Quoting from: "Calicut: The City of Truth Revisited by Prof. M.G.S. Narayanan"
As mentioned above, when the fear of humiliation and conversion to 1slam gripped him, the king reportedly set fire to the powder magazine with his own hand. This happened on 27th April, corresponding to 14th of Medam, 941 ME (1766 AD) on Chitra day. The blowing up of the fort was symbolic of the end of Zamorin’s rule of Calicut which had lasted for more than 600 years. The Capital city from where his ancestors had marched out “to die, ki11 and conquer” was no more the same.
Thus the last ruler of the dynasty which treated 1slam with dignity and promoted the Mappila interests in Malabar, perished due to the attack of a Musliim aggressor from Mysore. It goes to the credit of the Mapplia community that during three decades of Mysore occupation under Hyder Ali and Tippu Sultan, they refused,, with a few exceptions like the Ali Rajas of Cannanore,to join hands with the invaders inspite of appeals in the name of religiion.
Re: @ Khaled AlWaleed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:53 AM
This Book is a Students Edition published by The University of Calicut costing just Rs. 100/- Read the same if you can.
Re: Re: @ Khaled AlWaleed
by jawed on May 18, 2009 01:51 AM
And the great professor Prof. M.G.S. Narayanan is well know for being an RSS sympathiser like you . check India Today - title Ace writers call each other communal .M.G.S Narayanan, noted historian with Hindutva sympathies at a meeting organised by the RSS-backed Balagokulam made many controversial statements .
Why would anyone want to waste 100 bucks reading an author is bias is well known and well established .. I have been to Seringapatnam and the hindus there hold Tipu in high esteem ... but i want to keep it balanced .. no one he is saying that Tipu was a saint .. he did what a ruler had to do serve the interests of his empire
Re: Re: Re: @ Khaled AlWaleed
by jawed on May 18, 2009 01:53 AM
And the great professor Prof. M.G.S. Narayanan is well know for being an RSS sympathiser like you . check India Today - title Ace writers call each other communal . Quote from India Today M.G.S Narayanan, noted historian with Hindutva sympathies at a meeting organised by the RSS-backed Balagokulam made many controversial statements . Unquote Why would anyone want to waste 100 bucks reading an author is bias is well known and well established .. I have been to Seringapatnam and the hindus there hold Tipu in high esteem ... but i want to keep it balanced .. no one he is saying that Tipu was a saint .. he did what a ruler had to do serve the interests of his empire
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Khaled AlWaleed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 10:27 AM
jawed, you are good at telling half-truths. I reproduce below the article referred by you for all to read and understand:
Can accepting awards from a communal organisation makes one communal? This not-so- new debate has sprung again in Kerala's cultural world. The issue was triggered (re-triggered in fact) by Paul Zacharia, Malayalam's master story teller who has been waging a shrill campaign for long against what he sees the "growing alliance between prominent cultural figures and Hindutva forces". Speaking at a cultural conference held in Kozhikode, Zacharia lambasted Kerala's cultural icons like the late novelist and cartoonist O.V. Vijayan, veteran poet Akkitham and the late poet Kunjunni for having accepted honours from Hindutva organisations. He even charged that they had also maintained sympathy to the saffron cause. "These persons are portrayed as our role models. But aren't they very dangerous role models? " asked Zacharia. He slammed those who had remained silent when Vijayan -who was his closest friend- accepted an award from a pro-Hindutva organisation but made much noise when poet and novelist Kamaladas joined Islam.
Zacharia also took to task the Left Democratic Front (LDF) government for recently bestowing Akkitham with the state's highest literary award, the Ezhuthassan Puraskar. "By honouring him the government has honoured his communal ideology. Ironically, the Left which physically takes on the communal forces in Kannur showers flowers on writers wh
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Khaled AlWaleed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 10:28 AM
Con'td: Zacharia also took to task the Left Democratic Front (LDF) government for recently bestowing Akkitham with the state's highest literary award, the Ezhuthassan Puraskar. "By honouring him the government has honoured his communal ideology. Ironically, the Left which physically takes on the communal forces in Kannur showers flowers on writers who practice and preach communalism" said he. Zacharia said that if at all a fascist was to be honoured for his literary skills, it should be done by opposing his fascist ideology. While he criticised Culture Minister M.A. Baby, also present at the meeting, for honouring Akkitham without criticising his alleged communalism, Zacharia praised Chief Minister V.S. Achuthanandan for saying that everything was not right with Akkitham. "Unfortunately these communalists happen to be acceptable for both the Left and Right" lamented the writer.
It was Dr V. Rajakrishnan, prominent literary critic and no friend of Hindutva who took on Zacharia at the same venue. Rajakrishnan said it was preposterous to charge anyone communalist for having accepted awards from organisations with alleged communal ideology. "Vijayan has never supported Hindutva ideology in his life. How can one call him communal for having accepted an award?" asked Rajakrishnan.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Khaled AlWaleed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 10:29 AM
Cont'd Sniping at Zacharia for his recent articles defending Abdul Nasser Madani, the controversial Muslim cleric and leader of the Peoples Democratic Party, Rajakrishnan asked; "Would you call Akkitham a secularist, had he accepted the award from Madani ? It is wrong to call someone communal just because he occasionally praises Hindu religion".
After Rajakrishnan finished his speech, Zacharia once again took mike to reiterate his charges. "When one tries to expose communalism, Rajakrishnan resorts to the usual strategy to create a smoke screen and trivialise the issue".
Next day M.G.S Narayanan, noted historian with Hindutva sympathies joined issue with Zacharia calling him also "rabidly communal". At a meeting organised by the RSS-backed Balagokulam, Narayanan said it was sheer arrogance and ignorance that have prompted Zacharia to call the three pious cultural figures dangerous. "They have not hurt even an ant in their lives. But Zacharia has no issue with those who roam around with bombs". Narayan charged that Zacharia had exposed his own communal germs when he criticized Mata Amrithananda Mayi followed by his attack on Swami Vivekananda.
Re: Re: Re: @ Khaled AlWaleed
by Krishna S Santosh on May 18, 2009 04:13 AM
It is a fact that Moghuls ruined India... Whether it is pointed out by RSS or not... What do you know about RSS ? I cannot expect any patriotism in you...
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ Khaled AlWaleed
by jawed on May 18, 2009 05:02 AM
True ..you can only expect patriotism from RSS collobrators who hobnobbed with Britishers .. atleast Tipu took the bullets on his chest .. What did RSS during Independence Struggle ?? I will tell you the answer : they divided societies and spread hatred so that they continue with Brahmin hegemony
Musli ms are poor because they are bree ding more children without adequate finances; Musli ms are backward because many of them cannot afford good education; Musli ms get easily provoked because they have stopped thinking with their own intellect; It is a scare to go thru a musli m dominated area even if you are a police officer on duty; Most of you believe that your Q book asks you to kill non-musli ms and to ignore the birth place; CONPARTY LED BY THE ITALIA N is the most communal party because of: a) It allows - overtly or covertly - illegal immigrants from the neighboring countries; b) It always looks at muslims as a votebank; after 60 years of independence - mostly ruled by CONPARTY - muslims are now being recognised as backward and deserving reservations. c) Haj subsidy; Certainly State intrusion in religious affairs; d) Reversal of Shah Bano judgment; e) The brazen declaration by the PM - obviously at the direction of his foreign born boss - that muslims have the first right. PLEASE NOTE THAT IT IS DIFFERENT FROM EQUAL RIGHTS; f) The PM's admission that he lost sleep even when a genuinely secular Australian Govt. arrested a musli m on suspected charges of terror; f) Keep watching tamasha when musli ms in Srinagar have ethnically cleansed that area; g) Amarnath yatra pilgrim facilities denial; and endless other things.
I want someone here to contest my assertion that the CONPARTY is more communal than BJP. Rather BJP is not communal at all;
Re: Re: BJP has lost the election; So please be honest now;
by subramanyasastry hoskote on May 18, 2009 12:32 AM
BJP has lost the election and I am not sorry for that more than CONPARTY winning.
Re: Re: BJP has lost the election; So please be honest now;
by subramanyasastry hoskote on May 18, 2009 12:31 AM
This is a live example of how communal CONPARTY has poisoned you. Did I say one word against the minorities?
Re: Re: Re: Re: BJP has lost the election; So please be honest no
by Krishna S Santosh on May 18, 2009 04:14 AM
If you have sense and guts reply to him properly...
@Subramanyasastry : These guys dont know anything about Patriotism... No use talking to them.. Educate the public (villagers) about the situation and the need to vote for BJP in the next elections...
Re: BJP has lost the election; So please be honest now;
by jawed on May 18, 2009 05:11 AM
I can understand the frustration and paranoia of Brahmin supremacists like you after the election results .. after all Brahmin Janata Party (Vajpayee , Murli Manaohar joshi , Sushsma Swaraj , Arun Jaitley , late Pramod Mahajan , Brajesh Mishra , Sudheendra Kulkarni , Tarun Vijay all Brahims) has just got the shock of their lives ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shia / Sunni live more than peacefully in Saudi (15 % Shia) ...............a Shiia cannot become a Re1igious teacher in Saudi. Are you aware of this? The Shiias have now demanded a separate country in Saudi as they are unable to hear the perscution by the majority Sunnis. Go and bluff some one who does not have any knowledge about other Re1igions and Countries.
Almost every alternate day the Shiias are blasted in Iraq (especially at Karbala).
Re: Re: @ jawed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:32 AM
Khaled AlWaleed, I read The Dwan, Karachi every day. I know about the happenings in Pakistan and other West Asian countries.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ jawed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:46 AM
Khaled AlWaleed, bluffer, The Dawn is a News Paper established by none other than Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Go and bluff some one else. I am talking about daily news paper reports and not some "blog".
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ jawed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:55 AM
Khaled AlWaleed, you are really a b0rn idi0t. You cannot even understand small typo errors. No use debating m0r0ns like you.
Re: @ jawed
by jawed on May 18, 2009 12:27 AM
How old are you JGN ??? Can't you differentiate between Religion and Politics ??Are you a kid ?? How many blasts were happening in Karbala before US invasion ?? Can you not understand a basic fact that the word shia or sunni does not exist in Quran ?? Is this that difficult for you to understand when people jockey for power - there will be crooks who will indulge in violence ?? And in politics - dirty things happen over which common people have no say ..
Go to Dammam ..an area dominated by shias in Saudi .. Shias have their own imams there .. There is jockeying for poltical power between Shias and Sunnis ..but it has nothing to do with Religion .. So let me simplilfy it for you . Medicine is a great branch .. most doctors happen to be good ..but they are some who also indulge in kidney selling .. in that case you blame the doctors and not the branch of Medicine .. I cannot bluff someone like you who keeps bluffing himself everyday ..pretending to be what he is not ..quoting out of context verses from Quran and when he gets exposed ..he says he does not want to discuss it ..because he finds it "silly"
Re: Re: @ jawed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:32 AM
jawed, if you are serious enough, search for "The Skeptics Annotated B1ble" for category-wise verses like "absurdities, contradictions, hatred, good-stuff, etc" from The B1ble (both Old Testament and New Testament), The Koran and The Book of Mormon and understand for yourslef. I do not want to waste my time copying & pasting here.
And remember, you are debating with an Atheist. Atheists are not ignorant f00ls. We have knowledge about many re1igions.
Btw pl go and tell the Sunnis blasting Shiias about what has been written in The Koran. No use telling me. There are 72 sects in 1slam (Dawoodi Bohras are considered as half-muslims only by others). Ahmediyas are not considered as even Mus1ims!!!! First amalgamate them all into one Re1igion before teaching kaf1rs like me.
Re: Re: Re: @ jawed
by jawed on May 18, 2009 12:45 AM
Unlike you I do not rely one someone else's intelligence and blog to form an opinion .. I read the book myself and form my own opinion .. BTW Another Self Goal by you - There is only one Q_uran .. BuY a Q_uran from US , Australia , South Africa ..and you will not find an iota of difference .. There is just one version of the Quran . For Mus_lims - Quran is the final word ..and words like Shia , Sunni , Dawoodi , Ahmediya do not even exist in Quran .. Open your mind and gain maturity in thinking so that you can differentiate between Politics and religion
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ jawed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 10:31 AM
jawed, tell all these things to the members of those 72 sects. I am least bothered about the same.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ jawed
by jawed on May 18, 2009 01:07 AM
JGN : Without reading the Quran - refrain from making statements that you do not know enough about .
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ jawed
by jawed on May 18, 2009 01:04 AM
Another "assumption" by JGN based on dubious websites .
So let me read out relevant portion of Prophe_ts last sermon .. you can check yourself as well :
"O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to. You know that every Muslim is the brother of another Muslim. YOU ARE ALL EQUAL. NOBODY HAS SUPERIORITY OVER OTHER EXCEPT BY PIETY AND GOOD ACTION. Remember, one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness after I am gone" . To your other point regarding multiple sects :
"As for those who divide Their religion and break up Into sects, thou hast No part in them in the least: Their affair is with Allah: He will in the end Tell them the truth Of all that they did." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 6, Verse 159
Re: Re: Re: @ jawed
by jawed on May 18, 2009 12:43 AM
Unlike you I do not rely one someone else's intelligence and blog to form an opinion .. I read the book myself and form my own opinion .. BTW Another Self Goal by you - There is only one Quran .. BuY a Quran from US , Australia , South Africa ..and you will not find an iota of difference .. There is just one version of the Quran . For Muslims - Quran is the final word ..and words like Shia , Sunni , Dawoodi , Ahmediya do not even exist in Quran ..
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ jawed
by JGN on May 18, 2009 11:17 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For Mus1ims - Quran is the final word ..and words like Shia , Sunni , Dawoodi , Ahmediya do not even exist in Quran ...............go and tell the members of all those 72 Sects. I am least bothered about that.
everybody has right to go into sanyas and aekant. Now pseudos dont be overtly happy. If you are indians at all you will be happy to reflect that a party like bjp might not be able to come to power but has been successful in bending indian politics for the plank of development. Concede that. Jungle raj is gone for good thanks to opposition like NDA. Remember it was advani who stood like a good samaritan on the eve of 26/11 and said bravely that they will not exploit the issue of terrorism for the electoral purpose and will work with the ruling party for rooting out terrorism. You need to recognise these things. Pseudo media completely owned by comm-i-e-s and ch-r-ch-e-s covers your mind and doen't allow you to be gracious even in the event of victory. thats sad.
India is a Secular Democractic country not because the Mus1ims or Christiians want it to be so but the H1ndus want it to be a "Secular Democratic Country". So stop abusing H1ndus. The founding fathers of our Constitution were all H1ndus. If they wanted, our Country would have been a H1ndu Country in 1947 itself. Thank them for making it a Secular Country despite the animosites of Partition.
Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:54 PM
Blufer, where did I say so? Why do you want to drag brahmins into every discussion? Our Counry was ruled for nearly 900 years before independence by the 1slamic invaders and European Crhistiian colonizers. What were the "Brahmins" supposed to do at that time???
Re: Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by Khaled AlWaleed on May 18, 2009 12:00 AM
They created the Caste system.. sat at home and enjoyed while all the others did slavery for them.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:04 AM
Who created Caste system? It is the contribution of 1slamic invaders and European colonizers. Go to the web of "Vanjaras" of Maharashtra and understand for yourself how a prosperous community was converted into a "criminal trible" by the Britishers. They had made even Marathas lower castes for fighting against them.
Tippu Sultan had made "Nairs", one of the prominent upper-caste community of Kerala "lower castes" during his occupation of Malabar for about 30 years. He had to restore their right after relentless fights. Untimately Tippu had to run away from Palghat never to return till his death at the hands of Britishers.
Btw Caste system exists in 1slam and X'tianity also. Search web for details (don't tell me that there are no castes in 1slam and X'tianity - I know the facts)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:19 AM
Khaled AlWaleed, I have studied in a reputed University and not in some Mad_rassa. Tippu did not rule Kerala but only some parts of Malabar. He had made "Nairs" lower castes by a decree.
Tippu was an upstart. His father Hyder Ali was just the chieftain of the Mysore Kings. The Nizam of Hyderabad had refused to give his dau_ghter in marriage to Tippu due that. Tippu was fighting with even the Nizams of Hyderabad. Go and bluff some one who does not have any knowledge about history.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:26 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hyder Ali Tipu Sultan rule was never 30 years...................instead of bluffing why can't you correct me? I am ready to correct myself if I am wrong.
Re: Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by jawed on May 18, 2009 12:34 AM
Why is that the Vedas could only be read by Brahmins ..How many non brahmin priests do you have in temples ?? How many non Brahmins are part of temple trust ?? Why did Ambedkar and his followers challenge Brahmin supremacy and chose to renounce Hinduism ?
Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by jawed on May 17, 2009 11:48 PM
"Hindu Bashing" in happening only your own tormented mind ..and when you say Hindu ..you actually mean Brahmins here .. Anyone who spreads hatred ..against any community should be put behind the bars ..There is no place for any hate speech in a country as diverse as India
Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by Krishna S Santosh on May 18, 2009 04:21 AM
Hahah.. just because you guys are in minority we hear such phrases like "No place for hate speech"... Once you cross the 30% limit then I dont see u guys saying it... Inherently intolerant and afraid of loosing, you tend to turn violent... Cuz there are so many flaws in the religion you follow... But u dont want to hear them and correct it...
Re: Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by jawed on May 18, 2009 12:05 AM
So be it .. I repeat anyone who speaks against any community should be put behind the bars but it should not be give a communal colour .. Where are Muslim leaders like Syed Shahahubuddin of Babri Masjid fame.. They are totally isolated in the Muslim community ..Bukhari was another agent and Muslims have called his bluff .. He asked Muslims to vote against Congress ...look what happened .. But look where Modis . Advanis and Varuns are ? They have been turned into heroes ..
Re: Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by jawed on May 18, 2009 12:07 AM
So be it .. I repeat anyone who speaks against any community should be put behind the bars but it should not be give a communal colour .. Where are Musli_m leaders like Syed Shahahubuddin of Bbri Masjid fame.. They are totally isolated in the Musli_m community ..Bukhari was another agent and Muslim_s have called his bluff .. He asked Mus_lims to vote against Congress ...look what happened .. But look where Modis . Advanis and Varuns are ? They have been turned into heroes ..
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by JGN on May 18, 2009 12:12 AM
What about Abu Azmi? He was responsible in engineering riots in Bhivandi. He delcared wealth of Rs. 4 crores in 2004 and in 2009 he has declared wealth of 122 crores. I really do not know how a person can increase his wealth from 4 crores to 122 crores in 5 years.
Re: Re: @ All H1ndu bashers
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:55 PM
Then why the Kashmiri separatists who even burnt Indian Flag openly were not put behind bars? Why Geelani who talks about imposition of Shariah in Kashmir is still enjoying Z-plus security at tax-payer's expenses??
try to give the employment oppertunities,health care facilties,education to the poor ,labour class,farmer while these people can't provide their chidren higher education like medical,engineering ,MBA ,MCA or other profesional higher studies.They can't get a loan from Bank since bank officials are also denying loan to these people.They can't get appropriate health care if they will be suffered by deseases like heart dease,Kidney deseas etc.Every thing is set for rich only.But congress tried to help farmer directly by giving loan waiver. In vajpayee time they tried to sell even profit making PSU.These emplyee were threatened.Government employee' strike were suppressed by threatning.Will these people give vote to BJP?Watch Jaylalit case.How she is not getting vote. try to identify te real reason.While these people were giving vote at the peak time communal hatredness why not now?
Re: Re: Re: who cares BJP is communal or not?
by sam on May 18, 2009 01:54 AM
Teesta Seetalwad.. Teesta Seetalwad.. Teesta Seetalwad.. Teesta Seetalwad..
I am amazed to listen these things? We common man know what matters.don't blame varun or Modi.70,000 crore loan waver to the farming society done the damage.i know alot of BJP supporters in my village gave vote to congress this time for this reason saying that it is the return back time to congress.The rule of Vajpayee had done the damage .Upto that people were thinking some thing different will be done by BJP.Once they tasted that they know the real test.If now it is modi or varun then what happened in 2004?Neglect the poor.you will get the reply.How can a farmer forget Congress if he gets 10000 to 1 lakh benifit from loan waiver.Rich people hardly go to vote .they talk much and their headcount too less then farming section.Be wise mate.
Re: are these people wise?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:28 PM
samar mohanty, the Congis did not bring frunds from Italy to pay the poor farmers. They utilized tax-payer's money to promote their party. Every Scheme of the Govt of India is named after one member or other of Nehru-Gandhi family. Some illiterate villagers even think that Mrs. Indira Gandhi is still alive as they have been given houses under "Indira Avaz Yojana"! The Congis have been successful in f00ling the illiterate masses of our Country for a long. That does not mean that they are epitome of virtue.
Re: Re: are these people wise?
by prabhat mohanty on May 17, 2009 11:52 PM
- You are right. Political parties don't bring in money from their pocket to create developmental fund.
Do you think BJP spent their own money when they splashed thousand crore India Shining campaign ? Or matter of fact all those big hoardings on the highways with Vajpayee's face?
Loan Waver Programme, Rural Job Guarantee Scheme and RTI surely had direct impact on the poor's daily lives and helped redistribute the equity.
Re: Re: Re: are these people wise?
by Krishna S Santosh on May 18, 2009 04:23 AM
Did congress spend personal money then ??? Before you point out check what you are doing...
Re: Re: Re: are these people wise?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:57 PM
I do not support BJP. When even our Comrades who were talking about "Class-struggle" are now into "Caste-struggle" what can we expect from other Political parties??
Re: Re: Re: are these people wise?
by JGN on May 17, 2009 11:58 PM
So there is no need to give credit for the Congis for such schemes. It is the responsibility of the Govt. Have you seen George Bush taking credit for providing "Black-settlements" in New York??
Re: Re: Re: Re: are these people wise?
by Khaled AlWaleed on May 18, 2009 01:02 AM
Ok. So you mean that we should credit BJP for those schemes? You are a top class Idiot.
George Bush does not have anything worth taking credit for.
