Sir, congress has won,but congress itself does not know why have they won.If you ask them they will tell you so many abstract things(because they will not like to tell you the appeasement etc and the real work done for those appeased).But that all is trash.BJp has lost.Frankly no body know why BJp has lost.All the arguments given in the article are after the results and you can mould them to reflect on the defeat of BJP.I hope you all know that Sh CHidambaram had lost by 3000 votes.Counting had been done by computer not manually.Manually it was not possible as voing was in dematerialised state.Counting can never never go wrong.But recounting was done and Chidambaram jee won by a margin of 3500 votes. This means there was a big mistake of six thousand five hundred votes ,a counting mistake ,that too in electronic counting. So if there is mistake in one seat, the same should be in most of the 540 seats deserving recounting. Recounting may prove DHOODH KAA DHOODH AUR PAANI KAA PAANI.It is very difficult to digest unbelievable victory of Congress and defeat of BJP.
Re: The things told in the article are not very practical.
by sameer bhagat on May 19, 2009 12:56 PM
ur a sore loser ... go drink ur milk in the corner !!
Re: The things told in the article are not very practical.
by nikesh dange on May 19, 2009 12:42 PM
Mr. Ramesh Anand you and all the the BJP fanatics over here are totally ignorant, foolish and senseless. The same EVM were used in the state of Gujrat, MP, Chhatisgarg, Karnataka, Jarkhand where the BJP faired well. So according to you were they manipulated by the BJP goons. What about the assembly elections in the state of Gujrat, MP, cHHTISGARG which took place a year ago where the same EVMs were used. Were the results manipulated over there. Please accept defeat gracefully and dont show your ignorance over here.
Re: The things told in the article are not very practical.
by nikesh dange on May 19, 2009 12:42 PM
Mr. Ramesh Anand you and all the the BJP fanatics over here are totally ignorant, foolish and senseless. The same EVM were used in the state of Gujrat, MP, Chhatisgarg, Karnataka, Jarkhand where the BJP faired well. So according to you were they manipulated by the BJP goons. What about the assembly elections in the state of Gujrat, MP, cHHTISGARG which took place a year ago where the same EVMs were used. Were the results manipulated over there. Please accept defeat gracefully and dont show your ignorance over here.
Re: The things told in the article are not very practical.
by nikesh dange on May 19, 2009 12:42 PM
Mr. Ramesh Anand you and all the the BJP fanatics over here are totally ignorant, foolish and senseless. The same EVM were used in the state of Gujrat, MP, Chhatisgarg, Karnataka, Jarkhand where the BJP faired well. So according to you were they manipulated by the BJP goons. What about the assembly elections in the state of Gujrat, MP, cHHTISGARG which took place a year ago where the same EVMs were used. Were the results manipulated over there. Please accept defeat gracefully and dont show your ignorance over here.
Re: Re: The things told in the article are not very practical.
by john thomas on May 20, 2009 05:15 PM
We did not have that dracula Navin Chawla as CEC when the previous elections happened. They must have been clean. This time the frauds were perpetrated.
Re: Re: The things told in the article are not very practical.
by john thomas on May 20, 2009 05:12 PM
Anybody accepting defeat gracefully is an idiot. That means you went out there expecting to lose in the first place. Then why bother competing?
Re: Re: Re: The things told in the article are not very practica
by rajesh damodara on May 23, 2009 02:36 PM
I am no fan of BJP and its goons, but for a change the guy has a point. The whole of tamil nadu was expecting Chiddu to lose, especially after the youth who were deined student loans by the banks in Sivaganga turned against him, and agrrssively campaigned for opposition ....
most of UPA's extra seats have come at the expense of left,third,fourth front and not NDA.
If the left,third,fourth front recovers in next election,congress will be doomed again. Left,laloo,mulayam,maya,amma ,paswan, pawar are all fuming and waiting for the right time to exact revenge. currently they are prostating in front of congress because they have no choice,but in next election they will leave no stone unturned to bury the congress.
BJP should build intelligent alliances and sit back and watch Left,laloo,mulayam,maya,amma ,paswan, pawar destroy the congress.
1. Bengal's 'Potibartan Hobey' stuff sank leftists and benefited UPA.It had nothing to do with secular/communal or rahul/sonia. UPA, thansk to Mamta gained 20 seats.
2.In andhra PRP was the spoiler as he ate into the anti-establisgment vote ,by projecting himself as a alternative to congress in state. this appealed to some opposition voters and played into the hands of congress. congress gained 10 seats purely by opposition disunity.again no secular/communal or rahul/sonia issue.
3.In Maharashtra MNS was the spoiler as he ate into the SS-BJP vote ,by projecting himself as a alternative to SS in state. this appealed to some SS voters and played into the hands of congress. congress gained 9 seats purely by opposition disunity.again no secular/communal or rahul/sonia issue.
4.In Tamilnadu Vijaykanths party was the spoiler as he ate into the anti-establisgment vote ,by projecting himself as a alternative to DMK/AIADMK in state. this appealed to some opposition voters and played into the hands of UPA. His party got 9% vote. UPA gained 12 seats purely by opposition disunity.again no secular/communal or rahul/sonia issue.
so UPA won around 50 seats either because of lefts woes or new spoiler parties. there was no rahul/sonia wave here.
real shock for NDA was in MP,Rajasthan, where they expected to do better. otherwise NDA has lost only 13 seats as compared to last time.
most of UPA's extra seats have come at the expense of left,third,fourth front.
Re: real reason for NDA Defeat
by jay b on May 19, 2009 03:27 AM
EVM hacking to strengthen weak vote banks in certain states could be one reason. Two slaps to those involved and you can get the truth out.
Re: real reason for NDA Defeat
by rajendrahegde Hegde on May 19, 2009 04:18 PM
Bhejafry UR analysis looks to be very near to truth. Yes in UP also Congress gained because of opposition unity and Muslims shifting to congress besides utter failure of Maya to retain the good will of dalits and other neo supports of social Engineering. For NDA trusted allies like naveen Patnayak also ditched in the last minute. Yes for every ambitious politician self interest is more important than national interest. BJP also should act intelligenly to attract votes of all comminities and needs to move to centrist ideology.
Well, what the BJP and SS needs right now is to project the youth in their cadre. Just because LKA is a good orator (as is NM) does not mean that they project a good image.
I admire some of the thought process of BJP, but the NDA desparately needs fresh n young blood to take it ahead. Also, they must have a rethink on the planks on which they fight elections. What works in Gujarat, need not work elsewhere.
In Maharashtra, no one (NDA) took MNS seriously, but Raj Thakare quietly went about building his organization with youth. He wisely used local issues when canvassing instead of harping on hindu swarajya which has become stale due to overuse.
The NDA needs to understand that HINDU means all citizens of India and not any community per se. Rabid hatred (by so called hindus and muslims) will never attract voters anymore.
Whichever party promises (and honestly works on achieving what they promised) will get elected. Honest efforts also are as important as results. In a country like India, no government can address all issues/problems in 5 years, but they certainly can work on the most critical and set about resolving them.
The new government faces serious issues like rising prices of essential goods, infrastructural chaos, rampant corruption (in public as well as the private sector), extremely steep tax rates etc.
Let them address tyhe most critical issues first, show measurable progress and then they can claim that they are doing what they promised.
In 2009 election, there was missing link to counter Mr. Rahul Gandhi. It was Mr. Promod Mahajan, who charmed every one. BJP could not filled up that vaccum of Mr. Mahajan.
Re: Shock & awe
by Ajay Bansal on May 19, 2009 09:11 PM
The problem is Congress youth leaders are below 45, whereas BJP youth leaders are mostly above 55, what can we do??? the only youth leader we have Varun Gandhi behaves like a goonda leader, no mass appeal..
Re: BJP need to change... Convert.....
by Fluffy Kumar on May 19, 2009 12:04 AM
I have a job and I am not converted! What does it mean?
Simple fact is- BJP is cleverly linked with only Ayodhya issue by congress goondas, and that scared the muzlims and sickular Hindus (of course, the rice bag converts know their jesus is through congress only).
Dismantle BJP, form a new party under a new name- Call the new party the 'Democratic party', as in USA, and put a young good looking guy as the head.
advani and modi should take responibility for sinking the bjp , by their immature and un imaginative poll campaign.
modi addressed over 300 rallies - 80 in gujarat and over 200 outside gujarat. all he spoke was of - GUDIYA BUDIYA , AFZAL GURU AND MMS IS WEAK PM. in the previous elections in 2004 he only spoke of MIAN MUSHARRAF. the voters of india are mature and intelligent and will not be convinced by such immature talk from senior leaders. if mr modi wanted to entertain the crowd he could have got jhony lever or paresh rawal to the stage.
advani in most of his speeches only spoke of MMS being a weak PM and black money is swiss banks.
the common man is worried about his job , earnings, health care , education etc and not bothered by BUDIYA GUDIYA and least bothered about afzal guru. most of them even dont know what is black money and where is switzerland and to think this was advanis main plank. whenever advani spoke about terrorism and national security , it boomeranged on him as his record as HM and Dpty PM , in this regard is pathetic.
and lastly to have sudheendra kulkarni as the media advisor/ spokesman was equally pathetic.
on the other hand the campaign of priyanka and rahul gandhi was mature and touched on all the good policies of the congress. whether implemented or not , atleast they could convey the congress policies much better than advani and modi.
modi and advani should learn a lot from rahul and priyanka though they would loathe to admit.
Re: Advani & Modi sank the BJP
by marthandan on May 18, 2009 01:52 PM
FAILURE OF BJP IN ELECTION IS DUE TO THIS
1)CONGRESS ENSURED MANY REGIONAL NEW OUTWITS TO BE PROMOTED TO SPLIT THE VOTES AGAINST ANTI INCUMBENCIES- EXAMPLE VIJYAKANTH IN T N,RAJ THAKERAY IN MARATHA CHIRANJIVI IN A P,IN ASSAM ALSO. THIS HELPED OPPOSITION PARTIES VOTES TO BE DIVIDED.EACH ELECTION ABOVE SMALLER PARTIES WILL BE GIVEN RS 100-THEY ARE HAPPY TO SPLIT THE VOTES. 2)BJP PROJECTED OLD MAN ADVANI WHO IS NOT LIKED BY EVEN HINDUS FOR REASON UNKNOWN ALTHOUGH HE MAY BE HONEST.BJP DO NOT HAVE ANY YOUNG LEADERS. 3)DURING CONGRESS PERIOD OF INDRA GANDHI MANY COMMUNUAL RIOTS USED TO TAKE PLACE BUT STILL CONGRESS WON BECOUSE OF INDRA GANDHIS POPULARITY.BJP HAS NO SUCH BIG LEADER AFTER VAJPAYEE. 4)PERSONAL ATTACKS,TOO MUCH CONFIDENCE AND ARROGANCE SPEECH WILL NOT PAY DIVIDENT. ADVANI ATTACKED MAN MOHAN AS WEAK P M AND MODI WAS CUTTING JOKE ON HIM- HE CAN TELL ONE TIME NOT REPEATEDLY. 5)CONGRESS/DMK MONEY POWER,FREEBEES,WORK OUT IN FAVOUR OF THEM.DUE TO INCREASE OF CHRISTIANS POPULATIONS IN INDIA DUE TO CONVERSION PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH INDIA A P, T N,MAHARASTRA,KARNATAKA,KERALA,ORISS THEIR VOTES PLUS MUSLIMS VOTES GAVE A CLEAN VICTORY TO CONGRESS. 6)HINDUS ARE NOT UNITED AS THEY ARE SEPERATED BY CASTE SYSTEM AND PARTICULARLY BRAHMINS IN U P SUPPORTED CONGRESS IN FULL MAJORITY. 7) BJP MUST INDUCE NEW LEADERSHIP,NEW SETUP WITH GROSS ROOT LEVEL CHANGES AND THEIR PUBLICITY MEDIA IS VERY POOR AND INFIGHTING AMONG THEIR LEADERS.
Re: Advani & Modi sank the BJP
by antonio on May 18, 2009 03:00 PM
Some 100 years ago, Swami Vivekanad asked Missionaries why they not dare venture into Muslim areas for conversion, abuse of I!slam as they do to Hindu areas. Same question is valid today.”
