I am amazed to listen these things? We common man know what matters.don't blame varun or Modi.70,000 crore loan waver to the farming society done the damage.i know alot of BJP supporters in my village gave vote to congress this time for this reason saying that it is the return back time to congress.The rule of Vajpayee had done the damage .Upto that people were thinking some thing different will be done by BJP.Once they tasted that they know the real test.If now it is modi or varun then what happened in 2004?Neglect the poor.you will get the reply.How can a farmer forget Congress if he gets 10000 to 1 lakh benifit from loan waiver.Rich people hardly go to vote .they talk much and their headcount too less then farming section.Be wise mate.
Re: are these people wise?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:28 PM
samar mohanty, the Congis did not bring frunds from Italy to pay the poor farmers. They utilized tax-payer's money to promote their party. Every Scheme of the Govt of India is named after one member or other of Nehru-Gandhi family. Some illiterate villagers even think that Mrs. Indira Gandhi is still alive as they have been given houses under "Indira Avaz Yojana"! The Congis have been successful in f00ling the illiterate masses of our Country for a long. That does not mean that they are epitome of virtue.
Re: Re: are these people wise?
by prabhat mohanty on May 17, 2009 11:52 PM
- You are right. Political parties don't bring in money from their pocket to create developmental fund.
Do you think BJP spent their own money when they splashed thousand crore India Shining campaign ? Or matter of fact all those big hoardings on the highways with Vajpayee's face?
Loan Waver Programme, Rural Job Guarantee Scheme and RTI surely had direct impact on the poor's daily lives and helped redistribute the equity.
Re: Re: Re: are these people wise?
by Krishna S Santosh on May 18, 2009 04:23 AM
Did congress spend personal money then ??? Before you point out check what you are doing...
Re: Re: Re: are these people wise?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:57 PM
I do not support BJP. When even our Comrades who were talking about "Class-struggle" are now into "Caste-struggle" what can we expect from other Political parties??
Re: Re: Re: are these people wise?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:58 PM
So there is no need to give credit for the Congis for such schemes. It is the responsibility of the Govt. Have you seen George Bush taking credit for providing "Black-settlements" in New York??
Re: Re: Re: Re: are these people wise?
by Khaled AlWaleed on May 18, 2009 01:02 AM
Ok. So you mean that we should credit BJP for those schemes? You are a top class Idiot.
George Bush does not have anything worth taking credit for.
It is ridiculous on the part of Sharad Yadav to accuse Varun or Modi, when the truth is that it is the crooked congress-christist moneybags which have defeated BJP.
I see many people repeatedly assert that BJP is communal. I also find it strange that BJP does not deny the assertion by the opponents. But, I don't find anything communal with BJP. Infact, to me, Conparty is the most communal. Can someone (who believes that BJP is communal) please come out with what actions of the BJP are communal. On my part, I think the CONPARTY is most communal because: a) It allows - overtly or covertly - illegal immigrants from the neighboring countries; b) It always looks at muslims as a votebank; after 60 years of independence - mostly ruled by CONPARTY - muslims are now being recognised as backward and deserving reservations. c) Haj subsidy; Certainly State intrusion in religious affairs; d) Reversal of Shah Bano judgment; and endless other things.
Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by jawed on May 17, 2009 11:01 PM
Obviously a Brahmin like you can never find a fault with BJP ..which is actually Brahmin Janata Party - People who have divided India and spread hatred . Vajpayee , Murli Manaohar joshi , Sushsma Swaraj , Arun Jaitley , late Pramod Mahajan , Brajesh Mishra , Sudheendra Kulkarni , Tarun Vijay have one thing in common .. they all are Brahmins and want a Govt for the Brahmins , by the Brahmins and of the Brahmins .. They are no more than 5 % in terms of population ..but how do they control India .. they do that by dividing society ... Brahmins dominate the polity , bureaucracy and will do anything to hold on to their vice like grip . I have a lot of love and respect for fair minded Brahmins but at the same time - they need to understand that this message of hate cannot fool all the people all the time
Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by subramanyasastry hoskote on May 17, 2009 11:11 PM
I find even police officers scared to enter a locality dominated by musl. Please be honest to your self and say that you are being victimised. If u r poor, it is because you are induced to breed beyond your means. Nobody else can be responsible for that.
Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:31 PM
subramanyasastry hoskote, two Police constables were lynched at Bhivandi in Maharashtra during their agitation against construction of a Police Station near a grave-yard. SP MP Abu Azmi was barred from entering Bhivandi by the Courts.
Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by subramanyasastry hoskote on May 17, 2009 11:09 PM
My post got deleted. Anyway, I am blaming the CONPARTY led by the Italia n and not the minorities.
Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by jawed on May 17, 2009 11:14 PM
I agree with you that Congress has failed on many fronts .. its a lousy party .. and like any other Indian I am also not very comfortable with the dynasty rule .. but no one can doubt the integrity , intellect and competence of MMS . He has not divided society along caste and religion lines ...unlike his counterpart Advani who has blood on his hands .
Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by subramanyasastry hoskote on May 17, 2009 11:08 PM
I never blamed muslims in my post. I do not know what makes u blame brahmins. I am a brahmin by birth as u can see from my name. But, I am not practising it. I think there is no surviving brahmin who practices what is expected of him.
My grievance is against the CONPARTY led by the italian origin person and not the muslims or minorities. They never asked for reservation and infact rejected initially when Y samuel R Reddy proposed in AP. You are being taken for a ride by the CONPARTY. Ultimately, those belonging to ur community (obviously misguided by the clergy) could be wreaking havoc in the country. But I blame the Communal CONPARTY for that and not minorities. Anyway you did not answer my query!
Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by Govindan on May 17, 2009 11:13 PM
It is you people who are succumbing to the 'hate brahmins' campaign by the selfish and wicked pseudo-secularists and christists, who want to convert you all to their worthless desert religions.I am not a brahmin, but I have not seen or heard any brahmin spread hatred like you are doing now, and christists and 'secularists' keep doing all the time.
Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by Dinagar Raja on May 17, 2009 11:19 PM
The stone which dashes christians will break.e.g see RSS SS MNS RAM SENA BAGRING DALL
Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:25 PM
Missionary activity is like an ideological war. It is quite systematic, motivated and directed. It can even represent a blitzkreig using media, money, people and public shows to appeal to the masses in an emotional way. Missionary activity is about a reliigious effort towards world conquest that is quite happy to put an end to other reliigious traditions - that looks to establish one particular reliigion for all human beings, in which diversity of human reliigions is discredited and forgotten." ( Ref: David Frawley - "The Ethics of Religious Conversions" ) They reach remote areas to work among tribals. In the name of service, they convert Hiindus. They do not hesitate to even resort to violence if their work is hampered. The recent gruesome murder of the 84-year old Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati is a classic example which was organized by a Retd. Christian IAS Radhakanta Nayak who is head of World Vision. Church paid Maoists for eliminating the Swami.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>i also thrown stones at prayer meeting ...........I have never thrown stone at prayer meeting. One husband-w1fe team of Jehova's Witness had come to my door-step a few months back. I did not abuse even them. They are still coming to one family in our Building where incidently one Shiv Sena Leader also resides. If I tell him about the purpose of their visit, they will never dare to come again but I have not done even that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by Dinagar Raja on May 17, 2009 11:58 PM
do yo know christ raises from dead.so judgement day is near on that day every one want to stand.ALSO NOTE THIS POINT 'OUR BODY WILL DIES AND GOES TO MUD BUT OUR SPRIT DOES NOT DIES'
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by Dinagar Raja on May 17, 2009 11:39 PM
remember JGN i was also same as you ,i also thrown stones at prayer meeting ,i hate those people.Today see JGN ,I ALSO WITH THEM .I BELIEVE YOU ALSO WITH US ONE DAY [GOD WHO MEET ME WILL ALSO MEET U]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:44 PM
>>>>>>BECAUSE YOU ARE UNKNOWN ABOUT TRUE.............try to bluff the illiterate tribals/dalits of Orissa or MP. Don't show your face on Rediff. So far as I know DEATH IS THE END. NOTHING SURVIVES DEATH. WHAT EVER HAPPENS TO YOU WILL HAPPEN TO NON-BELIEVER LIKE ME ALSO.
Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:06 PM
jawed, the Sunnis are blasting Shiias in Saudi Arabia. Are there any "brahmins" there? How long you will survive by playing victimhood card??
Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by Govindan on May 17, 2009 11:19 PM
These desert religionists have always been an oppressive majority and a turbulent minority.
Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by jawed on May 17, 2009 11:27 PM
Very poor attempt of diverting the issue that is being discussed . To get into any discussion - one has to be intellectual honest - an attribute that you clearly do not possess ..
Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:32 PM
jawed, in India you are blaming the brahmins. Whom can you blame in Saudi following your RE1igion of piece for the past 1400 years? When two sects of the same Re1igion cannot tolerate each other, how will you tolerate any one else??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:10 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shia / Sunni live more than peacefully in Saudi (15 % Shia) ...............a Shiia cannot become a Re1igious teacher in Saudi. Are you aware of this? The Shiias have now demanded a separate country in Saudi as they are unable to hear the perscution by the majority Sunnis. Go and bluff some one who does not have any knowledge about other Re1igions and Countries.
Almost every alternate day the Shiias are blasted in Iraq (especially at Karbala).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by jawed on May 17, 2009 11:43 PM
JGN : There is no dearth of crooks in this world ..some happen to be intellectual crooks who try to mislead people .. FYI - The word Shia /sunni does not find mention in Quran .. Sunni/ shias go to the same Kaaba for pilgrimage .. noone questions them which country , caste . creed they belong to when they reach Mecca for Hajj .. FYI .. Shia / Sunni live more than peacefully in Saudi (15 % Shia) , Bahrain (50 % Shia ) , Lebanon (30 % Shia ) .. obviously a morally and intellectually dishonest peson like you cann differentiate between isolated politically motivated clashes between Shias and Sunnis .. So let me simplilfy it for you . Medicine is a great branch .. most doctors happen to be good ..but they are some who also indulge in kidney selling .. in that case you blame the doctors and not the branch of Medicine ..
Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by jawed on May 17, 2009 11:33 PM
@ JGN : Very poor attempt of diverting the issue that is being discussed . To get into any discussion - one has to be intellectual honest - an attribute that you clearly do not possess .. A person who deliberately misquotes verses from Holy Quran .. thinking he will be able to misguide people obviously can stoop to any level .. It was for people like probbaly that this verse is very apt :
"They intend to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will complete His light even though the disbelievers hate (it)" The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 61, Verse 8.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:35 PM
jawed, if you are intellectual enough, go and debate with Ali Sina or Robert Spencer. Ali Sina has offered US$ 1,00,000 for any one who can prove him wrong. Go to the web of Faith Freedom International.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by jawed on May 17, 2009 11:52 PM
JGN : Unlike you I do not need to rely on someone else's intelligence or blog to form an opinion . I would rather read the books myself ..and I have read the Quran ..
Just in case you did not know - anyone can open a website and publish anything there .. Ali Sinais bluff has been exposed by many Muslin scholars .
"...If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And (likewise) if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind" The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 5, Verse 32.
"They intend to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will complete His light even though the disbelievers hate (it)" The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 61, Verse 8.
"There is no compulsion in religion. The right path has indeed become distinct from the wrong. So whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All Hearing, All Knowing" The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 2, Verese 256.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what makes you brand BJP as communal?
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:07 AM
jawed, your Koran is a silly book not even worth discussing. So I do not want to discuss anything on that subject.
It not Varun who is wholly responsible for BJP led NDA's debacle. It is a combination of infighting in the BJP, secular media hounding BJP incessantly on trivial matters, flip-flops done by BJP leaders and concentrating on non-existent issues that led to this dismal showing by BJP led NDA. Time for BJP to pull thier socks, introspect, and take hard decisions that will make it a force to reckon with in 2014 elections. One of the biggest failures the BJP had in this election was a lack of leader who was articulate, assertive, and aggressive. Also, BJP needs to start cultivating friends with the powerful, foreign funded Indian media mainly the English ones and also start its own media outlet to counter the propaganda dished out by entities such as NDTV, CNN-IBN. Go BJP go.....the country needs you. You are a worthy alternative to the Congress's Dynastic politics.
Re: Blame game
by Vijayalakshmi on May 17, 2009 11:02 PM
With a hostile media and hostile pseuo-secular parties,all funded by satanic crosstian financiers, there is no scope for BJP's voice to be heard, and reach the common man. So BJP must have its own news channel, atleast in hindi, to start with.They say they do not have the funds for it, but if the party makes an earnest effort, the funds will come pouring in.
Varun won the elections to become the first time MP. People did not reject him in the very constitutency where he made the allegedly inflammatory comments. Likewise, Modi delivered Gujarat to BJP before but people just did not buy the image of Advani as PM. The blame is to be put omn hyenas in the BJP who were openly fighting during the campaign and lost contact with people.
Re: Utter nonsense
by Vishy on May 17, 2009 11:35 PM
Varun has won with a margin of over 2.5lakh votes!If people did not support him, how did he get that much?
Re: Utter nonsense
by Govindan on May 17, 2009 11:23 PM
That is neither true, nor fair.It is only crosstian financiers who funded the congies, because they have their own conversion agenda,which is supported by the 'alien'.
Re: Utter nonsense
by Lal Popat on May 17, 2009 08:31 PM
Modi led 200 rallies outside of Gujarat. Do you think he did not turn a lot of people away from BJP.
The only reason Cong did so well in UP is because of Varun. Even BJPs allies like JD have acknowledged that.
These two characters can only abuse and criticize Sonia/MMS/minorities and dont have any brains to talk about real issues.
If Modi is the PMs candidate in 2014 then BJPs numbers will be in dbl digits.
Re: Re: Utter nonsense
by Govindan on May 17, 2009 11:28 PM
This is the legacy that congress has given to the people by its 'divide and rule' politics.It is their false propaganda and the cunningness of the so-called minorities that has polarised the people of this country.
Re: Modi/Varun
by sunil sirohi on May 18, 2009 12:02 AM
It is not true. -It was mis-use of media by congress which led to this !! -If Varun was culprit, do you think legal courts would have let him off? -Secondly, media just aired the portions of Advaniji blasting off MMS, where were the other agendas likie IT vision, Black-money issue etc.spoken by Advaniji during the rallies? -
Re: Re: Re: bjp doomeed
by Rohit Rao on May 17, 2009 08:05 PM
IT IS TIME U BJP CHAMCHAS FACE THE REALITY AND TELL UR PARTY TO FOCUS ON A POSITIVE CAMPAIGNINING IN NEXT ELECTION.HATE POLITICS AND NEGATIVE PERSONAL ATTACKS WONT BRING IN VOTES.JAI HO
Re: bjp doomeed
by Vishy on May 17, 2009 09:15 PM
Secularism is a much misunderstood and misused word in India.It has become a pro-minority and anti-hindu word.The so-called minorities do not want equality, but supremacy.It is the majority community which is being discriminated against. A whole lot of pro-minority measures taken by the Congress-led UPA Govt, like education and business loan at 3% interest for 'minorities' and 12-15% interest for the majority community is grossly discriminatory against the hindus. So also the development of muslim-majority areas and hefty scholarships to the so-called minorities.
