can any body tell me what is the ideology of bjp for which uma says she also has the same ideology? if it is hindutva than why so hue and cry for demolition of babri maszid.
Re: ideology?
by Ramanath Babu on May 04, 2009 01:46 PM
BJP ideology on REligion is appeasement to none and equality to all.
Yes, Hindus want Ram Temple to be constructed in Ayodhya, the birth place of Lord Sree Ram. But no one wanted to destry the structure existed there and forcily construct a temple. The structure was udner dispute for a long time and after Rajiv Gandhi unlocked the gate, there were attempts from both the communities to sort out the issues, either through a court of law or through negotiation.
BJP decided to mobilise the people as a show of strength to the authorities and see the writings on the wall. Howver, the arrest of ADvanini made people so angry that the Kar sevaks, on the spur of the momentm brought down the years old disputed structure to dust in no time.
Re: Re: ideology?
by raj on May 04, 2009 01:57 PM
the ideology of bjp is uniform civil code.....according to which all the people are equal. hoe many political parties in india has dare ti accept this equality
Re: Re: Re: ideology?
by lalu kumar on May 04, 2009 05:05 PM
why they did not do this when they were in power or they never did it to be in power. if they were so particular they should not have accepted power hen till uniform civil code is applied.
To those who think that Babri demolition is a symbol of Hindu's reverence towards Ram, are all mistaken. If not Babri, something else in some other form was always waiting to happen. For this the root cause is the pseudo secular and appeasement policies of yrs of Congress rule in our country. And this anger was only encashed by the right wing parties like BJP. In order to stay in power, the Congress has a long history of short cuts and appeasement policies... 1. Cong presided over the communal partition of Hindustan and then in order to create a vote bank here, allowed a partial partition, that created a deep grouse towards the minorities. 3. Let Kashmir become a bone of contention during the partition thro art 370. 2. Controversial deaths of Shastri and Sanjay Gandhi. 4.Enabled a P.O.K. after winning wars in Pak. 5.Resorted to emergency just to stick to power. 6. Enabled Bangladeshi infiltration over last 60 yrs to create a vote bank compromising national security. 7. Encouraged extremists in Punjab and Tamilnadu( LTTE ) with any eye to vote banks, and then fell victim to the same thro Indira/Rajiv assasinations. 8. Passed the M_uslim Personal Bill to please fundamentalists, when faced with the Shah Bano judgement. This was the beginning of the growth of BJP. 9. When M_uslim bill was opposed by H_indus, it allowed Shilanyas in the Babri site, and this was grabbed by BJP for Ram temple. So very clearly the Cong is responsible for these divides in India.
Re: Babri Masjid..a symptom of a bigger disease..
by Malay Barua on May 04, 2009 01:47 PM
I commpletely agree with it. It is congress which has destroyed the true democratic caracter of India. Today congress is a dynystic party.You minus Sonia, Rahul, the congress will fall flat. This dynastism had been started by none other than Nehru, when he made Indira as it's President. Why we have so many political party? Because Cogress had not given the people of different state their due share. What we see in the congress hierarchy are all stooge of Sonia or Rahul. Those who have back bone of thier own, have left the congress. Congress have failed to produce regional leader of the likes of Lalu, Mulayum, Mayabati etc, etc. If V.P. Singh whould have been accomodated, he may not left congress and there had not been any Mandal fiasco. If Mamata had been in congress than today left may not been rulling Bengal. So may example can be give. The leader (congress ) revolted against the Ghandi & Nehru family, they have been ousted. This also applicable to the Bose brothers, Sarat Bose & Shubas Bose, Chataranjan Das, Shama Prasad Mukerjee(who founded "Baratiya Jana Sang"and so many like of P.M.Sagma, Sarad Pawar,Karuna Karan. So do not vote to congress.
Is modi targetting religions ? If advani wants vote from minorities let him answer question. Is he Anti-Christ Element? Is BJP and RSS is Anti-Christ element? Is its patriotism user friendly? From Past 60 year’s people suspect and have prejudice on BJP and RSS are Anti-Christ and Anti-Gandhi and Anti-Social Elements and seek explanation. What kind of patriotism do they project? Is it Recent following events witnessed? 1. Attack on Christians in Assam 2. Attack on Muslims 3. Anti Ambedkar Elements 4. Anti Social Elements 5. Anti Basavanna Elements 6. Attack on women If Mr. advani becomes PM will his Government prove peoples friendly government? If advani wants vote from minorities let him answer question. Is he Anti-Christ Element? if yes vote for Congress and UPA which are people’s friendly government (Providing help creating hope serving all)
Re: Re: Elect one who accepts all
by ramamurthy narayanaswamy on May 04, 2009 02:30 PM
stop the non sense.... what hari says is true... let BJP, (B)advani and Modi answer these questions......
Is modi targetting religions ? If advani wants vote from minorities let him answer question. Is he Anti-Christ Element? Is BJP and RSS is Anti-Christ element? Is its patriotism user friendly? From Past 60 year’s people suspect and have prejudice on BJP and RSS are Anti-Christ and Anti-Gandhi and Anti-Social Elements and seek explanation. What kind of patriotism do they project? Is it Recent following events witnessed? 1. Attack on Christians in Assam 2. Attack on Muslims 3. Anti Ambedkar Elements 4. Anti Social Elements 5. Anti Basavanna Elements 6. Attack on women If Mr. advani becomes PM will his Government prove peoples friendly government? If advani wants vote from minorities let him answer question. Is he Anti-Christ Element? if yes vote for Congress and UPA which are people’s friendly government (Providing help creating hope serving all)
Re: !
by Ram Sharma on May 04, 2009 01:04 PM
Mohd Abu, Idols are not the only things we worship! We also worship rivers, mountains, animals, cows, trees, plants, humans, etc etc.
All these have made us much better human beings than the beastly izlamis who are unfit for the present day civilisation and have no hope of improvement in the future as well.
We have been receiving the wrath of your ala since 1026 -when your ancestor first plundered Somnath. So there is nothing new about the threat. Only this time the civilised world is going to join hands to exterminate izlam from the face of this earth so that the rest can live in peace.
I am biggest supporter of BJP but I was never in favour of demolisihng Mosque. People like Uma Bharati & Kalyan Singh are the biggest culprits & should be put behind the bars.
Re: Biggest Culprits
by Ramanath Babu on May 04, 2009 01:01 PM
Nandkumarji,
What isobvious is that the Kar sevaks gatehred at Ayodhya to perform Kar Seva for the Ram Temple. BJP wanted to utilize this opportunity to show of its strength by united Hindus under one umbrella. Beyond that there is was sinister plan as such. But once the Kar sevaks gathered there, and the country started boiling with the arrest of Advaniji, an escalated crowed pulled down the structure. When crowd of such magnitude assemble at a palce, it is out of question to control them.
Anyhow, whatever has happened is good for the country. Although, none of the BJP leaders wanted to pull down the structure, when it happened, they must have heaved a sigh of relief like scores of other Hindus. Not good to have taken law into their hands, but at the same time good to have get rid of the disputed structure once for all!
Re: Biggest Culprits
by Ramanath Babu on May 04, 2009 01:01 PM
Nandkumarji,
What isobvious is that the Kar sevaks gatehred at Ayodhya to perform Kar Seva for the Ram Temple. BJP wanted to utilize this opportunity to show of its strength by united Hindus under one umbrella. Beyond that there is was sinister plan as such. But once the Kar sevaks gathered there, and the country started boiling with the arrest of Advaniji, an escalated crowed pulled down the structure. When crowd of such magnitude assemble at a palce, it is out of question to control them.
Anyhow, whatever has happened is good for the country. Although, none of the BJP leaders wanted to pull down the structure, when it happened, they must have heaved a sigh of relief like scores of other Hindus. Not good to have taken law into their hands, but at the same time good to have get rid of the disputed structure once for all!
Re: Re: Biggest Culprits
by santosh nayak on May 04, 2009 01:27 PM
Actually centuries back Babri Mosque was a Ram Temple, So peaple Karsevaks did right thing to vacated the place to for "Bhavya Ram Mandir" nothing wrong in it. As nobody was performing namaz at that place for a long period.
Re: Biggest Culprits
by Prashant Mardolkar on May 04, 2009 12:58 PM
What do this people think? all indians are fools. Everyone of them knew. How could they build Ram mandir without demolishing mosque, if so they would have done it long back. cowards all these BJP and RSS walas, if left to them, they will claim UP and MP as Bharat and rule it to their lifes worth.
Re: Re: Biggest Culprits
by Ramanath Babu on May 04, 2009 01:16 PM
Mr. Mardolkar, the Maratha,
Have you already converted to christianity without changing your name or is just under their influence right now?
Marathas were great, fighting for the cause of Hindus. It is strange that few of you have become ardent fans of Italian mafia. It was because of Dr. Subramaniam Swamay and former President Mr. Kalam that India was saved from the foreign rule five years ago. But the shameless lady and her supporters claimed it was one of the greatest sacrifices on this century!
If you want I can send you the copy of petition that Swmay filed before the then Present Dr. Kalam.
Re: Re: Biggest Culprits
by raj on May 04, 2009 01:46 PM
mardolkar..people like are not fit to live in india...u better go to pak .taliban is waiting 4 u
Though I am strong supporter of Hinduism and BJP, I am aghast at the cowardice bring displayed by some of the persons who were associated with the highly justifed demolition of the babri masjid.
Why are they saying we did not know about it?
Is it because of the elections or fear of izlami reprisal?
Come on , declare you did the right thing and will further complete the task by making the Ram mandir at that spot very soon!
Re: Fear is the key!
by ramamurthy narayanaswamy on May 04, 2009 02:35 PM
no body has the guts to say so.......we all saw (B)advani standing there... why he is not accepting what happened... why kalyan singh.. uma bharati... everybody is saying they were in dark...funny
Re: rajiv gandhi
by Ram Sharma on May 04, 2009 12:56 PM
The masjid was forcibly constrcted by mugal invaders at the site where Shri Ram was born.
It is good that it was demolished! In fact all other tombs in India which are an ugly reminder of the mugal oppresion should also be demolished and the land thus recalimed put to constructive use.
If Rajiv was instrumental in the demolition,he must get due credit for it!
Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by Prashant Mardolkar on May 04, 2009 01:03 PM
can you pin point a place where you were born? River Sharayu has changed the course 100 times in 2500 yrs. Saint Tulsidas, who wrote version of Ramayan was contemporary, who does not mention the temple demolition. and further why imitate Babur?
Re: Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by Ramanath Babu on May 04, 2009 01:31 PM
The original Ramayan was written by Maharshi Valmiki. There are scores of versions written by many other great saints like Tulsidas. In the Valmiki Ramayana, the birth place of Lord Ram, the position of stars at that particular point of time - everything is clearly written. Those who have interest in astrology have researched and calculated even the exact date and time of Lord Rama's birth from these descriptions.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by Ram Sharma on May 04, 2009 01:37 PM
Excellent, Ramanath Ji! The cause of Hinduism is being harmed by atheists/communists like Prashant.
Just because the Saryu river has changed its course this idiotic Prashant has the gall to question Ram's janam sthan!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by Srinivas Matnuri on May 04, 2009 04:57 PM
Prashant is an atheist and seems to not know his origins too.. It is a shame for him to exist
Re: Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by Ram Sharma on May 04, 2009 01:12 PM
Mr. Prashant, It is athesits/communists like you who have done great disservice to the cause of Hinduism.
If the Saryu river has changed its course should the Hindus forget about Ram's birthplace?
Please keep your absurd views to yourself only. Thnx!
Re: Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by iamhere on May 04, 2009 01:13 PM
nope its not good..what about temples destroyed in j and k temples destroyed in malaysia temples destroyed by modi in gujarat?
Re: Re: Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by Ramanath Babu on May 04, 2009 01:52 PM
Jamhere,
Hindus are not rigid unlike other religious people. As a matter of fact, we cannot built temple at any place as you please. A sacred place has to be selected, and before doing 'Shilanyas' pujas are performed in a tantric way. If at all, the temple has to be shifted, there is no bar as such. The tantri will perform necessary Pujas and take the idol to the new place.
IF for development, temples are relocated, it is not a crime, as had happened in Gujarat. But equating the same with destruction of temples in J&K is absurd.
Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by kingfisher on May 04, 2009 01:09 PM
Prashant Why do you want to close your eyes and ears to see & hear what is the truth - that Rajiv Gandhi was foolhardy in opening the gates for worship in order to balance his monumental blunder in the Shahbano where he went all the way to amend the constitution to appease the mullahs. You seem to suffer from - see selective evil-hear selective evil-say selective evil.
Re: Re: Re: rajiv gandhi
by Rajesh Shetty on May 04, 2009 01:16 PM
what prashanth is saying is 100% true..Shah bano case and the Muslim personal bill are watershed events in the history of our democracy, after emergency, which not many people know. It is this event which galvanized even the moderates amongs H_indus to think that the Congress is only indulging in lip secularism. And this is the spark which led to the big fire in Indian politics in the years to come.
