Even the people who doesn't know the smell of studies are getting the seats in merit. But the intelligent people from brahmin side doesn't get anything. The bloody brutal need to change....
It is true at the time of independence, reservation policy is driven by caste based and so sc/st got and so for some BC classes... But after 50yrs while india is developing some of the FC classes discriminated by geographical, economically. It is not related to one FC caste but many such are seen in differenct states. Thanks to I.T some of these educated but economically weaker classes got some opportunity but still they are inaccessible to the minimum affordable lifestyle in villages.
IT is time now that Forward caste poor should also be treated on par with SC/ST/OBCs and be given atleast 15-20% reservation for education immediately. Sure that they dont need employment reservations as they can compete with General category if they are given proper education. Atleast this should be considered by all political parties for balanced growth
The day percentage of upper castes in the jobs fall below their percentage of total population, they should be considered for reservation. Right now no such situation happens and that is why no upper caste should be considered for any reservation.
Re: Upper castes should not be given reservation
by Krishnan R on Apr 09, 2009 05:00 AM
Provide factual data to support the claim. Just do not hallucinate..
Re: Upper castes should not be given reservation
by Ramesh on May 07, 2009 10:59 AM
There is no such thing called Upper Caste. Nobody has been defined as such. Neither the Constitution nor the Governments recognise the expression Upper Caste. The expression Upper Caste is an illegal and unconstitutional invention. No section of the society has demanded the status of Upper Caste. Even the term backward/most backward is an invention. If people believe they are backward/most-backward, it is their headache. Nobody asked them to believe that they are backward. In any case, categorisation of people as backward/most backward is only a sleight of hand trick and anybody can be categorises as âbackwardâ or otherwise. For example, in TN, the Christians, the most educated people are also categorised as âbackwardâ. The reason is obvious â too devour seats in the âreservedâ and âopenâ seats. Likewise, Brahmins (having less than half a percent share in TN Govt jobs) are illegally categorised as forward though they have never demanded such a status. By the way, will you agree to having each of the 300 castes in the concoction called BC/MBC list having âproportionateâ share in college seats/jobs? The Sattanathan Committee of TN said that a few castes in the self-proclaimed BC/MBC list hogged disproportionate amount of seats. Did you oppose that? Did you ask for proportionate share for each of the 300 castes in the BC/MBC list? As said before, if you consider yourself as âbackward/most-backwardâ what can anyone do about it? You obviously need psychiatric treatment. Lastly, to answer your senseless comment, India is not a union of castes to justify caste-proportionate reservation.
Re: Upper castes should not be given reservation
by Ramesh on May 07, 2009 10:53 AM
There is no such thing called âUpper Casteâ. Nobody has been defined as such. Neither the Constitution nor the Governments recognise the expression âUpper Casteâ. The expression âUpper Casteâ is an illegal and unconstitutional invention. No section of the society has demanded the status of âUpper Casteâ. Even the term âbackward/most backwardâ is an invention. If people believe they are backward/most-backward, it is their headache. Nobody asked them to believe that they are backward. In any case, categorisation of people as âbackward/most backwardâ is only a sleight of hand trick and anybody can be categorises as âbackwardâ or otherwise. For example, in TN, the Christians, the most educated people are also categorised as âbackwardâ. The reason is obvious â too devour seats in the âreservedâ and âopenâ seats. Likewise, Brahmins (having less than half a percent share in TN Govt jobs) are illegally categorised as âforwardâ though they have never demanded such a status. By the way, will you agree to having each of the 300 castes in the concoction called BC/MBC list having âproportionateâ share in college seats/jobs? The Sattanathan Committee of TN said that a few castes in the self-proclaimed BC/MBC list hogged disproportionate amount of seats. Did you oppose that? Did you ask for proportionate share for each of the 300 castes in the BC/MBC list? As said before, if you consider yourself as âbackward/most-backwardâ what can anyone do about it? You obviously need psychiatric treatment. Lastly, to answer your senseless comment, India is not a union of castes to justify caste-proportionate reservation.
India will see progress when Brahmins stop supporting right wing elements that are exploiting them such as RSS and VHP.India started seeing trouble only after RSS was formed in the 1920s...
Reservation is wrong for both brahmins and non-brahmins. Just because reservation won't be removed or used as a vote making tool brahmins cannot demand a piece for themselves. The point being reservation should be removed in a phased manner at the rate of 2% per year which will remove reservation completely in 50 years. Which is quite a time considering that reservation in full form has been around for more than 50 years now and most of the people who are benefiting off of reservation are 2nd or 3rd generation now. So 50 years would be a plenty of time to use the reservation and benefit at the same time. In the long run Indian hindus should unify under one umbrella as Hindus only with no caste or creed (In scriptures vedas/upanishads there is no mention of caste or anything actually) so going in that direction should be our main focus.
Congratulations to our political parties, for changing completely the dictionary meaning of 'minoiry'and 'majority' in India at least. Most caste/community/subcastes and all non-Hindu religions are minorities. All minorities put together will become close to 90%. Finally left out will be majorities -- Brahmins, Jains and Sikhs, each well below 3% of population.
The reservation system is a clear cut demeaning and against brahmins. Its a modern day aparthied. As no politician or party can do away with reservation, I think brahmins should be considered as other backward casts considering there economic condition. For getting something if a normal person has to work say 60-80 % , but brahmins has to do 150 %. Also caste system is not birth based, but due to Musl1m attack the gurukul system was finished and infact lot os sultans used to kill brahmins especially. Lot of solankis etc faught with them bravely. In kashmir everyone became brahmins(100%), now brahmins have no problem with marrying intercaste if the other cast person is good education and behaviour. The British started to think that this so called priestly class if removed then hinduism will fail and all will become christians. I think nowadays being born in brahmin family is a great sin, worst than a born minority in Musl1m majority country. Either no reservation or Brahmins as OBC.
Re: Worst Aparthied in Modern History
by Fluffy Kumar on Apr 06, 2009 12:40 AM
Congress has a plan- get rid of Hindus1 so they can remain in power for ever, make everyone in India into F head xtains, that should do it. I left India even though I had 2 Gold medals in both a professional degree and post-grad degree. SC/ST got the jobs. Do I regret? Heck no- I am better off leaving xtainized India under congress busturds. I advise you to do the same. Upper case Hindus leave India- only low IQ people (like B K) will be left. They can breed themselves into oblivion.
