 2009 03:44 PM
Dont give bullshit that congress won 205 seats by minorities vote alone?...people are not fools and they want stable and secular govt. dont insult indian voters.
Re: Re: Strong opposition is necessary
by skm on May 19, 2009 03:55 PM
I believe you are not understand the meaning of strong opposition and just supporting congress as you want
Re: Re: Re: Strong opposition is necessary
by sq kazmi on May 19, 2009 06:22 PM
I agree 100%. Unless there is competition there are bound to be excesses. The all-powerful and monopolies are apt to go astray from the straight and narrow path.
Re: Strong opposition is necessary
by RG on May 19, 2009 04:26 PM
US spent fortune even helicopters just to save advance given in swiss bank against nuclear deal
Dear Soniya Madam,keep your hand on your heart and take the oath before Vatican, that you have own the Parliament Election on majority of voting as per the natural justice, which is more than 50% voting. No, and Congress since last 60 years never received majority votes more than 50% in any Parliament and Assembly election during last sixty years. Therefore you and your congress is not representign majority people of India, further you do not have 2/3 majority to pass any bill in parliment. If you see at micro level all most all your candidates have been elected by getting votes from 35% to 45% because of opposition is devided in three to four four fronts. I suggest that the People Representative Act, must be ammended for 50% more voting for election. Even in the Vatican City it is must to have more than 50% voting for nominating as Saint. This is mokery of Democracy in India.
Re: Congress is not in Natural Majority
by Indian on May 19, 2009 03:13 PM
re borkar, is it? so in karnataka where 19 seats went to bjp for the same reason?
