Has she forgetten the brave acts of martyrdom in the line of duty of 14 policemen from Maharashtra. She is playing politics on this very tragic incident.
Maharashtrians have always been at the forefront for the defence of country since Independence and even before that.
She is a simply low grade politician, who looks at the size of the vote bank. Today the situation is that in 4 out of 6 Mumbai constitutiencies, UP/Bihaaris (Muslim Hindu) voters outnumber Marathis, and she is pandering to this vote bank now. She has forgotten the issues of Maharashtrians, who too are bonafide INDIANS.
Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by Lord Prosperity on Apr 27, 2009 07:17 AM
Stop your crap. I do not agree with Sonia on many respects, but on this one she is correct. If Mumbai is only for Maharashtrians, many industrialists must also be kicked out - why kick out only poor labourers, because they are poor? If Bangalore and Hyderabad also begin similar issues, then IT from India will be gone and e can become like Afghanistan/Pakistan very son. In any country big cities will attract both poor and rich people. Take for example New York, it has slums and Manhattan. Both are needed for the city to evolve. If you want to take only one section and kick out the other, then city cannot sustain and it will go to dark ages. Think think think.
Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by goldtiger on Apr 27, 2009 07:24 AM
Mister Lord Prosperity,
Why should MH pay for the deficiencies of badly ruled states of UP Bihaar?
Why is Central funding not flowing into Maharashtra for adequately compensating the strain on infrastructure and manual jobs. What about poor laborers in Maharashtra. Where will they go and suffer if their already low wages are undercut by poorer laborers from UP Bihaar.
Why are these migrant not assimilating with the local culture and language, instead of being politically active, calling their own regional leaders like Amar Singh ad Lalu, BSP, RJD, SP, etc.
You do not understand the ground realities and day to day problems in Mumbai and want to comment ? Think ten times and stop your CRAP.
Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by goldtiger on Apr 27, 2009 07:26 AM
Mister Lord Prosperity, UP Bihaaris have mass migrated in the last 10 years of Congress rule in MH in the name of extending the deadline to 2000 for slum dwellers to get free flats. They have not assimiltated with local people, instead with the size of their numbers have imposed their language and culture.
They have formed a sizeable vote bank and UP Bihaaris outnumber Marathis in 4 out of 6 constituencies. None of the other state migrants have been politically active, forming a votebank, threatening to disenfranchise locals, calling their own regional leaders like SP, RJD, BSP. If they can project their regional identity after migrating here, locals have more rights to do so.
Mister, you dont seem to live in Mumbai and know its day to day problems and ground reality here. You have misunderstood the situation based on biased reports of Hindi news channels and media people sitting in New Delhi.
Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by Lord Prosperity on Apr 27, 2009 07:55 AM
goldtiger,
I also grew up in a big city like Hyderabad (of course it not Mumbai). but the problems Hyd faces is similar to Mumbai's perhaps on a smaller scale. You raise good questions about why should MH fund under-performaing states of UP/Bihar? But is this not the concept of a country. Some regions develop while others lag behind and the funds flow from this prosperous region to under-developed region. Your argument can be extended further, tomorrow Marthwada will say why should we suppoer Vidarbha and then there will be another division and later further division. This way we can again become 500 princely states as were once upon a time. As a country we have to prosper/suffer together. We have no choice, otherwise we can as well become like Europe with each state as a country - why have India?
Re: Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by Lord Prosperity on Apr 27, 2009 08:04 AM
gold tiger:
"Why are these migrant not assimilating with the local culture and language, instead of being politically active, calling their own regional leaders like Amar Singh ad Lalu, BSP, RJD, SP, etc. "
True, I agree in India we do not mingle well with other groups. It is more true with North Indians somehow. They do not try to learn any local culture or language while any other linguistic group tries to interact in local language to an extent. Somehow the North Indians feel that they are special people - for whatever reason. they expect everyone to know Hindi even if it is not their native language. Somehow when we made India, making Hindi as a national language just because it is spoken by majority made the Hindi linguistic group fee that they were superior. No wonder they are disliked all over India except in North. Perhaps they should also change their attitude. But in India every one is parochial. we are first a Marathi, a Telugu, a Tamil, a Bengali or a Bihari, then a brahmin, vaisya etc, and then further sub-caste. Where is the concept of I'm an Indian? There are rarely marriages across castes/linguistic groups. I think with more education this concept of Indianness will come to all - it takes time as India is still 50 years old (as a nation, NOT culturally). In future we will see more such growth of the idea of Indianness. Until then we should have patience.
Re: Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by goldtiger on Apr 27, 2009 08:10 AM
Mister Lord Prosperity,
You still do not understand. People in Vidarbha and Marathwada consider themselves to be Maharastrians and other people too consider them to be Maharashtrians. Their problems are Maharashtra's problem. ok.
The situation is different for these UP Bihaari migrants. They consider themselves to be from UP Bihaar and not Maharashtrians. The problem is they do not assimilate. They form their own social and political identity and of course their VOTEBANK based on the region that they have migrated from. They bring their regional political leaders and parties here to gain power within Maharashtra. They want their language Hindi to be the official language in Mumbai's BMC instead of trying to learn and understand the local language here (this is how they want to impose their language and culture on us locals).
Your logic of break-up into 500 princely states does not hold when you understand that it is the lack of UP/Bihaari vote bank's assimilation and identification with MH which is the root of the problem.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by goldtiger on Apr 27, 2009 08:32 AM
Mister Lord Prosperity,
You forget that there are linguistic states sanctioned by Constitution.
You forget that Maharasthra contributes the most to the Central Taxes kitty. Maharashtra was the largest donor among states when Koshi flooding took place in Bihar.
When Maharashtrian lcoals is facing infrastructure and job problems due to the mass migration of educated and uneducated people from badly managed states, it is the job of Centre to consider Maharashtrians as Indians too and give them adequate compensation to offset the problems. That is not happening. Are WE Maharashtrians not Indians ? but UP Bihaari migrants who do not assimilate with local language and culture are Indians ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by Lord Prosperity on Apr 27, 2009 08:47 AM
Yes I do not hear New Yorkers fighting other state people like we do in India. As I said the concept of Indianness is alien to us and if it has to remain that way, we might as well be like Europe. Just because British united us together, does not mean we have to remain like that and keep fighting internally - bleeding resources, energy and time. All these could have been efficiently spent on building each state as an independent country and become developed like Europe. It was nice chatting with you. Have a good time. No hard feelings.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by Lord Prosperity on Apr 27, 2009 08:21 AM
Yes you can see Maharashtra as a concept of entity where one can have a give-and-take relationship between the regions of MH, but you cannot see the concept of India as an entity with each state having the same relationship? If you as an educated person cannot see concept of India and do not like to include non-Marathis as one entity together, why do you expect the poor-uneducated to see the concept of India and mingle with local culture. Please practice what you preach to others. Thanks.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by Lord Prosperity on Apr 27, 2009 08:33 AM
Yes and so are all immigrants and hence everyone has right to settle anywhere in India. We are not like China where people are given permits for entering a city. Well we can do that if we perhaps have a dictatorial set-up. If some linguistic group/region does not like to have people from other states then they should become an independent country. I don't mind we becoming like Europe with each linguistic group having a separate nation. I do not see why this big fuss of having this entity called India if no one likes to respect/live by it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by goldtiger on Apr 27, 2009 08:39 AM
Then in that case, do away with state boundaries as well. My friend formation of state boundaries happens within a country all over the world, democratic like USA or totalitarian communist like China.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: She has insulted all Maharashtrians
by goldtiger on Apr 27, 2009 08:36 AM
If migrants migrate and settle elsewhere, they have to assimilate with the local people,their language and culture. This is an universal message all over the world.
BJP has finally realised that it is going to lose this election and Advani will have to wait for 5 more years to again try to fullfil his dream. I am sure selfish people like Advani and Mayawati will not leave any stones unturned to get to the post of PM. Mahatma Gandhi once said that we should do service to the people without looking at the rewards but these cunning leaders asks for the rewards first and then promise to do service. We are grateful to have a PrimeMinister like Manmohan Singh and he will lead us to achieve more prosperity.
Re: Cong stopped Mumbai 711 train blast probe for msulim vote
by Kamala Advani on Apr 27, 2009 07:00 AM
CONG DID NOT STOP IT.. ADVANI REQUESTED NOT TO RELEASE IT...
BECUASE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE WERE RSS WORKERS
Re: Re: Cong stopped Mumbai 711 train blast probe for msulim vote
by Rajesh Kambli on Apr 27, 2009 07:16 AM
i think u means indian mujahiddin is another branch of rss or what. i am supporting them if they involve in malegaon blast bcoz, sahanshakti bhi kuch had hoti hai yaar.7/11 ka chodo baaki jagah ke blast bhi rss wale kar rahe hai kya?
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Influx to mumbai should be controlled. It only is increasing the Crowd and miserable lifestyles in slums. But Political parties want these slums to flourish futher so that they can get bigger vote bank, Rather than encouraging people to go to Mumbai, governmnet should think of converting small cities into big opportunities for aspirants. All the slums in Mumbai shold be converted to systematic housing complexes. And no new slum should be allowed to crop up.
Sonia can say all that because she does not stay in Mumbai.
Its rediculous that she is making use of 26/11 for political purpose. I am very disappoited to know that a person of her dignity made this statement.
She should bear in mind if any national threat is there, every Maharashtriyan is ready to give away every single drop of his blood for Mother India. We had done this in the past. Now should we go and ask Center about how many Maharashtrian soldiers have laid down their lifes fighting againsta terrorists, Pakistanis, Naxalites, Maoists?? Marathi's are not so insane to ask for such details.
But there is a difference between National Threat and Local issue. Mumbai's problems is a genuine local issue and it should be addressed ASAP.
Maharashtrians have always been taken for granted .. always they have been mis-portrayed by media..
Re:
by Siddharth Trivedi on Apr 27, 2009 06:40 AM
Its Sad, and really sad, that we Indians have strated to create boundaries within our own mother land. Sense of community has overgrown sense of nationalism. Instead of looking at person from neighboring state as our fellow country man, we look upon them as outsider. Marathi manus shudnt be forgetting that mumbai was made by maharastrians "people living in maharashtra) and not by "marathi speaking people". Grow up and mix with your fellow country man or your false sens of pride will keep u isolated within your own country. Nobody is taking nobody for granted. Don't blame your in-competent on others.
Re: Re:
by goldtiger on Apr 27, 2009 06:58 AM
@Trivedi,
UP Bihaaris have mass migrated in the last 10 years of Congress rule in MH in the name of extending the deadline to 2000 for slum dwellers to get free flats. They have not assimiltated with local people, instead with the size of their numbers have imposed their language and culture.
They have formed a sizeable vote bank and UP Bihaaris outnumber Marathis in 4 out of 6 constituencies. None of the other state migrants have been politically active, forming a votebank, threatening to disenfranchise locals, calling their own regional leaders like SP, RJD, BSP. If they can project their regional identity after migrating here, locals have more rights to do so.
Trivedi, you dont seem to live in Mumbai and know its day to day problems and ground reality here. You have misunderstood the situation based on biased reports of Hindi news channels and media people sitting in New Delhi.
Re: Re:
by hemant jadhav on Apr 27, 2009 07:05 AM
U r not getting the point my brother. Mumbai belongs to every Indian but the city has its limits. It is saturated now. And the influx is outrageous for native Marathi Manus as his life is being sidelined from his own land. Whoever is in Mumbai and has attachment for the land is Mumbaikar. You can also become a Mumbaikar. but come here with sense of responsibility and belonging and show respect to the natives. You are welcome. Non Marathi speaking people staying here since yeras have lot of attachment for the city and they as Equally rightful to call themselves Mumbaikars.
Re: Re: Re:
by goldtiger on Apr 27, 2009 07:16 AM
Trivedi,
Yes, but what have you got to say about UP Bihaari migrants calling UP Bihaari regional leaders like Amar, Lalu, Nitish, Paswan, Maya to campaign and win power in Maharashtra ?
What happens when the scale of migration becomes so large that the migrants outnumber locals and are on they grab power based on the size of their vote bank? How will the locals defend themselves, their language and culture, their way of life?
Even parties like MNS (whom you have misunderstood) are inclusive in nature and want migrants to assimilate with locals not the other way around, read their manifesto and the first paragraph defines Maharashtrians "Those who are born in a Maharashtrian family are of course Marathi, but also those who are staying here for generations, respect the local culture and language of Maharashtra, irrespective of their caste, religion or State." I am not a votary of MNS, but I am indignated against accusatiions made against Maharashtrians in general by biased Hindi news media sitting in New Delhi.
Re: Re: Re: Re:
by hemant jadhav on Apr 27, 2009 07:41 AM
Those who are born in a Maharashtrian family are of course Marathi, but also those who are staying here for generations, respect the local culture and language of Maharashtra, irrespective of their caste, religion or State."
This is a good indeed. Thats what we expect. Those staying here since ages are certainly Maharashtrians.. but no more outsiders please .. enough is enough .. Else Let Me Leave Mumbai for good of other outsiders. Thats all I can do for Mumbai.
India is no more india...it just fulfills the needs of sonia and her family. it is shame that italian lady is ruling indians...manmohan is a doll and these old congress fellows saying yes everything sonia says..
Re: India = sonia (queen of slave indians)
by arani prakasam on Apr 27, 2009 05:57 AM
No qualification is required for ruling the country. it is enough if u have surname as gandhi or nehru. country is ruined by the family for 60 years. already rahul says he does not want to become PM. is PM of india is some family property
Re: Re: India = sonia (queen of slave indians)
by indianheart on Apr 27, 2009 06:25 AM
Rahul and Priyanka both talk they do not want to become PM for NOW. They think PM's post is their family property and they can become PM anytime they want.
How about raising education and healthcare quality level and eradicating poverty first. But no, thats to be done by corrupt govt officers.
China is slowly extending its complete control over the whole island.
Sonia's personal grudge against Tamil Suicide bombers should not translate into apathy when faced with the humanitarian catastrophe facing the Tamils.
In the years to come there should be and will be a NATIONALIST government in the center which will take firm steps to protect Hindus anywhere and everywhere in the world.
Enough of all these oft repeated statements like Mumbaiites smile in the face of adversity. The fact is that these words are words of insult thrown at the millions who travel in most inhuman conditions in local trains, waste hours in road traffic that should have taken just a few minutes. We are slumdogs and Congress is proud of us being slumdogs. We don't have right to demand what has been done of the perpetrators of the 1992 riots or the 1993 bomb blasts. The very fact that we showed record attendance in our offices the very day after the blasts means we have relinquished our right to ask questions. We return most of the income tax to the centre and what we get in return is words from these kind of ignorant politicians about us being brave to smile in the face of all these problems. It is adding more salt to our collective cowardice and hopelessness.
Re: We don't need cliched statements
by indianheart on Apr 27, 2009 05:49 AM
You have hit the nail on the head. The more you try to overcome an adversity, the more these politicians think that mumbai can tolerate more. MMS said after 26/11 many things like we would do this and we would do that. But it was all talk, he did nothing. After all his family was not r@ped and killed. What do they care?
Re: We don't need cliched statements
by Nazir Patel on Apr 27, 2009 05:30 AM
OK . You may be right. However the rich elite live in Mumbai. How about expecting them to contribute towards changing the conditions in Mumbai. There are wealthy businessmen and the Bollywood rich. They are busy earning their crores. How about if they take up the cause of improving conditions ? And finally the Shiv Sena who are more in wasting their time and energy in fighting trivial things like Valentine's Day. How about they take up the cause of their beloved Mumbai and act upon those insanitary conditions and other conditions like the slums and the traffic conditions? The Government has enough on their hands to handle the affairs of the nation and they allocate funds to various states and it is to those states to do something. If Narendra Modi and his Gujarat can flourish without complete dependence on the Indian Government why cannot the Maharashtra Government ?
War in srlinaka is waged by sonia to take revenge on ltte....for which she has killed 10000 tamils tills now...but her blood thirst is not over...rajiv drank sikhs bloods after indhra...now sonia.
Re: In Sanity - Sonia is the deceptive face of the WICKED MONEY-m
by Sameer on Apr 27, 2009 04:32 AM
You are right friend but Mayawati has to learn to govern and administer. I think she should provide UP with clean efficient administration, that would bolster her claim for PM post. My best wishes to her.
