Finally there is one soul in this country that has expressed what we thought should happen. Politicians & secular minded leaders have put stamp of shame on the forehead of Brahmins.In today's scenario,taking birth in Brahmin family is biggest curse.I sometime feel we Brahmins must have commited some serious sins in our last incarnations,that God has made us Brahmin. With people like Shekher taking lead, I am confident we will see better days
Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by Ravi on Apr 04, 2009 04:06 PM
Dear datar, I understand your feelings. Kindly also read history for eg. God of small things by arundati roy to get a glimpse or just visit rural india to know the plight of todays shudra's. How about banning caste system, therby resevation system would be taken out? Well you hypocrate Brahmins would never want to that.
Re: Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by Pranav B on Apr 05, 2009 07:04 PM
you assume that some how all brahmins are hypocrates and others are not. Check it out before what you say
Re: Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by Guest on Apr 05, 2009 09:08 PM
I don't understand how any person can support a dirty system like reservation.I have seen civil service officer's son taking advantage of being an ST. Do you think he is backward in practical sense?This is only one example. There are thousands of example all around you.Right from birth they start availing reservation. For studies,higher education,service promotion everything.This system is making our country cripple.Would you like to go to a doctor who has scored 40 % in his school exam and got a chance to become a doctor only because he is from some so called backward class?What sort of innovation can you expect from such an engineer?It's time to wake up.Think about India and its future.Abolish reservation system.
Re: Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by Guest on Apr 04, 2009 08:54 PM
Ravi, I was born in the city and never knew what caste is till VPSingh came in with Mandal. I know for fact my Father did not commit any caste crimes, ancestors I do not know.But If I am asked to pay for the crimes, how is that Muslims who have committed worst crimes in our history, are not asked to atone for this. Does this question make me communal or both communal and casteist. Only solution that I can see to go forward and away from this stupid things is have all around developments which would remove casteism as natural outcome. You cannot remove your bias nor can you expect Brahmin to remove his bias in this lifetime. Let us hope for the better for the next generation. Let us not poison the next generation's mind.
Re: Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by Nandakumar Chandran on Apr 05, 2009 06:35 PM
god of small things is a story and arundhati roy is a communist - so take whatever she says only with a pinch of salt. and kerala is one place where brahmanical discrimination were pretty high - but that doesn't mean that it was the same everywhere else - even in tamilnadu next door, where the tamil upper castes normally called "shudras" have always held political and economic power. was raja rajendra chola a brahmin? he was a thevar - normally designated as shudra. likewise the rest of the chera/chola/pandya kings. and most of their ministers ministers were from the vellaalar caste - the modern day gounders. can brahmins even think of discriminating against them? the so called dravidian movement was orchestrated covertly by the church to split the tamil society caste wise and push the brahmins away from seats of power where they could not oppose the church. and the dravidian movement is hardly egalitarian - it only transferred the power of the brahmins to the tamil upper castes - who have always from time immemorial discriminated against lowest castes like the dalits - economically as well as politically. and the so called brahmin discrimination was atbest at the sphere of religion and spirituality where they claimed higher purity and did not affect normal life.
Re: Re: Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by Pranav B on Apr 05, 2009 07:12 PM
discrimination by anyone in any form is bad.
If people feel Brahmins somehow denied education and because of that reservation is needed then why not reservation in business and army? If you want to start a business then why not reservation to start a business. After all Vaisiyas had hold on the business for centuries. Same question for Ksatriyas.
How many Engineering and Medical Colleges were there to deny others of Education.
Brahmins did discriminate. So did other upper caste people and lower caste people Brahmins were/are easy picks while other culprits escaped.
Brahmins were teachers and Prists. The did discriminate...that is the truth. But what is also truth is that other community people did now show interest in education. Even if they got education ...agriculture was the main driver of the economy. Life span was short. Who cared about education? This continued for centuries until late 1800s when education become important. The rest is history.
Re: Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by Sameer on Jun 21, 2009 03:45 PM
God of small is a god forbidden book. God damn it. The author whose desires were not fulfilled in one form or the other has brought it out in the form of a book. SO don't use that as a rule book
Re: Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by Deepak on Apr 05, 2009 02:05 AM
You cannot ban something like a caste system. The social fabric needs to change to get rid of it. But by having reservations, we are just doing the opposite and want the caste system to remain. Today people want to be a OBC / SC / ST / under some quota.
Re: Reservations for Brahmins
by VJR r on Apr 05, 2009 07:37 PM
I agree with you. The eddifice with which the whole Hindu culture was built and the traits that it carried was cleanly wiped off by the westerners and the other invaders. They smelled some loopholes in the exiting system and to get easy edge to divide and rule, they attacked our rich indian culture and provided room for xenophobia of non-brahmins against brahmins. I understand that this was an easier approach to divide our culture by spreading heatredness amongst ourselves. The morons and stupied non brahmins will go to any extent to disgrace and disrespect their own culture, change religions and do anything to please westserners. What values do westerners carry, they are the biggest racist, they discriminate against black, hispanics, and other immigrants. Same with Arabs, they fight among religious sects like shia and sunni. So what sense does it make for a non brahman to easily get swayed away and adopt the retarded culture of westerners, arabs....
Indian govt should openly apologize for the caste discrimination, and give 5000/- to all SC/ST/OBCs who think they were deprived , and burn all caste records, force everybody to drop surname, caste ,place ,etc from their name.
Re: The govt should ask for apology for caste deprivation and end
by d c on Apr 03, 2009 04:44 PM
dont force any one. every society has its norms & discipline. every one has a liberty to use express one's identity & root through Surnames.
Pamba partha padeye nadungum, papana partha pambe nagungum....They say, a snake can frighten a whole army but a barhmin will frighten the snakes too....I enjoy this saying very much
Re: Pappan Vicham - II
by Pranav B on Apr 05, 2009 07:14 PM
you obviously need to grow up. Get over your ignorance. Broden your views, respect others and have love for others.
You do not want to repeat what your forefathers did or what other castist people did. Just be nice to others.
And don't ever start off again by saying that this person did this and that.
Re: Pappan Vicham - II
by Indian Saint on Apr 03, 2009 04:07 PM
Endha Paambu? Paarpananin paambai paarthaal neengalaam nadunguvinga....because you guys are scared that your women will leave you.
Re: Re: Pappan Vicham - II
by Hago Kiruttinan on Apr 04, 2009 08:42 PM
they are already lost man! these guys wanted to drive people against God. but in TN i am seeing most Godly activities happening.
Re: Re: Pappan Vicham - II
by Ravi on Apr 04, 2009 04:10 PM
How about banning caste system, therby resevation system would be taken out and there would real democracy in India without any descrimination.
Re: Re: Re: Pappan Vicham - II
by greatrr on Apr 05, 2009 08:25 PM
Very good suggestion, actually we shouldnt have any reservation. People should be rewarded based on merit
Great Periyar once said, 'Oru pakkam pambu, unnoru pakkam pappan iruntha, mudala papana adikanum'. If you have a stick and see a brahmin one side and venomous snake on other side, hit the brahmin first. I wonder what he may say now if he hears this???
Re: Pappan Vicham
by he nath on Apr 05, 2009 07:55 PM
he would say if u see a politician and a snake ... kill the politician 1st and let the snake kill rest of the politician's.....
Re: Pappan Vicham
by Indian Saint on Apr 03, 2009 04:07 PM
Endha Paambu? Paarpananin paambai paarthaal neengalaam nadunguvinga....because you guys are scared that your women will leave you.
Re: Re: Pappan Vicham
by Hago Kiruttinan on Apr 04, 2009 08:41 PM
he is dead man ... even his friend Karunanidhi is on the way... these two fellows will have the worst lives in future. God's justice will prevail.
They say India is a democratic and secular country then why divide it on the name of reservation..to give it more light,here is what I think, consider The Ant and the Grasshopper's Story: The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and laying up supplies for the winter. The Grasshopper thinks the Ant is a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the Ant is warm and well fed. The Grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold. Indian Version: The Ant works hard in the withering heat all summer building its house and laying up supplies for the winter. The Grasshopper thinks the Ant's a fool and laughs & dances & plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering Grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the Ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. NDTV,BBC,CNN show up to provide pictures of the shivering Grasshopper next to a video of the Ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. The World is stunned by the sharp contrast. Arjun Singh makes 'Special Reservation ' for Grasshoppers in Educational Institutions & in Government Services. Many yrs later. The Ant has since migrated to the US and set up a multi-billion dollar company in Silicon Valley, 100s of Grasshoppers still die of starvation despite reservation somewhere in India, AND As a result of loosing lot of hard working Ants and feeding the grasshopper India is still developing nation.
Re: reservation
by galilio on Apr 03, 2009 12:15 PM
BY THE WAY, WHERE IS ARJUN SINGH OF CONGRESS WHERE THERE IS NO NEWS ABOUT THIS QUOTA KING. IS HE STILL IN HOSPITAL OR MADE TO SIT QUITE BY SONIA.
Re: Re: reservation
by Sheshadri RS on Apr 05, 2009 08:10 AM
Because it is a waste to cry in front of so-called "secularist(bullshit)-still-strongly-caste-prone" politicians. And also Brahmins can survive any adverse situation and excel in any field they are into.
FRIENDS, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY CASTE BASE RESERVATION. IN FACT IT IS POLITICIANS GAME TO DFVIDE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR THEIR OWN BENEFITS.POOR ONE FROM ANY CASTE OR RELIGION SHOULD BE HELPED. RESERVATION SHOULD BE ONLY ON THE BASIS OF ECONOMIC CONDITION OF A PERSON.
in this case for all who thinks bhrahmins suppressed others ....what do u think of muslims who imposed jaziya tax on us,how can u give reservation not to us while giving money to then to visit their holy shrine. even now the common phraze known to everybody is "daridra bhrahmana"means poor bhrahmin.even now i am seeing most of the bhrahmin are lower middle class and still suffering from this social injustice.dont think all bhrahmins in the past were bad, only thing that they posessed wrong was untouchability.now its not there i belive now we need to change with the time.at the end ...no reservation pleaseeee....
Re: no reservation lzzzz for anybody
by Kabali on Apr 05, 2009 08:12 PM
My friend, I think you havent visited / heard of activities in interior TN. There is still 2 tumler system. Who inititaed this? There are 3 coinstituencies in TN (near madurai), where election could not be conducted for over 20 years now, as they are constituencies reserved for SC/ST. Who in the first place brought the Caste system? It was brought in by Brahmins, who are actually migrants to India, to secure their position. Even now there are news items that a collector has to be present to allow Dalits to the sanctum sanctorum. All those Brahmis who claim to be pure and can only perform pujas to god, are you not hypocrits? I see many brahmins have non-veg (the so called no-no).. do every other objectionable act, and still claim to be pure? I am not saying Brahmins cant do this. I am only saying dont be a hypocrit.
Re: no reservation lzzzz for anybody
by priyadharshini mahadevan on Apr 05, 2009 09:07 PM
dear kabali, pl do deep read without having any opinion in ur mind. As per the vedas they hav divided the people as per their behaviour and not caste it. You have not seen any words like caste in vedas. It has been divided the people based on their work and not by birth. To proof this, so many stories are mentioned in the vedas. It is a ocean. It has stated the varnasharama dharma which has been misquoted by the selfish british historians and politicians. The WEAKNESS OF THE BRAHMINS IS FAILED TO DEFEND THEIR RIGHTS OR OPINION those days. All mischiefs are become history now. And people like U read those history and express your wrong opinion in public which is unprofessional.
Re: Re: no reservation...
by Kabali on Apr 08, 2009 08:24 PM
Dear Priyadharshini, I might consider your argument. however, can you point any single gurukula, where they teach the vedas even today to anyone other than Brahmins? The TN Govt had to intervene and had to mandate taking dalits and other caste people as students. Why are the brahmins doing this? Do you still think the Brahmins are weak and that they are not maintaining the caste divide?
Believe me, i dont have a skewed opinion. Its just the fact.
Who knows what the Brahmins really did in the past?Writing of history has become a highly partisan practice several decades ago.Now,you can write your own version of any history you want.This is happening all over the world.If you can't read or write,you can always hire a history professor.
