If there is only one MARD in the whole West Bengal then it is MAMATA BANERJEE who could stood firmly in from of the money and muscle power of CPIM and that Arrogant Budhhadeb. Only Mamata can thorow them into Bay of Bengal. By the way where is that grand old man Jyoti Basu who has pushed Bengal by 50 years back with their 32 years misrule.
Re: Mamata
by Tarak Chatterjee on May 19, 2009 12:03 AM
what's your age ? where hv u done yr education and where r u currently, doing what ? Definitely, u or yr relatives r not in West Bengal - cannot be, u cannot be brought up in a State that is so backward !
Re: Re: Mamata
by SDG on May 19, 2009 01:28 AM
sorry ... Tarak ... you must know that people are brought up even in backward stats also and some of them emerge forward on their own.
YES, JYOTI BASU & HIS MARXIST FRIENDS HAVE PUSHED THE STATE BACKWARD (though can't tell the exat years) from a leading state (in comparison to other states in India) in terms of ECONOMY, INDUSTRY, HEALTH, EDUCATION (though students excel due to in born talent), INFRASTRUCTURE.
Please please remove the Red Curtain from your eyes.
Can u give me an answer why so many Bengali youths (from all classes) today have to stay outside their homeland and spend in Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Maharashtra, Gujrat or even UP for earning?
Re: Re: Re: Mamata
by sabyasachi gangopadhyay on May 19, 2009 08:28 AM
and recently many of those bengali boys and girls were getting jobs in Bengal itself...wat abt them..???and many others would have got a job in Singur...wat abt them...you also remove the TMC curtain....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mamata
by SDG on May 19, 2009 10:08 PM
I don't support the fact that TATA had to leave Singur ... obviously there would be few employments ... but I think State Govt was equally responsible for the episode. Recently where are Bengali boys & girls are getting jobs in WB?? In IT, may be some, but much less as compared with other cities .... and mind that IT cannot be the main source of economy or industry in any state/ country. There we need some real industries and job oportunities. Once (in early 80s) WB was no. 1 State in industry. But after the red misrule and unionism most of the industries are closed or have shifted to other state.
AND THE MAIN PROBLEM TODAY WITH WB PEOPLE (read CPM supportes) THAT OPPOSING LEFT OR CPM'S MISGOVERNANCE is termed as TMC SUPPORTER.
"Aamra 235, Aapnara 30; aapnader kotha shunbo keno?" ("we have 235 seats, but you only have 30; why should we listen to you?") was the reply of arrogant CM Buddhadeb Bhattacharya in the state assembly during a spat with mamata banerjee over Singur issue. So all the recent media outpouring in favor of "bhadralok " (gentleman) CM is just to gloss over his inner being.
After getting a landslide mandate in the last state election, CPM was in cloud nine. Little did the ordinary party rank and file realize that this had happened for three reasons: (i) a massive rigging through electoral roll fraud and booth capturing; (ii) average voter's confusion about reposing faith on a true opposition; and (iii) cross voting between Cong(I) and TMC. The Nandigram and Singur changed all that. Barring BJP, the opposition was united - thanks to Comrade Karat's second 'historic blunder' of tussle with UPA. People saw a real challenge in mamata against CPM. Communists simply took to the job they do best - all around the world; that is terrorize people. In fact, CPM should be banned as a terrorist organization in India. In early eighties, CPM cadres burned 17 ananda margis in broad daylight on Bijan Setu, South Kolkata. No one has ever brought to justice. (Contrast this with CPM going ballistic over Grahan Stein murder.) Why? The party is supreme, it lords over even the High Court. People should ask the question: why should we have such an org called CPM openly abusing the indian constitution?
Re: CPM's misrule: A curse for Bengal (part-3)
by bappaditya on May 19, 2009 12:02 AM
...and Bantala? George Orwell....over and over again? Remember that movie, "Ataonko'(Fear), which perhaps never made it big. How the local goons threatened the school master (after he was witness to a murder by them)---"you have seen nothing of what happened" (aapni toh kichui dekhenni Mastermoshai)
Re: CPM's misrule: A curse for Bengal (part-3)
by Amlan Kundu on May 19, 2009 01:43 AM
Hey Partho: How old were you in 1971? Congressi goons killed thousands of CPM workers throughout West Bengal. 1972 poll was an outrage. Much of village Bengal saw massive rigging by booth capturing. The Congress Government under S. S. Roy then killed thousands of Naxalite prisoners in cold blood under the pretext of 'attempted jail break'. If you are too young to know all these facts, at least watch the movie Calcutta 71 by Mrinal Sen.
My point is not to deny CPM's terror in recent times. CPM did land reform, provided a bit of sustenance and dignity to poor farmers and distributed powers by strengthening Panchayat system. But after 32 years, CPM has become arrogant, corrupt and full of opportunists; and is paying for this. I think they deserve the boot.
However, I request you to be honest; just do not vomit out your propaganda.
Re: Re: CPM's misrule: A curse for Bengal (part-3)
by floatsam on May 19, 2009 08:31 AM
Amlan, Agree with you. Jyoti Basu had done real good work in terms of: 1. Curbing China backed Naxalism which had gone out of hand and was bigger problem than Khalistani. He handled it with strong yet balanced and caring rule; and was able to dissipate it.
2. The dismantling of Jamindari system established by Britishers and restoring land to tillers, all done with minimal violence was a great achievement. This eliminated feudalism in WB, and is still rampant in Bihar and East UP. 3. Industrial flight was due to deliberate policy of Centre, particularly Indira Gandhito curb Communist. She had dismissed first communist govt and throttled CPM govt in WB. PSU investment was denied including in power sector; worst was Freight euqlisation policy which made heavy industry move out of Bengal.
Very few know about how Jyoti Basu went to Mahatma Gandhi in 1946 to seek advice on how to handle Hindu-Muslim partition riots and worked to minimise riots. That is how the goodwill of Muslims was earned; not by minority appeasement; but genuine goodwill.
Jyoti Basu is highly educated person, well versed in law, and respected by educated Indians all over India. When ManMohan Singh was RBI Governor, Indira Gandhi once complained that CM of WB got to know RBI's policy even before she came to know of it! MMS indeed used to hold Jyoti Basu in high esteem.
It is sad that political biases deprive us from getting true measure of the odds faced and work done. It is easy to see failure now.
Re: CPM's misrule: A curse for Bengal (part-3)
by bappaditya on May 18, 2009 11:43 PM
Must say most of what you are saying is interesting. Yes I do remember th days of Ananda Margi and the days when a CPI (M) cadre would not threaten but will let us know that he knows all about my family---the school timings of the kids, the office timings pf the members... one would easily pass it off as 'concern' by them, but when you think about it after sometime....it was 1984 over and over again!
Re: Re: CPM's misrule: A curse for Bengal (part-3)
by floatsam on May 19, 2009 08:40 AM
The Ananda Margis were killed on teh flyover from Gol Park to Dhakuria. Not sure about the number claim here.
The Anand Margis were a strange cult who wore garlands made out of human skulls, yes human skulls, and danced openly on road, defying law. Their tantric powers were feared by most people and even Police dare not touch them. There were articles in papers about this evil practices and need to ban them. But Ananda Margis, an extreme cult thought they had occult powers and were above law.
They repeatedly defied law and finally were killed in broad daylight. Who did it is not known, but they were given political cover by CPM.
All Calcuttans had heaved a sigh of relief then, except this Partho perhaps!
The problem is not with parties, the problem is with the Bengali people and culture. Mamata may get a few jobs here and there in Railways or somewhere, a factory in the Nano site and that's all. The state of the state will remain the same.
Re: CPI(M) or Mamata, choose between the devil and the deep sea
by such jano on May 18, 2009 11:15 PM
on alighter note, except hot women, bengal prodeces nothing...no offense please..
Mamata pledges support and does not ask for any ministerial berth. Karunanidhi wants important (read lucrative) ministerial berths for his family members.
One of the post is that of the environment ministry. We all know that none of the norms with regards to environment gts followed in this country. That itself shows the kind of corruption that is involed in this ministry, which karuna is asking for. On his way to hell, but still wants to make more money.
CPM took a leaf out of ex-east German intel agency Stacy's book.
Local committes were instructed to maintain diaries of neighborhood prominent personalities - their daily habit, their source of income, relatives, associations, difficulties faced, and above all political orientation. The idea is to keep them under CPM's fold. If a person is not pro-left, the easiest option was to put that person in obligation at the time of his/her trouble. Say, the son/daughter is not getting a job or ration card, passport, some legal help, helping to get out of small crime, etc. Most succumbed to this trick, because most do have small infractions with law. if someone doesn't take the bait, then first polite threatening, and still if that didn't work then put pressure through blackmailing.
This applied to most second/third rung leadership of opposition parties (Congress, BJP, TMC, SUCI, etc). Actually, many of the lower level opposition leaders did work as informers for CPM in favor of money or material gains. But strong arm tactics were applied often.
In the recent past, three mid-level TMC leaders were lured for a "pleasure retreat" near diamondharbour by a certain "businessman" (who was actually a CPM agent) with prostitues. At midnight the same agent called police to have the TMC guys arrested under immoral act. Then same CPM leadership got them out of jail with promise to work for CPM under cover within TMC. .......
Re: Mamata pledges support to UPA government
by bappaditya on May 18, 2009 11:47 PM
The problem, I think with BJP, was they were too negative in their campaign. It waqs always ..."the ruling govt was inefficient--mahengi pari sarker!" never found a positive note! What they will do! It was not 'pro -hindutva-I guess it is difficult to define hindutva and therefore be pro hindutva'--its was always a negative campaign against other religions! Glad that people didn lose negativity.
Re: Mamata pledges support to UPA government
by Goutam Purkait on May 18, 2009 10:32 PM
if you dont know Mamata then stop this bull shit. She still leaves in a small house and perhaps holds the least asset and bank balance than any other MP's in parliament.
Re: Re: Mamata pledges support to UPA government
by such jano on May 18, 2009 11:13 PM
"leaves in a small house and perhaps holds the least asset and bank balance" you have to be real stupid to buy these tricks. how do you think they run their party, how they pay salary to the vaste number of caders they have, may be she dont take personally, but all in her party like her, can she fight left without money, blind followers like you very similiar to jehadis who are dangerous for any society.
Re: Re: Mamata pledges support to UPA government
by Anup Dubey on May 18, 2009 10:50 PM
and Mamata will ensure that you and I also start living in a shanty or a slum and wear hawaii chappal to work. What primitive ideology........Be prepared to see Kolkata being turned into a sprawling slum......can't u guys keep pace with the world.
I want to protest a pro musi govt in this otherwise so called 'secular' country.
I want to protest a govt in this country that openly promotes disrespct to hndu faith and conversion of poor hindus.
I want to protest a govt that supports swiss black money accounts.
I want to protest a govt that shells out tax payers money in form of loan subsidy, huz subsidy, loan waiver, rural employment type appeasement policies.
I want to protest a govt that run the most corrupt cabinet in the history of india in last 5 years mainly due to its notorius allies.
I want to protest a govt that orders musi count in indian army to disrespect the Indian army hence playing with national security for votes.
I want to protest a govt that want to give reservation to musies on religious basis planting a new cancer in Indian society.
I want to protest a govt which want to destroy the institutions in the country.
I want to protest a govt that has and want to give musi special religious laws to plant a future taliban in this country.
I want to protest a govt that cares more for illegal bangladesis coming to india than poor indian people living in those areas.
I want to protest a govt that says allh hu akbar is secular and 'jai shri raam' is communal.
I want to protest a govt that says ram is a myth and while a looter babar is more valuable than lord ram.
Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by such jano on May 18, 2009 10:04 PM
Apart from what i said previously.
I want to protest such a pm being reelected, who openly flaunt his pro-musi character, who goes through sleepless night when a musi jehadi is caught abroad, while he gets sound sleep when innocent citizens are killed by same musi jehadis everyday in various part of this country and hndus are being driven away from their homes in certain parts of this country.
I want to protest a pm being reelected who believes the entire national resources (tax money from hndus) should be spent on musis and promoting islamic jehad and rest of the people should pay a price for being so called, majority.
Re: Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by anil shetty on May 18, 2009 10:22 PM
You can protest as much as you want, but it's obvious that the majority of Indians dont agree with you. and that my friend, in a democracy is the only thing that matters. If most of what you said is true, then this govermant wouldnt have been re elected, and that too in such a resounding manner. I think what the majority of Indians 'protested' against was hate mongering and ridicilous mudslinging like you were indulging in.
Re: Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by BabuBisleri on May 18, 2009 10:54 PM
suchjano use burnol to both of ur h0les as congress victory burning u .
Re: Re: Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by such jano on May 18, 2009 11:14 PM
kep few for you dude, nor musies r in power, they will start burning ur anytime now..
Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by Sutapa Acharjee on May 18, 2009 10:42 PM
Such jano, you are entitled to your protests. There were people in US who were protesting having a black minority guy , who is half muslim, being elected a president in a mojority white christian country. And they were entitled to their protests. And then there are those who protest that by doing away with torture Barack Obama is seriously jeopardizing the security of US. Then we have our home grown BJPites who are still in denial. Obviously BJP's trick of wrapping itself in twin flags of national security and Lord Rama did not work. The public saw through it. And once public saw past through these masks, it did not like what it saw. Mumbai is now a Congress bastion, in the heart of Maratha country. You are saying some of the most savvy , patriotic Hindu voters in the country got it wrong? Could it be that BJP has its head so deep in sand that it cannot see reality if it bit them in their posteriors? BJP should ask themselves just one question. Why did their country men threw out the Hindutva plank that BJP was hoping to ride to power. Right after 26/11 when BJP blamed congress for everything it was ruted in delhi and Rajasthan. That should have gotten them thinking. BUt then, like now, they were in denial. Look where it got them.
Re: Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by such jano on May 18, 2009 11:06 PM
BJP lost because of sycophant hindus who did not like a party to carry on pro-hindu policies. It does not mean they were anti-musi. The point here is the problem among we hindus who are self loathing and always looking for false pride such as 'secularism'. No musi in the country can be secular. Apart from this usual hndu stuff, what makes you to beleive congis will rule this country better than bjp, u have to be an insane to assume that. 5 years of NDA rule was a historical thing, why would someone go to polls, boating about its achievement as the NDA did in 2004 election, they are not fool, there must be something that they did that they thought they should take it to public. It did not work because hndus like you are sycophant who still vote for pro musi parties despite seen what they stand for in over 60 years.
Re: Re: Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by Abhimanyu Bhattacharya on May 19, 2009 05:33 AM
I guess India is back to dynasty politics.Rahul Gandhi will soon become our PM(maybe in the next LS elections).Regards West Bengal,the mandate was expected but disheartening.When Jyoti Basu was leader the CPIM did absolutely nothing for the state,and the massacares were as great.Nandigram was preceded by mass expulsions from Kharagpur to gain the land.Yet people voted for the marxists.Manmohan Singh's achievements during 5 years of congress rule was just sitting back and relaxing,signing a nuclear deal which will not leave much of an impact anyway.There was very little news the Government made either constructively or politically,except when making reservations.The Congress says its a pro Muslim party but it has actually done very little for the Muslims.If it really meant to help,it should have gone ahead with pro Muslim reservations and given them land grants and loans just to uplift them.All it does is make promises,leaving the Muslims still the most backward in our country.The SC/ST reseravations are all taken by Hindus.I have studied in an IIT and I have not seen a single Muslim in our batch.It seems the people like nonchalance...when you make a policy you are bound to hurt somebody or the other.Thus the BJP is not there and Buddhadeb will soon be put to rest also.
Re: Re: Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by Sutapa Acharjee on May 18, 2009 11:28 PM
Such jano, you have "such" in your pseudonym, yet you refuse to accept such. If "sychophancy" is the culprit then I guess a vast majority of our fellow country men fall in that category. Do you see the fallacy in your argument? Even in 2004 BJP went to town trumpeting "India shining" and lost. Why? Becasue BJP has illusions of grandeur. It was as out of touch with India then as it is now. Did you notice the sensex today? Even the business community believes that MMS is best qualified to lead this country in an economic crisis. If everything that BJP does goes to naught, could it be that there is something inherently wrong with BJP's policy. Rather than blaming the mirror, shouldn't one examine one's face for flaws? Why is it that the most corrupt, tyrannical, incompetent party in the country (as you call it) , congress trounces the morally pure and high minded BJP. Think about it, and perhaps such will dawn on you. You remind me of those Japanese soldiers on an Island who were still waging the war even after Japan had been routed by the Allies. They were in denial as is BJP now. We would rather take the whole country forward, even the supporters of BJP who are after all our countrymen, but if the BJPites continue to sulk and fret and fume, then I guess they will be dragged kicking and screaming, and that won't be much fun.
Re: Re: Re: Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by such jano on May 18, 2009 11:37 PM
I am firmy convinced that majority of hndus in this country have lost whatever remaining respect they had for their self, all they care is short term quick bucks. The challenge for BJP is to help those come out of their sick 'sicular' mentality and take a step towards bringing those who are better equipped to take the country forward and with honesty. Otherwise we would have rahul as next ruler followed by his son and so on. So while vaste majority of sycophant hindus earn million in this process and depoit in swiss banks, they ultimatly turn the country a inhospitable place for their future hndu generations. You have not yet given me a single reason why BJP a pro-hindu party should not rule this country, compared to pro musi congress.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: whose win is this? what is the verdict?
by Sutapa Acharjee on May 19, 2009 12:34 AM
I am not against BJP rule per se. In fact a strong two party system is good for the country. BUt the two parties have to be viable. And also there are some things that are beyond parties, that are enshrined into the constitution. Things like secularism and the rule of law. If BJP is committed to secularism, I don't see any problem with BJP being in power. They were in power with Atal incharge. BUt he was a moderate who was committed to secularism. The fact of the matter is that BJP by being explcitly pro one religion will cause unnecessary polarization. More pragmatically though by being pro-hindutva it is shooting itself in the foot, as the rest of the country has rejected the Hindutva plank many times over. If we have religious polarization reassert itself, we will go back to the past with religious parties of all kinds and accompanying clashes. That is certainly not the recipe for taking India forward. BJP has to become inclusive and accept what is enshrined in the constitution. Otherwise it will remain in opposition as far as I can see. Realpolitik requires BJP to introspect and change its ways.
CPM's recent electoral dabacle notwithstanding, the real trouble the party faced was in early nineties - when the ex-USSR collapsed along with east European communist regimes. Then the skeletons tumbled out of the cupboards of these communist countries. It became public how East germany and Romanian dictators caused crimes against humanity in the name of social equality.
Then, over night, all moral backing, all lofty left ideas evaporated. CPM was really at a loss to keep its cadre-flock together. Within India BJP was a rising sun. Across the border China was going gung-ho with capatalist ideas. That was CPM wanted to follow. But the duplicity had to be covered up with some logistical changes. pro-american newspaper ABP was at CPM's tail for a long time, and CITU tried to cause trouble by instigating ABP's workers union. Current CM met Aveek Sarkar (ABP's head) and cut a deal. The deal was stuck: CPM will take hands off ABP, and ABP in return will oppose BJP at the national level, but to show its neutrality it would oppose left only at the local/state level. Such deals were cut with other media as well, perhaps except Bartaman.
But within the indian democracy, a party can lose power thru election which is not the case in China. So CPM corrupted the electoral system - buy up would be presiding officers, insert own people in election management, voter fraud, delete voters names, etc. But to keep the hungry goonda cadres some jobs are needed: hence "Industrialization".
So, the results are out and it is exact opposite to what this blog predicted. It is a major win for congress, in every state and every part of country. All other major alliances are decisively defeated. Congress says it is a vote for development and for its crown prince Rahul Gandhi. He did revive congress in UP as promised.
Still my biggest sympathy is with BJP, which is the party I voted for. A nationalist party. It is a loss of face for BJP. But friends, There are times in history of a nation when all seem lost and looks like wrong forces have won the final battle. But dear friends, it is just a process, which goes on and on. 5 years may be significant time period in life of a man, but in life of a nation (that too a nation like India) is just a flickr of eye.
The time after defeat is not for grief and blame-game. It is the time to introspect and start preparing to come out as winner in next battle.
Though hopes are shattered and nightmares are prevailing, the dawn will surely come. It is not the first black day of Indian history, we survived and fought back. Let us do that again.
Re: Hopes Shattered
by theindialover on May 18, 2009 09:41 PM
I still do not believe BJP lost. It is a clear Congress win. Not Rahul Gandi's.
People voted out the regional parties. They have clearly voted two parties. BJP and congress. Glad to see two party syatem is coming up.
Congress lietrally took all the vote share of Mayavati, Mulayam, Laloo , Paswan, Jayalalitha, Naidu, Chiranjeevi etc.
BJP couldn't do this, as they lost their common agenda for Hindus.
Mr. Advani with all due respect must resign and pave way for younger generation. BJP need more leaders as it started with. Modi is a great choice.
It's very easy to beat congress, as congress won by luck or at the expense of other parties like SP, BSP, LJP, RJD etc...
BJP votes were never splitted. BJP's failure is mainly attributed to it's inability to raise issues like Ram Sethu, or Mumbai terror or anything which Hindu like to hear about.
Even when a hiNdu sanyasini woman got abused, BJP didn't make it an election issue.
Now in effect BJP is all same as congress. So people rather elected congress that's all.
Show hwo different you are. To whom you are standing for? get some media help.
Re: Re: Hopes Shattered
by nai on May 18, 2009 09:45 PM
I agree with you theindialover. BJP should know that they stand for indian culture and indian vedic history. If they abandon Lord Ram they will not be any different from pseudo seculars.
i want to clarify here that being devotional to Lord Ram is not communal. Hindutva means secularism. vasudeva kutumbikam. entire world is single family. this term communalism and secularism has come up after the advent of sectarian religions. In sanatana dharma there is no communalism. it is equal for everyone.
Re: Re: Re: Hopes Shattered
by Loan Shark on May 18, 2009 10:16 PM
Lord Ram is not BJP's property and tehy should stop treating it that way .... the h1ndus, yes the h1ndus, have rejected BJP and BJP leadership should stop taking h1ndu votes for granted
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hopes Shattered
by such jano on May 18, 2009 11:09 PM
we are talking about hndu votes, not about people who are borne hndu but preactise islam secretly, like you, perhaps, if you not one who practise openly.
Re: Hopes Shattered
by menda vijaya on May 18, 2009 09:45 PM
God Bless Mamata. She did it. Well, she was a candidate from Congress. Trinamool is really trinamool for the country. I wish her all the best .But she must show good governance.Nothing short of it. Excuses are not excused.
