Udayanraje dared the Shiv Sena to drop 'Shiv' from the party's name and face the electorate. "Let them call themselves Thackeray Sena or any other thing but Shiv Sena and see how the people of this state will treat them," Udayanraje said
Re: Shiv Sena to drop 'Shiv'
by prashant on Apr 21, 2009 12:16 PM
Sena for supporting Mahesh Jethmalani's candidature from the Mumbai [Images] North Central parliamentary constituency. "It is this same person who fought for author James Laine, who had written malicious and derogatory things about Shivaji Maharaj in his book. How can you trust such people to uphold Shivaji Maharaj's respect?
This election campaign of BJP was doomed to failure from the moment they chose the bicep-triceps building Advani as a PM candidate. Since then it has been an exponential ride downhill. It is time for Kulkarni to do what he should execute brilliantly ; prepare LK Advani's first Leader of the Opposition speech. That is, if he gets there.
Re: DOOMED
by Imran on Apr 21, 2009 12:06 PM
As for Kulkarni and the BJP, they are making a complete mockery of themselves by this needless posturing on a televised debate with PM Manmohan Singh, a la US Presidential kind. But first, can Mr Advani and Mr Kulkarni get Mr Modi a tourist visa from the US government, please????? Surprisingly, Kulkarni kept quoting different outstation foreign sources during the program, which appeared trite, trivial and tenuous.
Re: Re: DOOMED
by Bharat on Apr 21, 2009 12:14 PM
May I request you to furnish your comments about democracy to your brethren Muslim Khan in the Swat Valley? I am sure when push comes to shove (that is when the minority becomes the majority) you will side with him.
Please do a statistical research of the depletion of Hindu population in Pakistan vis a vis the exponential growth of Muslims in India and you will see what I mean.
Ah but you might just tell me than math and statistics are wrong to which I will have no answer cause it is obvious even to an idiot what I am talking about.
Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by Bharat on Apr 21, 2009 12:16 PM
Ah by the way democracy is unislamic, not my words but your brethrens! Just wanted to let you know else you will blame me that this is one of my quotes.
Re: Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by Amir on Apr 21, 2009 12:31 PM
Why are you pushing muslims towards talibans saying they are your brethrens.... lets not deviate from indian perspective... that way LTTE is your friend... support it....
Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by Amir on Apr 21, 2009 12:32 PM
2002 - Gujrat Riots - 1180 people were killed in the violence - 1013 Muslims. Another 223 people were reported missing, 2,548 injured, 919 women widowed and 606 children orphaned.About 100,000 Muslims were in relief camps.
In Naroda, according to Human Rights Watch, at least 65 Muslims were killed, many of them women who were sexually assaulted by violent mobs. One of the witnesses testified before the Nanavati commission that that BJP leader Maya Kodnani, Bajrang Dal leader Babu Bajrangi and others led mobs on February 28 in the Naroda-Patia area.
Fourteen people, including women and children, were killed by a mob at the Best Bakery in the town of Vadodara on the night of 1 March
The leaflets urged the Hindu reader not to frequent Muslim-owned restaurants, work in Muslim-run offices, hire Muslims or see films starring Muslim actors; they further assured the reader that the boycott would "throttle these elements. It will break their backbone. Then it will be difficult for them to live in any corner of this country."The economic boycott and "pressure from Hindu radicals" caused fewer employers to re-hire returning Muslims.No group claimed direct responsibility for the leaflets but a senior official of Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) was quoted as saying he was "in complete agreement with whatever is propagated through them."
Gujjus decide or allah will decide. lets talk about indian perspective.
Re: Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by JGN on Apr 21, 2009 12:51 PM
Amir, you are so eloquent about the Gujarat riots. Why are you silent on burnig alive a compartment full of passengers? Or do you think they were just insects and had no right to live?
I condemn both Godhra and its aftermath. Each and every riot in Independent India was started by your community and Gujarat 2002 was the only incident where you suffered more. Stop your one sided propaganda.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by Mee Mumbaikar on Apr 21, 2009 12:59 PM
JGN....Why do you forget, the first thing the UPA did was to set a commission under the orders of a RAILWAY MINISTER and get a spin to the story, that the train caught fire from inside, by the passengers themselves.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by JGN on Apr 21, 2009 01:02 PM
Yes, I know that. The passengers had committe self-immmoloation to blame the followers of "Religion of peaceee"!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by Jiggs on Apr 21, 2009 12:38 PM
Amir....1989 J & K ...Kashmiri Pandit ETHNIC CLEANSING = GENOCIDE. Kashmiri Pandits were given 2 choices: 1: Convert to Islam 2: Leave the valley in their clothes. Mufti Mohd. Sayeed led a mob in Anantnag Riots chanting : YAHAAN KYA CHALEGA NIZAM E MUSTAFA.
Why dont you explain this first more then 2 Lac Kashmiri Pandits had to flee the Valley in their clothes.
Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by Imran on Apr 21, 2009 12:25 PM
Dude why are u bringing the Taliban into picture here we don’t support Taliban we are talking abt bjp and congress here
Re: Re: Re: Re: DOOMED
by Jiggs on Apr 21, 2009 12:32 PM
Imran....The internet ratings dis agree with you totally, here IBN Politics (.)com ratings as of now: LKA : For 849682 against 63127 MMS : for 576118 against 169043 NaMo: for 494716 against 42092 Sonia: for 91539 against 105692
As you can see LKA himselves leads MMS by a big margin and NaMo has the lowest AGAINST VOTES TO HIM.
Re: DOOMED
by pramod bauskar on Apr 21, 2009 12:47 PM
Let any damn thing happens, but it is line on stone that Adwani will never never become the PM at least in this birth.
Re: DOOMED
by nimit patel on Apr 21, 2009 12:09 PM
definitely u peopoe getting buried by the way of BJP campaign...
first u people never gave vote to BJP and in future u will ever... then why BJP comes to u for vote???
second.. what congress had done for u in last 60 yrs ? on which basis u are giving them vote???
NDA ruled for 6 yrs... do they told u people to leave country?? do they told u to change religion???
no they dont and they will never...
but u want a party which tell u... muzlim have first right on nation resources... why///
what u had done for yr society and fmaily... ???
still today yr fmaily are study in madressa... why u cant go public school???
still today u people give birth to 5 child.. even u can bare good future... and still u are ruining yr fmaily.. why congress not made u prospourous u in last 55 yrs.. do u ever think about that????
do u think a 4 crore family as of today ( in past it was lower then that around 1 cr at time of independance )... if they spend around 400,000 cr for u in last 60 yrs... that means 100000 for each family and in that any one can set business and can be self sufficient... congress done it ???
they are telling we gave 50000 cr for minority... wher eit gone???
every thought how congress is making u fool?? sorry fool cant think...
Re: Re: DOOMED
by ishan indra on Apr 21, 2009 12:21 PM
Very true.. My idiot friends can never think of it practically. whtever happened to u was in times of congress ruled gov. Not in Bjp ruled goverment. Ur much more safer with BJP in power.
people who feel budhiya is wrong... when congress is telling BJP a communal that is ok... when its fact that congress is 125 yrs old and this called budhiya is not wrong...
and priyanka is telling i am old??? rahul is old?? sonia is old???
what it means... theya re teling that congress is of only 3 people and that is rahul, sonia and priyanka.... this is dynesty...
MODI told sonia is old?? Modi told priynak or rahul is old???
but they consider that they are old, because they feel we are congress no body else...
Gandhi family not able to develop their constituency in last 60 years and they are telling to develop india???
still voters are judging BJP as communal and preefering congress how???
when MODI told congress 125 yrs budhiya, priyanka told that " main sonia aur rahul aapko buddhe dikhte hai "
what it means??? it means congress is only sonia, rahul and priyanka this is their mentality....
priyanka is in amethi from last one month why??? because she dont have confidence to win???
why sonia and rahul is playing in smallest constituency??? they dont have confidence???
when sonia and kapil sibble telling others to put in to jail.. is it in their hand??? people who are in jail they cant hang them???
congress had done alliance with left, mayawati, sp, rld, rjp and jmm and all other criminals... and they all are talking about BJP a hindu party and communal party...
who is boold suckers , BJP a communal party or congress a ally of criminals... how can a party call communal who is thinking about 85% people of india...
there is BJP in 10 state of india, muzlims are not living there?? muzlims are not doing job?? if u are talking about gujarat or MP or Bihar.. muzlim got killed all over in lat 10 yrs??? then why congres is just crying on name of muzlim... its really sad for muzlims who just feel congress can uplift them, but congress didnt do any thing for them in last 60 yrs... except telling them if BJP will win u will get killed....
Re: Re: secular congress???
by nimit patel on Apr 21, 2009 12:12 PM
ok then vote... if u still feel congress can uplift u.. then give vote... when minority population was just 5 crores in 1947... they dont do any thing... now its 15 cr.. still they are not doing...
i just ask u one thing... if yr any family person is in gujarat then jsut ask them about infrastruture.. and jsut ask them they can do business easily or not...
just ask them about their income..
jsut ask them hindu are using their product or not
just ask them they are able to sale their vegitable in hindu colony or not...
they are earning well or not...
their children are studying in good scholl collages or not...
if u get this answer in yes then you people should think that... what congress done for uy....
Re: Re: Re: secular congress???
by ishan indra on Apr 21, 2009 12:25 PM
Well said nimit i appreciate urs practical thinking abt this nation and its parties. i nevered prefered congress for thise sole reason. Neither he did any reforms for the minorities nor the majorities.. But Mr. Modi did and it proved development is the reason for wch Indians should vote for BJP
Re: Re: Re: secular congress???
by Rukmesh Singh on Apr 21, 2009 12:19 PM
i will vote for the congress. I am into IT and it was Rajiv Gandhi's vision and hard work by PVN and MMS that made it happen. These drama party members (BJP ) were opposing it then (1992-1996) but very shamelessly they implemented the same policy and now they want us to believe as if they did the magic. I am an educated citizen and would always vote for the congress which can give us a stable and visionary government.
Re: Re: secular congress???
by Jiggs on Apr 21, 2009 12:19 PM
Allam Iqbal.... The only people scared of the BJP are the ones who harbor anti India feelings in them. They need to be scared. I agree.
Re: Re: Re: secular congress???
by Rukmesh Singh on Apr 21, 2009 12:21 PM
i am not scared of BJP.. and let the goons of VHP come and they cant do anything to our social fabric.
Re: Re: Re: Re: secular congress???
by JGN on Apr 21, 2009 12:58 PM
Rukmesh Singh, you are right. VHP cannot do anything to our social fabric but the day Taliban reaches Delhi, you will have to run for cover. You will either be ki11ed by them or you will be forced to pay "Jizya" like they imposed on the Sikhs in Swat recently. You can criticise any one till, no matter which party rules at the Centre on in the States.
Mr Sudheendra Kulkarni needs to tell his 82-year-old master that this country has moved on to a Nano car and a BMW SUV, where the old rath (chariot) and the never-ending Babri Masjid temple promises make the BJP look like an outdated jalopy on three-wheels and two flat tyres, an anachronism; outdated, fuddy-duddy, morose and insipid. That its white-haired bespectacled paragon of vitriolic venom , Mr Modi, is reduced to cracking infantile stupidities such as budhiya and gudiya, is a sad saga for a party that had once promised to be an alternative option to the Congress. Sanjay Jha
Re: nonsense
by Imran on Apr 21, 2009 12:00 PM
Since the sole iraison d' etre for the BJP is Hindutva, can someone tell me, where does Hinduism --- the most simple, secular, all-embracing, tolerant, multicultural religion teach anything that is remotely propagated by the likes of Pramod Muthalik, Narendra Modi and Varun Gandhi? Just how does the BJP even put on the charade of being truly representative of the larger Hindu sentiment and philosophy in India ? Elections 2009 exposes the BJP for what it truly is; an obscurantist, fanatical group of religious die-hards masquerading as a political party , without any coherent political agenda, economic program or social policy. It is a defunct unit, surviving on some strange gobbledygook speak.
Re: nonsense
by nimit patel on Apr 21, 2009 12:01 PM
Gandhi family not able to develop their constituency in last 60 years and they are telling to develop india???
still voters are judging BJP as communal and preefering congress how???
when MODI told congress 125 yrs budhiya, priyanka told that " main sonia aur rahul aapko buddhe dikhte hai "
what it means??? it means congress is only sonia, rahul and priyanka this is their mentality....
priyanka is in amethi from last one month why??? because she dont have confidence to win???
why sonia and rahul is playing in smallest constituency??? they dont have confidence???
when sonia and kapil sibble telling others to put in to jail.. is it in their hand??? people who are in jail they cant hang them???
congress had done alliance with left, mayawati, sp, rld, rjp and jmm and all other criminals... and they all are talking about BJP a hindu party and communal party...
who is boold suckers , BJP a communal party or congress a ally of criminals... how can a party call communal who is thinking about 85% people of india...
there is BJP in 10 state of india, muzlims are not living there?? muzlims are not doing job?? if u are talking about gujarat or MP or Bihar.. muzlim got killed all over in lat 10 yrs??? then why congres is just crying on name of muzlim... its really sad for muzlims who just feel congress can uplift them, but congress didnt do any thing for them in last 60 yrs... except telling them if BJP will win u will get killed....
In Maharashtra... praise Shivaji who fought tooth and nail with Moghuls...but let nobody follow him
In Bengal ...praise Subhash Chandra Bose...but let nobody follow him
In Punjab ... praise Bhagat singh...but let nobody follow him
In Rajasthan... may be praise Maharana Pratap... but let nobody follow him
In INDIA only brand GANDHI is promoted and all other leaders ( Shivaji, Rana pratap, Rani Laxmibai, Veer Savarkar, Subhash Babu, Bhagat Singh) are marginalised and regionalised.
India needs unification through high Nationalism and not through divisive Gandhigiri.
Re: Re: Congress strategy...
by First Hindu on Apr 21, 2009 12:00 PM
As of now Congress has the only the face and the head...rest the whole organisation is pinned only on famil contacts, influences and money (earned for 60 yrs)...such organisation could last only for next few years...in 2015 congress will be no where...
All other so called parties are same types and congress breakouts...with no real future as they are run by icon netas only but no cadre attached to the idealogy.
Bhindranwale: Creation of Indira Gandhi and Sanjay Gandhi. Khalistan movement was started by him. The rest is history. 1984 anti-Sikh riots: Who was behind it? Congress 1989 Bhagalpur riots: Congress contribution to the nation. Babri Masjid: Which party was ruling the country when Babri Masjid came down? Congress. Why did not they send in the army in the first place before the structure was razed? Because of vested interests. Congress wanted the structure to come down to please the Hindus and thereafter to appease the Muslims in the name of Babri Masjid. Ram Sethu Project: Look at the affidavits filed by the Congress led Government in the Supreme Court. Even Congress members are ashamed of the type of affidavits filed, including the one saying Lord Rama is a fictional character. And today Sonia is quoting Lord Rama for electoral gains! Aam Aadmi: Congress remembers the aam aadmi only during electiions. The Gharibi Hatao slogan started in the 1970 by the Congress and they are hataoing Gharibi, after ruling the country for more than 50 years! Swiss money: Congress is asking silly questions about the disclosures, but not coming out with concrete answers for bringing back the money, Why? Perhaps the dynasty will stand exposed. The above are only a few examples. One can go on and on....
Re: Re: List of Congress achievements!!!!!
by Jiggs on Apr 21, 2009 11:53 AM
Manmohan claims to have been pained by the incident then, however, he dint deem it fit to resign from his cabinet post then as compared to his willingness to resign as PM if the Nuke deal dint pass. Speaks for Priorities.
Re: Re: Re: List of Congress achievements!!!!!
by Vivek Chandra on Apr 21, 2009 11:59 AM
Obviously nuclear deal is much more important. MMS is damn right here and anybody who deems mosque is/was important is unaware of the reality of poverty.
Re: Re: Re: Re: List of Congress achievements!!!!!
by Jiggs on Apr 21, 2009 12:15 PM
Exactly then why should any BJP leader apologize for the issue then. Nuclear Deal = SELL OUT.
Both these big parties are a bunch of jokers and hypcrtes instead of speaking on development issues only thing they do is harp abt babri masjid, kandahar etc etc. We seriously need to think abt a new young party with new ideas both these parties have failed miserably.
Re: damn it
by Secularismsucks on Apr 21, 2009 11:38 AM
Imran...Dude, you done with the Congress already? I am still with the BJP as I dont want Congress back again, the only option is the BJP.
Re: Re: damn it
by Imran on Apr 21, 2009 11:42 AM
I always told u I was never a die-hard supporter of congress but for us bjp is no option it is better to be safe than sorry. Congress just uses muslms during elections it has no genuine feelings towards muslms all is eye-wash
Re: Re: Re: damn it
by ishan indra on Apr 21, 2009 12:07 PM
Imran being a hindu i dont think thr are any party in this country who can really bring development to any of us, neither hindu nor muslim. Caste and religion comes only when vote require, Bjp pampers hindu's and congress pampers the muslim. But one who comes to power does nothing for any of the religion and we r the sufferers. Ur true safty is necessery but being practical do u think that any of us r safe in this country. I dont think so, My muslim n hindu brothers died b'coz of this terrorist organisation. wht steps r taken for that. dont u wanna stay safe from them. wht did congress do stop this they r ruling for more than 50 steps. nothing buddy nothing
Re: Black money
by Vivek Chandra on Apr 21, 2009 11:53 AM
Because more than 20 years of Bofors bakwas led us to nowhere. This produced nothing but allegations and more allegations.
during this time BJP was in office for more than a term and they also could not/did not do much in this regards.
Re: Re: Black money
by Jiggs on Apr 21, 2009 11:57 AM
Bofors Bakwaas...I am sure you meant following: 1. CBI de freezing Ottavio's bank accounts 2. CBI letttin him flee from Malaysia 3. CBI letting him flee from Argentina. This was bakwaas which is certain.
Re: Re: Re: Black money
by Vivek Chandra on Apr 21, 2009 12:03 PM
In any defence deal middlemen are involved. Maybe fair maybe unfair but this is how international deals were done, maybe not anymore or maybe next time we'll have Adnan Khassogi as middleman. When I say bakwas I mean the effort to implicate Indian PM.
Hence it is proved SONIA is just giving a lip service to Maharaj and actually she is not in favour of what Maharaj did that is reinstating HINDAVI SWARAJYA and SURAJYA...
