it is absolutely suffcating, a news is wrongly propogated bynational media. She was explaining the sufferings of tamils, she was expaining how a genocide is on the way. She was explaining how the interment camps were running in srilanka. How the sinhala mobilization happening in the north. She was illustrating, how she was turned on by the Shri shri Ravishankar's narrating experience. Are you guys, say that sri sri ravishankar is lying. Why rediff is turning down all these points, and just pointing out that she is just shifiting gears. Why is this mass mis-information propaganda in national newspapers. I don't hate, some north indian talking bad about LTTE or tamils altogether. Because that was the information provided to them. Anybody can decisions based upon the informations provided to them. Who is planning this mis-information propaganda. Did rediff take a point, that 100 women were taking part in the hunger strike for 13 continous days. A non-violence movement! what was the reponse from the nation, complete block out of the news in the whole national media. What i'm really worried is, the violent movemenet coming out of such frustration! Why none of u understand, that srilanka will stand loyal to india after the complete annhilation of tamil race in srilanka. Do u think chinense influence will not be there in srilanka aftermath? It is going to be a chinese base. Is china is going to waste the frustrated resources in TN? Stop the mis-information propoganda!
Re: suffocating rediff...
by Great Khali on Apr 27, 2009 08:40 AM
If it were a genocide, the Lankan Army would not have allowed one lakh plus people to escape from gthe LTTE areas. Change your terminology and understanding. Don't lap up every word that a foolish fat one drops from her mouth.
The right term is 'collateral damage' and not 'genocide'. I appreciate the fact that the Lankan Tamils have done themselves a great favor by not taking up arms on behalf of LTTE. By escaping, they have ensured themselves of a better future. International pressure and by India will ensure that Tamils get a good deal after the LTTE is finished forever. Perhaps JJ AMMA can then retire peacefully in her grave.
Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by Veluswamy kumaran on Apr 27, 2009 08:56 AM
Forced abortions, forced disappearences, bombing schools, killing children. Is this collatral damage?
Re: Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by Great Khali on Apr 27, 2009 10:21 AM
I fail to understand how you can accuse the Lankans of carrying out atrocities on Tamils who have been under the 'care' of the Tigers. Hah!! Except in the Jungle Book tales, there is no incident of a carnivorous species (LTTE here) taking care of its prey species (ordinary civilians). So go, and cool down a bit. Don't get carried away by Amma or Bhaiko. They are probably doing this to shore up their foreigh accounts through the contributions of gullible people like you.
Let me repeat, Amma cannot do anything to alleviate the suffering of Tamils in Lanks. It's better to work out a solution within the framework of Sri Lankan sovereignty than try out stunts with light aircraft, cyanide, and ferocious-looking Eelam flags. They will achieve nothing.
Re: Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by Veluswamy kumaran on Apr 27, 2009 08:59 AM
also, tamils living in the interment camps (alternate name for concentration camps). Shri shri ravishankar, who visited recently to srilanka, he said, that tamils living in the absymal conditions in interment camps. He said, Rajpaksa, is not allowing tamils to go to their homes, citing the reason of land mines. But allowin sinhalas to live in those areas. Common guys, how do u call this as a collatral damage. It is a planned genocide. My accusation is, the genocide is not done by srilanka, but by india....
Re: Re: Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by Veluswamy kumaran on Apr 27, 2009 09:09 AM
Here is my reasoning for my accusations, india gave radars, air survillence, intellignece inputs, guarding the coast of srilanka and sending armed personnal to srilanka. Whenever there is a let down in fighting, menon or narayanan visit srilanka, then ferocity of the attack will increase. Srilanka needs india's help in every aspect. But srilanka was never hesitant to say about the india's help. Despite knowing those remarks provoke tensions in india, why the srilankan diplomats make such remarks? Just to pressure india to stop the war? Moreover, Where is the counter argument point of mis-information in the media? No country in the world bombed its own citizens. Even hitler didn't use ariel bombing over the jews. Cluster munitions are proscribed to use in the war field? Do u know srilanka is using it over the civilians? Why the shells are fired over hospitals and schools? How can u call killing of 60 children as a collatral damage?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by Veluswamy kumaran on Apr 27, 2009 09:23 AM
Accusing someone's action is not anti-against of that person. I was not talking anything against the nation, i'm critizing what the nation is doing. We call ourself as democracy, only to raise one's own pain. Where do u see the anti-nationalism in raising my pain? Why didn't u care, when the IPKF killed 6000 tamils in srilanka. I'm not here to justify, what had happend to rajiv. I'm here to say that the fault is on both ends. If we decide to live together, let us forget the past. Prabhakaran was a hero, in TN until rajiv's death. U know what happend in the 1991 election for DMK right. People in TN love rajiv and dropped prabhakaran for Rajiv's demise. But how that can be an excuse in killing thousands of civilians? At least i want to forget the past. You remeber of rajiv's death, i remember of 6000 tamils death by IPKF. How are going to live together?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by Muldic on Apr 27, 2009 09:44 AM
Jai Ho, Longlive yourself and your family, since you are not at all concerned about the human sufferings in Srilanka, when pralaya comes how much ever you cry for help you may not get it, God will see the other way if you cry for help.
Show pity on suffering people else no one will pity you, that's what our Indian culture says, sadhu and sanyasis say.
Re: Re: Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by Great Khali on Apr 27, 2009 10:36 AM
First, nowhere in the world is there a relief camp with the best facilities, not even in the US-run camps in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Second, if Mr. Ravishankar was so touched, he should have donated part of his riches from his trust or foundation to improve the situation. He only brought back video to cause agitation. And, guess who he showed it to? Blubber Amma!! Hah!!!
Third, I still call it collateral damage. Like it or not, you just can't avoid it. Here, the state is acting with a firm will against an insurgent, militant uprising. The LTTE have behaved far worse than the militants across our border. Suicide bombings, underage soldiers, forced conscription to the point of murder.
Fourth, have you read the tales of suffering by the fleeing Tamilians? How they hid their male members to avoid them joining the ranks of the LTTE? Have you given them any credibility? After all, aren't they the same people you are raising your voice for?
Assess the situation with a cool mind without giving much importance to the politicians. When Amma ammasses wealth beyond her known sources, she doesn't donate to the Tamilians in Lanka, she sends it abroad or buys chappals and Sarees.
Keep it cool, brother. The world will not end if Prabhakaran is killed. There will be relief in the hearts of millions of Tamils in Lanka when he's dead or captured.
Jingoism will take you nowhere. Amma will take you nowhere; she'll not even reveal the wealth she created for herself in this crisis.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by devi raturi on Apr 27, 2009 11:10 AM
V kumaran, You seem more emotinal than reasonable...you mean that all indians should side with the terrorist organisation like LTTE and with the power hungry criminal Prabhakaran...who is responsible for the poor plight of innocent civilians...don't you think when a defeat is obviously imminent, Prabhakaran should either kill himself or surrender arms so that the lives of thousand Tamilians could be saved...but the scoundrel is still there plotting his escape....what the Sinhalese did to the Tamilians during the riots and earlier was definitely wrong but can this justify the killing of hundreds of innocent civilians of Sri Lanka by the SUICIDE BOMBERS of LTTE…Do those civilians not have the right to living??? Are their lives less valuable than the Tamilans ?? A separate Eelam is not a solution….Eelam infact is not feasible at all and in the long run will be detrimental to the unity of our nation...idiots like Vaiko will lose no time in fanning hatred against India to further their agenda of a bigger Eelam comprising Northern Lanka and Tamil Nadu...please don't support terrorist organisation like LTTE.....Indian and international community should infact should ensure that the after the LTTE is totally neutralized, the Lankan govt takes progressive steps towards giving Tamils a rightful place in the society…no discrimination whatsoever should be carried out against the Tamils lest another opportunist like Prabhakaran will raise another force to terrorize Lankans...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: suffocating rediff...
by Veluswamy kumaran on Apr 27, 2009 11:15 AM
You are knowldegeable, i agree. i agree with points 1,2 ad 4. Coming to three, forced disapprences, forced abortions, killing children in the interment camps. You can't deny that, i can quote the indepenedent sources. No country uses cluster munitions over its own civlians in the name of eradicating terrorists. When two terrorist holed up in taj hotel, 200 people were there. Does it make any sense to bomb the whole hotel? The same is the proportion of the LTTE and innocent civilians. If only people of same sect were caught in the hotel, and if indian government decides to bomb the hotel, it is absolute foolishness, if it is not a foolishness it is done with the hatered towards that society. Such are the violences against sikhs after the demise of indira gandhi. If that hatered was prolonged, and the killing in thousands continue for more than an year, it is nothing but genocide, or cleanising a soecity. Bombing schools, bombing hospitals, forced disappearences are not collatral damages. Sinhala chauvanism is against tamils. It is none other than the former president of srilanka quoted as "Now, we cannot think of them. Not about their lives or of their opinion about us. The more you put pressure in the north, the happier the Sinhala people will be here.. really, if I starve the Tamils out, the Sinhala people will be happy" Where do u see the reasoning of collatral damange over the genocide?
It was very surprising to hear Jayalalitha acknowledging Tamil Eelam as the only option for Srilankan tamils.
She has also started going soft on LTTE and stopped either criticizing it or appreciating it.
Whether she will continue to work for the welfare of tamilians after she wins over the peoples votes is anybody's guess. She has all along been a lady of untrustworthy.
If she can come openly in support of LTTE and then maintain it till end, she can just become the champion of Tamilians.
But people who know her well know that she will change anytime.
It is money that is playing everywhere and it decides on which side people have to side.
Sonia Gandhi is the richest politician who has huge ancestral money and hence people are thronging to her and are acknowledging her has leader. If she does not have money then politicians would have thrown her out long back.
So all politicians fall easy prey to money and they will say anything for the cause of money. All talks during election time also tends to be forgotten immediately after election.
Once and for all. They used civilians as shields and they indulged in suicide bombings for the past 25 years. Once and for all they should put an end to this menace. Helping them will be liking Pakistan helping the Taliban in Afganistan, see where it has landed them. The same thing will happen here too in India if we help the LTTE. Nobody said anything when LTTE was carrying out terrorist activities against Sri Lankans in the name of Tamil people, not even the Tamil leaders and people in India. Does not our sympathy does not extend to the Sri Lankans who have been terrorized too for the last 25 years?
in that meeting, jaya explained the atrocities of SL government on innocent tamils and how they are doing the genocide.. then only said sep nation is the solution.. bad media doesnt cover everything, but tells only few things which can pass wrong info and stirs agitation. why all medias are like these..
Now Jaya's call is what is superb case of Election gimmick ! Well Karunanidhi was going back and forth for last 6 months, then said Prabhakaran as friend and now ordered a Bandh. Still he had to get Sonia's approval for all and carefully played the trick.
Jaya kept mum for all along. She has blasted LTTE from Day 1. Even now she didn't pick their name and said "Tamil Eelam is the only way". I beleive Pandit Ravishakar Ji opened her eyes showing a video? Looks like she has not seen any previous video's or probably those didn't appeal to her. Pandit ji showed something special to her? Only they both know.
She figured out Karunanidhi in alliance with Congress is lying low profile on this issue. She jumped and said this statement to win votes. Given past experiences, what if Vaiko and Ramadoss are chucked out after elections? She will say Vaiko is a traitor supporting LTTE and Eealam. This is a sure possibility as Assembly election are far away in TN.
None of these politicians are really interested in helping the dying civilians now. Have they put presurre to send doctors, neutral civilian observers to the war zone? We India as a regional superpower owe this to the dying civilians. Lets leave the LTTE to Lanka, but the civilians. Why talk about a future state of getting Eealam, let her state her stand on LTTE. She has avoided their reference because she knows if she says something against, she will not get votes. If she says in support , she has first time on this topic
An astute Indian leader would have immediately recognized this and worked hard to realize this.
Just think about it. China Claims Taiwan to be part of greater china. Taiwan is farther from china's shore than Sri-Lanka is from Indian shores.
What right do the chinese have to lay claim over Taiwan. If they do, then by the same token we need to maintain that Sri-Lanka CANNOT and will not exist as an independent country.
The ideal solution would have been to invade Sri-Lanka, in 1987 and partition the country into two separate states under Indian suzerainty.
One would have been Eelam and the other Sinhala-Pradesh.
Sinhala-Pradesh would have autonomy in terms of attracting investments and formulating domestic laws which are unique to its Buddhist tradition. Its foreign policy and security would entirely be maintained by India.
The Indian Army, Navy and Air force would maintain extensive bases all over the island.
Even during the British Raj, Sri-Lanka was under India. It was the folly of the Congress regime to not realize this fundamental Geo-Political truth and pursue a policy in the opposite direction.
This "Kalidasa Syndrome" has consistently plagued all Pseudo and Marxist backed governments.
Re: Ideally Sri-Lanka should have been part of India.
by Patriot on Apr 27, 2009 05:32 AM
Should we ask BJP to add this to their agenda of Akand Bharath?
Re: VOTE SUPPORT BJP
by Mathew Mathews on Apr 27, 2009 03:07 AM
What was BJP doing 6 years in power. They didnt get anything done then. BJP will do nothing now.
Separatism is not a real solution. Then you will have to divide this PLANET INTO 6 BILLION COUNTRIES. I am sure every human being will have a difference of opinion with another (including children). In a CIVILISED WORLD, people discuss issues and come to an agreeable (though not completely satisifactory) solution.
It is the lack of EDUCATION and MATURITY in people which prompts a reactionary behaviour. If you don't see eye to eye with me, I am going to hit you. If you don't dress like me, walk like me, talk like me, then you are inferior and I am going to fight you. This is the typical reaction of the UNEDUCATED, IMMATURE people. It is unfortunate, the majority of the people on this planet (particularly south asia, middle east, african countries) have this kind of trigger response.
It is very hard to BUILD A MATURE, CIVIL DEMOCRACY, and we should TRY.
Re: Real solution is PEOPLE BECOMING CIVILISED
by Veluswamy kumaran on Apr 27, 2009 08:20 AM
Difference of opinion is different from a genocide. What is happening in srilanka is genocide.
