Re: Re: Re: Re: Fact
by Prakash Chandra on Apr 15, 2009 08:52 AM
You are allowed to take any number of name. I am busy with how to get Bharat Ratna for you.
Re: food for thought
by Against Pseudos on Apr 15, 2009 08:15 AM
Rajendran:
Let me answer this one.
BJP wouldn't have released Kasab for the simple reason that no one is demanding his release anyway.
Who is demanding Kasab's release that UPA is steadfastly refusing?
I will repeat: Kandahar episode was a "fait accompli"... any government would have done the same in that situation. Short of blowing up the plane (or wait for it to be blown up by the hijackers), there wasn't really much that could have been done.
Re: Re: food for thought
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 08:25 AM
are you aware of how dreaded was Massood, he butchered innocent kashmir pandits and killed thousands of innocents and was building terrorist camp, we caught him sacrificing the lives of brave soldiers.
i am only drawing parrallel.. if today their was 100% similar hijack situation.
what would have been the first implication of releasing kasab in exchange.
all the brave people who lost of there lives who have no meaning. we would be labelled a spinelss country, who gave up without even trying another option. teh terrorist would have the last laugh.
Re: Re: Re: food for thought
by Against Pseudos on Apr 15, 2009 08:41 AM
Rajendran:
I can do no more than quote P. Chidambaram in January 2009:
================================ ..home minister P Chidambaram said he was "not sure" and that it was a "very difficult" decision.
"I do not know how I would have reacted if 150 families came to my door and pleaded that their loved ones in that aircraft must be saved. It is easy to criticize but if one is in that position, it is a very difficult decision," he said at an award function here on Wednesday night.
He was asked about some governments in the world having taken a pledge not to ever negotiate with terrorists and whether India should also embrace that principle or was it far too over simplistic.
"It is a wholesome principle but I agree that it is an over-simplification....I am not sure. I don't know whether it can be applied in all situations," Chidambaram said. =========================
BTW, if your desription of Masood is so correct, then I would have presumed he should have gotten the guillotine (figuratively speaking) much earlier.... (without going into WHO should have done that or not done that)...
Do you think Afzal has the potential of wreaking similar havoc? or not?
Re: food for thought
by Vasanth Srinivas on Apr 15, 2009 08:18 AM
For your kind information, Kasab was not in the mission to "Hijack" people for ransome. his mission is to kill people. KILL PEOPLE. He achieved it and got arrested. Dont compare apples and oranges. If you want to thrash BJP, raise some other issue. Not this one.
Re: food for thought
by crazi sagittarian on Apr 15, 2009 09:35 AM
Who asked your Congress/UPA/leftist to feed him with biryani and serve Kasab with Sonia and Priyanka? why don't the govt put him on fast track trail and execute him?
Why not Afzal Guru is not hanged even though he is convicted. Why they are feeding him with biryani and wine??
You ppl are real threat to internal security of India.
Yesterday Priyanka said nobody is gentler than MK Gandhi (Mahatma). But was he really that gentle?
If MK Gandhi was really gentle, why he could not accept the rules of democracy? When Netaji was elected as president of Congress defeating Pattabhi Sitaramaiah who had backing of MK Gandhi, MK Gandhi could not digest the fact and bitterly said that Pattabhi’s defeat is his personal defeat, and then created such situation that Netaji had to leave Congress in a huff.
If MK Gandhi really loved Indians, why he was interested in dominion status and not full independence as Netaji was looking forward to?
The fact is MK Gandhi fooled the South Indians is South Africa to please the british, and they were so impressed with him that he was forced upon Indians as a great leader. And till date Nehru-Gandhi family is fooling Indians by using him and his name to rule over this country. So Priyanka using the name of MK Gandhi is nothing new.
Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 08:10 AM
tehey saved 200..what about the 3000 in gujarath did they die by themselves
Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Vasanth Srinivas on Apr 15, 2009 08:23 AM
No. The riots started after Godhra incident. Why no one talk about Godhra. only about Post godhra. SIT has given statement on the spiced up incidents of post Godhra by Teesta Satalvad and other NGOs. Truth is coming out. I wont justify the killing of innocent muslims in Gujarat. When a riot comes, everyone dies. You forgot about 1992 bomb blasts? Post Babri Masjid demolition....? A riot is a riot. Thats it. Dont allow to take up your life by your emotional senseless feelings. Where were you during Partition of India that killed not thousands, but lakhs in North India. Why just talk about only 3000?
Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 15, 2009 08:37 AM
Suresh Rajendran, The UPA govt. submitted their formal reply in Lok Sabha, in response to a question in the House, on the GUjarat Riots. And mind you, this was (and still is) the official submission in LS on this subject. The Response says that 950 people were killed in Gujarat riots of 2002. Out of this, 700 were Muslims and the rest Hindus and a small no. of people from other religions. The reason for the riots (as submitted in Lok Sabha, you can check it up) - Hindu Community unrest due to mass killing of Hindu pilgrims in Sabarmati express by a mob of Muslims. And mind you, this is the official response of the UPA govt. submitted in Lok Sabha in 2005, by Mr. Sriprakash Jaiswal, the Union Minister of State for Home Affairs. (he is the Cong. MP from Kanpur, UP). So, now Mr. Suresh Rajendran, go figure..!!! Let's see you spilling your bile all over the place over a Communal BJP and a secular Congrees. Facts are Facts, irrespective of your ideological thinking.
Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 08:43 AM
okay my bad not 3000 but 950 people...what is the your point.
and i dont care if its that religion or this religon...i dont care....to me its inhuman to kill out hatredness.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 15, 2009 08:52 AM
Uncle, Where is the abusive language in my post? when your point gets rebutted, it becomes abuse?? The points being made are- 1. What happened in 2002 was borne out of hatred.. Correct. But what makes you think that one community has to sing bhajans , while the other burns them like timber? There is something called retribution for such non-defensible behavior. No matter how sophisticated a human becomes, the base instinct of defense, survival, retribution will never go away. What will you do t'row if your parents are burnt by a mob, which is out to kill for your parents religion?? Write Pseud posts in rediff?? Let me put it the other way - Had 55 muslim pilgrims returning from Haj been surrounded by a mob of 1000 hindus and burnt them up systematically, i don't think any fly in this country would have even attempted it's defense..like you and your ilk have done all these years. this entire country would have exploded. muslims would have torn apart everything in their way. 2. When the secular govt. (Cong) says that 950 ppl. have been killed, a good no.of those killed happened to be Hindus. On the other hand, the same govt. 15 years earlier says, 3000 Sikhs have been massacred in National capital, why are you adopting double standards? What happened in 2002 is non-defensible by civility. Then why is congress called secular when they did much worse all these years? That's the double standard which is not acceptable, no matter what spin you put.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 09:08 AM
i was polite to you vijay, and you are taunting me.
tried to bring some decency in this forum where its filled with so much abuse.
no wonder they abuse..its because of people like you.
you are actually provoking me to give you a choicest name to satisfy my ego...but i will not fall in that trap...all i can do is smile and pity on immature mind like you.
you call me whatever you want in your desperation.
i will not support parties which are trying to come to power by harping and kindling emotive issues in people like you.
Divisive politic will be defeated and is not permanent.
to remove fundamentalist we need to bring back Manmohan singh to educate fundamentalist, downtrodden and finally people like you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 10:00 AM
i did not notice that you used an example which was sick
This is why i will refrain from replying to people like you...its nothing short of a sick mentality.
let me reply in your own words.
if your Parents were butchered and burnt alinve by a mob...would you become one of those filmi heroes to save the world and avenge there deaths.
Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 08:37 AM
somebody was talking about BJP saved 200 lives...in that context...it does not make sense, lot of people had lost life due to sponsored attacks, why did not they save then.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 15, 2009 09:24 AM
My dear Suresh, Instead of facing facts (in response to your propaganda), you choose to adopt the typical leftist tactic. When you call someone mass murderer, it's expression of your freedom to opiniate. When a response comes, it's vile,provocation,trap et.al. When you call someone "fundamentalist, downtrodden and finally people like you" (ur words, not mine), it's an attempt to enlighten. When someone responds, it's an attempt to divide politic. Basically you are just canvassing for Congress and the current PM.Accept it. It's perfectly acceptable for someone to say they support congress and seek votes for them (even on this board). Don't try to push urself in some ideological corner for doing that. You started this all by calling a party all kinds of names. When faced with facts, you attempt to change the topic. Why don't you ask our (pls.note the word "OUR", not your) PM- the same PM as to why did he authorise a report (the only official report in LS) which says that the reason for the riots was Hindu angst against Muslim butchery? It should have instead said "Fundamentalist sponsored, inspired by blood thirst of a communal party". BTW, i am not supporting Narendra Modi, BJP or their politics (in case you care). I am only responding to your diatribe, which is fashionably and so pathetically couched in Pseudo-secular language, which is actually partisan. Seek votes for Manmohan Singh and congress, by all means, but don't go about distorting facts.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 09:46 AM
surprised to see such a big response. do i look like someone canvassing at this hour of 12 midnight...
there was debate and it was interesting..and i was a participant.
forget canvassing i will not even be able to vote.
that's the sad part.
whoever comes to power, BJP or congress...let the poor people of india be benefited and get equal opportunities as us.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Against Pseudos on Apr 15, 2009 08:50 AM
Rajendran:
As I said, the matter is sub-judice. So I don't even know whether your accusation of they being "sponsored attacks" are true or not; or whether they were sponsored by whom.
As to your question on saving lives; you have a point. But as I mentioned earlier, we haven't seen this for the first time, and we know the reasons why governments, though swift to react, are unable to save all lives...
I cannot answer your question in any better fashion or any fairer than what I have attempted...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi: well done. need more people like you.
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 09:49 AM
well if there was intention to save lives..that will be more than enough..bye man have good day
We have politicians who create regional and religious hatred, politicians who oppose projects like Tata Nano for political gains.
We can change our political system by voting for the right person and persuading/educating people around you to vote for the right person.
Loksatta led by Jayaprakash Narayan(Former IAS)is the only party which said it will not use 1) Money 2) Liquor 3) Religious hatred 4) Regional hatred to win in elections.
It is the only party which said it will not go for strikes to protest against government polocies but will protest in a democratic way.
For a country like India which has a 14% power deficiency importing nuclear technology for power generation is very important. Loksatta is the only party which was not part of the UPA (ruling coilation) which supported the Nuclear deal and urged other parties to support the deal which is very essential for our country.
When govt increased fuel prices because of the increased prices in gulf countries all oppositon parties did unfruitful works like using bullock carts to goto assembly. But loksatta is the only party which said we should reduce our dependency on oil (petrol) we should start using unconventional resources and fuel efficient technologies.
It is the only party which talks about providing good education and health facilities,infrastructure. I request all of you to vote and encourage people around to vote. Let us all contribute by voting for the right person and campaign for parties like Loksatta
Modi need not say he is a small man to reply on behalf of Advani who he says has not responded to the PM's statements.From the way he has responded it is very evident that he is indeed a small man - one who is removed from reality. What else can a sane person conclude when he talks of releasing 90,000 Pak soldiers taken prisoners in the Bangladesh war. They are soldiers and not terrorists and India is bound by treaties and conventions in this regard. We could not have expected the Congress Govt. to buthcer them or put the in prison thus adding to the expenses.Conventions and ethics cannot be thrown to the winds - We cannot let things go the way it happened in Gujarat some time ago under his leadership.
Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Against Pseudos on Apr 15, 2009 05:41 AM
Nambiar:
PoW's can always be put in prison. But that is not the point of debate.
The point of debate is also not what happened in Gujarat.
The point of debate is that M/s Manmohan and Soniya and Rahul have gone too far with this unnecessary campaign about things that happened 10 years back, instead of showing us their report card of the last 5 years...
It appears to me at least, that they are currently in opposition trying to beat an incumbent Advani over non-performance.... whereas to me frankly, the non-performance has been all too evident in the past 5 years....
Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Observer on Apr 15, 2009 05:12 AM
After release of 90,000 Paki soldiers, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto then Paki PM or President had gone back on his words (I don't know what he had agreed to exactly, but he had gone back on his words). India under Congress govt could not do anything. International conventions and ethics never worked for India during Congress rules. Also 1962 fiasco remains unanswered. India can not ask even small neighbours like Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangla Desh to behave. Congress has reduced India to a small fish in the world and we are talking about small personalities. It is shame that a party responsible for this situation is making a hue and cry about painful Kandahar episode, going against its own stand in December 1999, did not do anything on its own in last five years, and taking 26/11 as a god sent opportunity for political gains.
Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 07:39 AM
no no..you all got it wrong..it started on the debate of advani accusing our PM as the most weak prime minister.
now when it come to weakness, any like minded persone will ofcourse bring in " practice what you preach'' subject...it is in this context we have to show our country where lies the real weakness, and that's when kandahar pops up...guess why ?? b'cuz the so called strong man was the home minister then, was it strong to buckle under a few terrorist pressurizing.
now its for the voter to decide who is weak
did you get it????
all these has got nothing to do with Modi's version of 90000 soldiers and 1962 war
Re: Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Observer on Apr 15, 2009 08:14 AM
Neither Advani, nor Vajpayee acted like puppets to anybody during critical time of Kandahar episode (nor during their entire tenure). They responded to the Kandahar situation with limited unpleasant options. Once the situation was in hand, Advani took all out offesive against terrorism with various anti-terror policies, lawas and actions. Kandahar had molded molten Iron into an Iron man, contrary to the fantacy of Dr Manmohan Singh.
This situation was entirely different than the PM praising his bosses every day, not able to get resignation of his Home Minister from his own party, etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 08:52 AM
yes he became an iron man took various anti-terror policies and action. only face an attack on the very heart of democracy...the paliament attack.
Re: Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Against Pseudos on Apr 15, 2009 07:49 AM
Rajendran:
I beg to disagree... when there is an incumbent government, the opposition has every right to question their efficacy.
The rebuttal from the government should be in the form of their achievements, pointing out why those accusations are wrong. If they choose to point out a deacde old weakness of the accuser, their own efficacy is not going any higher..
With M/s Manmohan, Soniya, Rahul; the feeling one gets is that it is BJP which is the incumbent government, because Kaangress is totally silent on their report card of the last 5 years. They choose to harp on Kandahar (10 year old data) & Babri (17 year old data), which is certainly not "practice what you preach"....
BTW, let me tell you that if M/s Manmohan, Soniya, Rahul continue to unnecessarily harp on Kandahar, we aren't going to feel they are any stronger.... if they continue to draw parallels between Kandahar and 26/11, they aren't going to prove a point, because we'll automatically associate 26/11 with Parliament or Red Fort attacks, not with Kandahar which was a hostage situation.
If you are happy with M/s Manmohan, Soniya, Rahul dragging history to prove their point, I guess Modi is equally justified in dragging history in the debate too....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 07:59 AM
this is only with regarding to Advani repeating the same thing again and again..calling our honourable PM the most weak PM since independence.
do you expect me to counter that with RTI, NREGA, Nuclear deal, double digit growth. how will anybody draw parallel here,
okay let have healthy debate..you point the failure, i will counter that.
but again, our PM is not Weak, everybody knows that. if you keep repeating that it will be counter effective.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by murali on Apr 15, 2009 09:08 AM
When the Kandhar Incident happen what was then Opposition party doing it Infact the ruling party has called upon the consideration of all the party its you are also responsible to the think which has happend.otherwise you were just waiting the governemet to make mistake so you can use it for other decades.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Against Pseudos on Apr 15, 2009 08:11 AM
Rajendran:
I will refer you to Sheila Bhatt's article on Rediff itself, which talks about the "performance" of this government... :)
In any case, we are talking about "results", not "activities"....
I have seen enough of the dozens of Rozgar Yojnas in the past, and more Poverty Eradication Programmes than I care for... MMS pleading for 10 more years to do something about the poor strikes me as a better measure of "results non-achieved" than announcements about NREGA.. The present economic slide and deflation coupled with rising commodity prices is as much Manmohan's handiwork as the double digit growth you are talking about... Nuclear deal was a good example, but at the same time I am also concsious of the negligence to the power situation for the last 60 years... RTI is also good, but it does not "achieve" anything tangible for me or the Aam Aadmi...
Its all good discussion.. and grateful to you for this.... Wondering why M/s Manmohan, Soniya, Rahul don't possess your common sense?... ;-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Against Pseudos on Apr 15, 2009 08:27 AM
Rajendran:
My apologies. I referred to the past 60 years, because the power situation we are in didn't "happen" yesterday night.
India is a young nation, agreed, but the pace at which we are going forward (or backward) isn't going to take us very close to US even after 150 years. That's my personal view of course, so by rights you are not bound by it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's atttack on Advani
by Suresh Rajendran on Apr 15, 2009 08:18 AM
Against Pseudos : you said "They choose to harp on Kandahar (10 year old data) & Babri (17 year old data), "
whya re you referring to past 60 years now.
we agreed to discuss only the last 5 years.
its another matter that, and any develeped country took more than 100 years to be in comfortable position.
teh US got independence in 1776, they took 150 years to be in this position.
60 years is nothing.
but i will agree on corruption.......thats a pain which coule have been rmoved by congress...they failed their.
but to me divisive politics based on religion is a bigger threat.
Mr. Modi - please get your facts correct. Advani and Vajpai were on their knees escorting dreaded terrorists to Khandhar. Congress Kills terrorists. We are afraid if BJP comes to power they will escort Afzal Guru and Kasab to Pakistan
Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's attack on Advani
by Ravi Dixit on Apr 15, 2009 07:57 AM
A simple equation, India is among the most corrupt nations and Congress has ruled a majority of the last 60 odd years, so you know who should be stuffed with the "chicken biriyani" up their asses!
the bitter enemy is the congress than any other country ... they just want to run the govt whether the country go to hell.. this gandhi family specifically wat they think they will become PM only by being born in gandhi family ... rest all leaders and indians are fools , history knows even nehru insisted to become PM so india was divided ;; the same thing this family is repeating everytime till now.. all rest of indians don't have capabilities to run the country or they are more patriotic. aam aadmi ka nara 50 saal se chal raha hai... we need leaders like modi , nitish who can perform and show that ruling the govt also means development not the misuse of the consitutional powers.... all congressis are great chhaka and chamcha ;; have u seen the talking of sibel and singhvi they give such useless arguements that in real life you will never like to talk to them.. just throw out congress from govt at state as well as national level.. this rahul ganshi wat he has done wat he has performed that he is projected by chhake congressis as future PM. this is democracy and there so many indians ready to do good for the country . not only the gandhi family ... ye country unke baap ki nahin hai...
Re: Modi 'replies' to PM's attack on Advani
by arjun on Apr 15, 2009 04:30 AM
BJP got a chance and they waisted it very badly. No more trials again.. they are weeker than last time... not at all worth it again....
Re: Re: Teesta's lies
by Rajaji on Apr 15, 2009 08:24 AM
People like u who don't respect SUPREME court r future terrorist for sure..no wonder u assume appropriate name killer.
