Tamilians are not fool as thought by Karuna. Small issue like Sethu has been highlighted by Karuna beyond proportions as he dont have any good points to defend. Cong never build Sethu as huge north indians (hindu) votes are at stake. Karuna dont fool Tamil people
Re: karuna's tactic
by Tajinder Virdi on Apr 19, 2009 01:24 PM Permalink
Mr Iyer and all other like wise South-ward thinking Nationalist citizens.Bravo! we are proud of your "North Indian bashing" mentality.God only knows when you all will join the mainsteam and become real INDIANS.God bless you all.
Re: Re: karuna's tactic
by trikarn on Apr 19, 2009 02:03 PM Permalink
where is the bashing u r talking about? and prAy what do u mean by real indians? such a creature never existed and will never exist! u know what churchill said of india? INDIA IS NO MORE A COUNTRY THAN THE EQUATOR! I THINK THE OLD MAN WAS RIGHT!
Re: karuna's tactic
by rajaraman madhan on Apr 19, 2009 01:13 PM Permalink
We had already become fools when we selected an actress as our chief minister twice in 1991 & 2001. If you wanna vote to Jaya again you are continuing to be a fool. I think you dislike karunanidhi why because you are a brahmin. Can you tell me what wrong deeds karunanidhi did for brahmins and what kinds of facilities had been announced by jaya to brahmins in past. I'm also a brahmin and being proud as brahmin. But I do not blame karunanidhi. why because he did so many good things to Tamil Nadu than any other chief minister. Before writing some thing please think twice and write. Karuna is the only reason behind the improvement of Tamil Nadu by improving its infrastructure. Can you say that jaya did take to improve the welfare of the people of tamil nadu? She is proving that she is a very good actress in politics also.
Re: Re: karuna's tactic
by trikarn on Apr 19, 2009 02:04 PM Permalink
RIGHT U ARE MADHANJI, IT WAS THIS JAYA WHO HUMILIATED THE ACHARYA OF KANCHI AND DID IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE TO THE KANCHI MUTT!
By getting into this argument about Hindi vs Tamil, Brahmins vs non- Brahmins, we're falling neatly into the trap the political class have lais for us- follow emotive, volatile, divisive identity politics rather than rational, integrative, issue- based development politics.
Why BJP election manifesto is like a compilation of chain emails in circulation? full of stories. stories from dark age rule listed as achievements that indians should be proud of? which indians? and then a section of empty promises. give us a break.
why is it that wherever Tamils go, they are never happy? Why is that sadness is Tamil people's constant companion? Whether it is eelam or in India, they are always disturbed, can start rioting any moment. When MGR died, why did Tamils start rioting? Was it Hindi speakers fault that MGR died? Moreover they hate Hindi and Hindi speakers like anything. Go to Tamilnadu and look at anything written in Hindi. You will be lucky if you find one. Even at Railway stations, the names of those stations written in Hindi have been blackened while English and Tamil names are unharmed. I think Tamils are dark-skinned Englishmen. When Tamils hate Hindi so much, why should I consider Tamils to be my fellow citizens. Because India = Hindia. If you don't like, kindly leave and form your own country in your own state.
Re: sadness chases tamils?
by Ravichandran Rajamannar on Apr 19, 2009 12:14 PM Permalink
It is a miracle that India is holding up as a single entity despite several political machinations that created Bindranwales, educated naxalites, separate demands from Kashmir & Tamilnadu, extremist elements from North East and muslim community. I agree with you that Tamils have been having problems in many countries (occupied by Tamil Chola Kings several centuries back / resettled by British) in Srilanka, Malaysia and Singapore to some extent. The reason can be that they are conservative in nature and are visible as a distincy group. But, they donot mean any harm to anyone unless attacked / provoked. It is a big lie that Hindi speaking were killed when MGR died. In fact, on the contrary, sikhs were protected in Madras/Chennai when Indira Gandhi was assasinated while thousands of them were killed elsewhere in India. If you understand the speciality of mother tongue (for any civilisation) spoken for thousands of years (btw, tamil language is considered by historians as more ancient than most other langauges in the world and it existed in Lemuria / Gondwana land), you will appreciate that nother language can replace it including Hindi. Just to set the facts right, India as a motely collection of provinces was achieved by iron man Patel during independence. Hindi is a cross between Sanskrit and Urdu happened in the recent past and you cannot force it down the throat of Tamils who have been speaking the language for thousands of years. Pls donot stereotype any community.
Re: Re: sadness chases tamils?
by Virtual Insider on Apr 19, 2009 02:35 PM Permalink
Ravichandran is an Idli sambhar guy...Spineless fellows these Tamils are...Useless on the Nation's soil...
Re: Re: sadness chases tamils?
by vasanth on Apr 19, 2009 12:35 PM Permalink
Ravchandran we have all rights to protect an language but we dont have right to blacken hindi....we should apologize for whats happening in Tamil nadu....also understand that only Hinduism is the power that holds India.and we have the aethist and the the mullahs plaaning to disentegrate our religion on basis of language and i think this fool lutiya is part of the italian kangress or and isi agent
Re: sadness chases tamils?
by Desh Premi on Apr 19, 2009 11:51 AM Permalink
lutiya,
stop barking, what is so great being a hindi? I speak hindi as this is mother tongue. Except for communication, all languages ceased to be cultural identities. In the present day of info and knowledge, there is little role for any Indian language. Dont forget this. The way you are expecting others to know Hindi, many in south demand that the northies learn all the south indian languages
Re: sadness chases tamils?
by arun kumar on Apr 19, 2009 12:15 PM Permalink
Don't expect Tamils to speak hindi..It's not only hard to learn but it also doesn't have any value more than Tamil..If you want to speak with us, you learn Tamil..then you will get some sense..
Re: Re: sadness chases tamils?
by Umesh DK on Apr 19, 2009 12:56 PM Permalink
I still don't understand why we find it so difficult in learning another language. What's the loss in learning another langauge. Infact we will gain knowledge than losing. Above all why this hatred towards one langauge.
Re: sadness chases tamils?
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 12:00 PM Permalink
Be more rational and realistic in what you are writing.A child in non Hindi speaking states has to learn three languages-English his mother tongue Hindi whereas a child in Hindi speaking belt has to learn only one language-Hindi.Why disparity in a nation.With all respects to Hindi speaking population,I ask one question-have they ever tried to learn any other language.They want everything in Hindi because by that,they will be in an advantageous position.When I came to UP and Bihar I never knew a bit of Hindi,but today after 47 years,I can given public speeches in chaste Hindi which even the Hindians cannot.Nobody can recognize me as a Tamilian when I talk in Hindi.Contrary to this see a Hindi speaking person staying in Bangalore or Chennai for the past 10 years.He cant understand or speak the local languages,but carries on his work with his broken English.My dear friend,dont be so parochial.Come out of your nest and see what is happening in the world outside.Parameswaran
Re: Re: sadness chases tamils?
by Virtual Insider on Apr 19, 2009 02:39 PM Permalink
These marans ravindrans nad parameswarans are like cockroaches in people's Ar_se...
Re: sadness chases tamils?
by Niranjan on Apr 19, 2009 02:24 PM Permalink
"If you don't like, kindly leave and form your own country in your own state." -- That was what demanded by Periyar and Anna. But the business class people who had settled in Tamilnadu had prevented formation of separate Dravida Nadu. Had it been formed the region have prospered. The North Indian businessmen have settled in South India to do business as British did in India.
Re: sadness chases tamils?
by Onlooker on Apr 19, 2009 11:50 AM Permalink
i think tamils are happy and prosperous that when in an underdeveloped places they invoke the jealousy of unintelligent people. why hindians expect everything in TN in tamil just because TN joined indian union from 1947. was it ever the case since the world was born? why then all this fuss from hindian losers?
Re: sadness chases tamils?
by vasanth on Apr 19, 2009 12:25 PM Permalink
can u please tell ue real name.if ur pakistani then i need not answer ur Questions and if ur an Indian yes i will answer u...........it is the kangress rule which was responsible for all this mess.i too know the attitude is wrong.hindi should be considered like all other languages.anyways the generation now is knowning thetruth and power ofhindi and soon it will gud to know all languages will be audibile all in India
i have seen all your postings and the real face behind this venomous message. You are a brahmin basher and making a mockery at the brahmins in all your messages
I never knew that the antibrahminism is at this level in Tamilnadu. I pity brahmins in TN and wonder how they are putting bup with this kind of animosity
For setting highest standars of living, learning and community development, brahmins need a seperate indian state where it is 99% brahmins.
Within ten years , i can prove that the state will become a model state for the world , where knowledge, hardwork and intelligence will be occupying prime place. The world will know , an intelligent hardworking species , far superior to Israeli JEWS , exists in this world.
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by Virtual Insider on Apr 19, 2009 02:41 PM Permalink
Bramhins are leaf eating, grass eating herbivore animals who don't need any state...They need wastelands with lots of grass and plants...They will never have children as they don't eat onions and SC_REW their wives...Useless fellows...
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by sidddharth on Apr 19, 2009 11:10 AM Permalink
had 10000 yrs of reservation. so is it surprising tht u are ahead by a generation or two in terms of education,culture? others are fast catching up and they will.
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 10:43 AM Permalink
Well said Sivan.Demands are made always by lethargic people,who do not want to work,but expect everything from the State.Brahmins never made any demands and took everything in their own stride and that is why they are occupying the highest positions world over.Intellectual class in TN have come only from TN eg.Dr.Radhakrishnan,Dr.CV Raman,Dr.Subramaniam Chandrasekhar,RK Narayan,RK Laxman,mathematician Ramanujan,Rt.Hon.Srinivasa Iyenger,Rajaji,saint Thyagaraja,MS Subbalakshmi,Vishwanathan Anand,Dr.Rangarajan and the list is unending.Why even Dr Abdul Kalam is on record saying that his growth was largely due to his being brought up in Agraharam surroundings of Rameswaram by which though Muslim he developed Brahmin culture.While others were fighting in the streets, creating hooliganism,anarchy,begging for obligations through reservations,Brahmins concentrated on education and achieved the targets they set for themselves.We are the only community which dies not have any grievance against anybody.That is why despite being relegated to virtual outcastes in TN,they still are far ahead of others.If government service is not available,we looked for alternatives like private sector jobs,jobs abroad,business etc. but never go abegging for favours through reservations.We have always grown through our own merits.Even the so called deprived classes of TN when coming to religious or marriage functions in their homes,call a Brahmin priest.Now even priests have become in the process.
Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 10:48 AM Permalink
Parameswaran, Brahmins are a generation or two ahead in Education. When you look back 30 or 40 years, Brahmins were the only educated. That is the reason why they are in good post and position. It is not because they are superior species.
Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 11:02 AM Permalink
I never said that they are superior.I only say that attitudinal change by the so called lower castes is required if they have to develop.Merely doing street fighting and indulging in stone throwing,bus burning,creating anarchy etc.will lead them to nowhere.First thing they should do is to shed their inferiority complex,stop asking for reservations and try to come up by their own merits,as was done by the Blacks in US.Secondly,if you go back to history,Brahmins learned only the Vedas in those days,including the 50 year period that you are mentioning,but with the change in the world scenario they also changed their routes.Why cant others follow these steps.For your information,I am 66 years old and have seen the third generation Brahmins growing.In my own case I started my career as a steno in a Tata group company with a qualification of just matriculation,but grew to the level of DGM in 31 years.People who joined the company with me retired as clerks and stenos.This was because I accepted every opportunity that came my way and grew in the company.So at the end of the day,it is the attitude of the person that will make or break him.You cant change the world,but you can change yourselve.Parameswaran
Re: Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 11:22 AM Permalink
It's really a good feeling to blog with you sir. I'm in 20s and I have been inspired by Vedas recently and I'm trying to be a student. The reason for my writing is the way mr.sivan projects Brahmins as a sep breed. My question here is, Brahmins had been following vedas for a long time and why had they been so restrictive and not taken any effort to spread its meaning & vedic principles to other people?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 11:40 AM Permalink
U r right Arvind.Brahmins' main job was to inculcate vedas to others.But there r two parties to this,the teacher & the taught.Unfortunately,the supposed to be taught never came forward to learn the vedas and the teachers also failed in their duty.Generations gone by,Brahmins looked down upon other communities as untouchables and I admit that this was the fallacy of the Brahmins.But what is the use of attacking the present generation Brahmins for the mistakes of ther forefathers.If we do so,we should also accept Babri Masjid demolition because that was done by fanatics for what the Muslims of the gone by era did to the Hindus.Why do we have double standards.Yes that is what Indian politics is.There was a time when Brahmins ill treated other communities - this is a fact, let us accept it.But what is happening today.So called leaders of Dalits,tribals,adivasis etc. are treating their own community people like stree dogs.Intra community fighting is the most common scene in the Hindi speaking belt.Criminals and hooligans have taken over the reins in this country.All of us,especially younger generation people like you,should come forward to bring in change.Yes we can. Parameswaran
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 11:25 AM Permalink
According to me, if any one who just understands a jist of vedic principles will be greatly inspired and can be a better person. There is no teaching happening else where other than restrictive brahmin group. I think this is the reason for so much of disbelief and cast changes.
Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by Virtual Insider on Apr 19, 2009 02:43 PM Permalink
These Marans, Ravichandrans, Parameswarans are like cockroaches in people's A_RSES...Dirty living beings....
Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 10:49 AM Permalink
Going forward in few years, all people from different classes will be on par as all are getting educated..I bet you
Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 11:09 AM Permalink
Arvind,I want that and I will sincerely pray for that day to come sooner than later.Parameswaran
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by SKvel on Apr 19, 2009 11:57 AM Permalink
The problem is poor understanding of the reality. Even in a separate state you will need people of different skills and quality to do all types of jobs. Israel is an isolated place and they are facing lots of problems from the other side of the world. The very attitude of keeping away from the general mass is wrong. It is very true that a section of people are oppressed. It would be prudent to understand entire history and sociology of a few generations and come to a conclusion of what is right and wrong.
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 10:53 AM Permalink
Guys STOP RESPONDING to this nonsense writeup by mr.Sivan. Vist esotericteaching(dot)org to know what is the real brahminism
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arun kumar on Apr 19, 2009 11:45 AM Permalink
why 99%, do you want a single percent other people to beg for money using god name?
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by White Tiger on Apr 19, 2009 11:04 AM Permalink
today brahmins feel insecure and inferior of themselves... that is the reason they are shouting like this...
Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by Niranjan on Apr 19, 2009 02:48 PM Permalink
Many of the boarders here who are brahmins raise hue and cry on reading Tanjai Sivan's comments. Actually, the brahmins are using this Board to ventilate their hate towards non-brahmins and their leaders.
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by In Sane on Apr 19, 2009 10:11 AM Permalink
If you are referring to the caste, sorry to say you are absolutely wrong. Everybody craves for power and make the state into many pieces. 10 years are too long. In one year time, the state will go for dogs. Brahmins are generally known for clerical work. Kshatriyas should govern, Brahmins should implement it. If you are referring to Brahmans yes you may be right the state can become a model state in the whole world.
Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 10:39 AM Permalink
This is the problem with so called Bhramins. They think them self far superior and of separate breed... but the irony is they don't know the real meaning of brahmin. Brahmin is just a title or grade for one who follows does devotional service to God and ANYBODY CAN BECOME ONE. IT IS NOT A SECT OR BREED. (Reference: Vedas)
Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 10:51 AM Permalink
You are absolutely right.Why dont you tell this to Mayavati who has been time and again attacking Manu for caste creations.Manu in his work has only said that a man should be known by his profession.If a dalit can follow the rules meant for Brahmins,he can also become a Brahmin.But the problem is that everyone wants to become a Brahmin without working for it.Marxists tried to do this in Kerala by appointing socalled low casts as temple priests.Net result was that people stopped going to temples where Pujas were conducted by these people and the system had to be withdrawn.I agree that today's Brahmin is one by his sacred thread only,not by his deeds.All said and done,can you deny that the intellectuals always came from Brahmin community.That is because Brahmins changed their tact with change of time as proclaimed by Krishna in Gita - change is the rule of nature and people who dont accept change will remain backward always. Read what I have written in one the messages above about Brahmins and then draw your conclusions.Parameswaran
Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 10:59 AM Permalink
I am not denying on the fact that many intellectuals are & were brahmins. But I strongly oppose you for referring it as a COMMUNITY. It would be more factual to say that those who follow vedas & its principles will be superior in all aspects of life and any one who desires can be one.
Re: Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 11:05 AM Permalink
I think you have yourself answered my question.Instead of pulling down the Brahmins,why dont we elevate the entire population to Brahmins.Parameswaran
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 11:10 AM Permalink
I am not in an intention to pull down brahmins...for God sake. I am really not convinced with the unrealistic pride of Brahmins today, without them actually practice it and making it a community. And, people need to understand Brahminism to put themselves in the path of esoteric knowledge.
Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by arvind kumar on Apr 19, 2009 10:41 AM Permalink
Present day Brahmins are NO MORE REAL BRAHMINS. They forgot the meaning and they made it a class or sect. THEY EXIST ONLY FOR NAME...
Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by SKvel on Apr 19, 2009 11:30 AM Permalink
I agree with your contention and universally the human race matches with animals in terms of DNA by 97%. The biological functions of everyone is not any different from the others. People have forgotten ideologies have been created a group which became a race, creed, class and caste inclduing religion. The differences among people is going to exist for ever because of the simple reason that everyone wants to be unique. There has to be more understanding of Sociology and evolution of every community. There is a great analysis on Hindus and even Brahmins by American Sociologists. There has to be a broader understanding and it is sad our Caste Hindus are willing to accept and follow any other white skin but not our own people
Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by Azhar khan on Apr 19, 2009 02:07 PM Permalink
Do u want to make riots like 1947 & 1984 how the muslims & punjabis suffer in the riots many of innocent women & children were killed for this type of view by some of stupids like u
Re: Re: Re: BRAHMINS NEED A SEPERATE INDIAN STATE
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 11:49 AM Permalink
Let us all agree on one thing.There cant be uniformity among people.As the English saying goes "birds of the same feather flock together".Equality is not possible and even communists failed in their attempts to create egalitarian societies.Humans by nature are selfish.We are all trying to grab each other's wealth,but as Gita says -"we have brought nothing with us and are not going to take back anything with us when we die.Whatever we have, was there and will be there.What is today ours,was somebody else's yesterday and will be somebody else's tomorrow.So why are we fighting for something which is not ours".If we understand the meaning of this and practice it truthfully,there will be no problems.Parameswaran
my experience is that Tamils are good people and this is becoz they are God fearing.Before undertaking any wrong task they are constrained to think both aspects of the situation.I dont deny that they are not corrupt ...like madam Jayalalitha and others but exceptions apart corruption in entire India is wide spread and rampant.I can definitely say it is less than what the situation is when you get close to North India ir delhi to be precise.
Re: tamils are God fearing
by lutiya doobi on Apr 19, 2009 08:37 AM Permalink
I feel that Tamils as a community are a burden on India. They should just form a nation with their eelam brothers in Lanka and leave India in peace.
Re: Re: tamils are God fearing
by abishek on Apr 19, 2009 10:56 AM Permalink
are u mad....Lutiya doobi.. I think if we take out south Indians states like TN, Kerala, AP, Karnataka from India, DO u know what is india's GDP, Growth Rate, etc is less than 2. BUt if we take out bihar, UP, MP, Jharkand... then it will be more than 15. MAD understand that... In srilanka.. singala people detroying tamil people. they just doing genocide.. see thats what tamil people are worrying... you idiot,, dont cry like this... fool... India is our country.. dont talk rubbish like this... moreover tamil nadu is the most peacful state in india. Do you after mumbai attack.. England team only accepted to play chennai not other cities of india. even mohali also they were just not intersted.. but finally they agreed.. see idiot. ok
Re: Re: tamils are God fearing
by White Tiger on Apr 19, 2009 09:21 AM Permalink
you moron.. do you think north india is in heaven.. you are most frequently attacked by pakistan terrorist and maoist.. actully north indian states like biharm, uP, Rajasthan, Jharkand are the real burden.. go and read some econonmics.. don't bluff here.. TN is one of the most peacefull states...
Re: Re: tamils are God fearing
by navin chawla on Apr 19, 2009 08:55 AM Permalink
pls have mercy on yourself and us and donot use irresponsible words against any one.India is a huge country and since we have opted for asecular fae let us all live here gracefully and with pride as proud Indians
Re: Re: tamils are God fearing
by parameswaran K on Apr 19, 2009 11:14 AM Permalink
You are talking as if rest of India is peaceful.Comparatively TN is very peaceful.For the Hindi speaking belt,to catch up with TN will take 1000 years.Dont talk nonsense dear friend.If you have the guts,identify yourself instead of getting camouflaged.You are an anti national and are more interested in breaking the nation and to me it looks like that you areMuslim. Parameswaran
Re: Re: tamils are God fearing
by tapas chakraborty on Apr 19, 2009 09:46 AM Permalink
its too pity to read your mind. thats why we all indian will never develop. come out of regionalism and behave like and indian, not like tamil, bihari.. bla bla,, other wise confind yourself in your home.
Re: Re: Re: tamils are God fearing
by Balasubamanyam Sundar on Apr 19, 2009 10:03 AM Permalink
Well said tapas! iam sure your tapas that we will all be united and will defeat these divide and rule regional political parties will surely suceed one day
Re: A burden on India...
by ram ran on Apr 19, 2009 08:43 AM Permalink
brother, pls dont get to conclusion but just seeing political talk.. Remember, many Indian Honour are brought by every other community in India.. to bring it your kind notice, Population in srilanka in 1947, singali - 65 lakh & tamil - 35 lakh... in 2008, singali - 1.75 crore & tamil still - 35 lakh.. Pls understand, as a human we should never let any race to kill the other.. Its afterall a humanity & not just tamil feeling.. talk with sense in public forum.. Ofcourse, dont forget, being 3rd highest tax payers, 2nd highest FDI deposits, 2nd largest IT destination, 2nd largest auto & auto ancillary, 7% of total indian population, high network across globe where 7 countries tamil is a national language, we could very well run our own government.. But, Indian spirit every citizen (excluding politician, to be honest we do not have not even one good human in TN politics) make them binding with rest of all sisters & brothers in India.. We believe in "Vazhga Tamizh" & "Jai Hind".. Remember, JAIHO is made few yards from my home in chennai..
