Amazingly it is so easy to comment and tell others how they should go about their business. When someone gets into doing something there is a whole bunch of jokers making suggestions. Where were you jokers all this while?? Sitting back and complaining!! Shashi Taroor will do what he needs to. You do what you want and vote him in or out, be you Rajive or John or Abu. Stop giving your ridiculous opinions, made no difference for the past 100 years.
Re: Where have all you jokers been all these years???
by merlin on Apr 16, 2009 04:12 PM
All you jokers need to be relocated to the north pole for 3 months. That should help. And rajeev or rajiv, how you related to Malika? Are you related to shekhar suman too, just a distant thought!!
Re: Re: Where have all you jokers been all these years???
by Vivek on Apr 16, 2009 06:01 PM
Does the name Captain Laxshmi ring a bell? What about Mrinalini! Check with King Arthur.Good day.
It would have been better to keep off from the dirty politics Mr.Tharoor. Have you declared in public about you patriotism? You may be shy to use that word in public. right?
The colonialists left India after sowing seeds of 'fast growing trees' which could invite the colonialists back.
The fifth columnists are working behind the screen to formulate policies to bring back those powers into our soil.
These colonialists make their policies accordingly in their countries.
It is time we make an overall study on the world bodies such as WB, IMF, ADB etc.
These bodies have their own hard policies.
They do not accept the SOVEREIGNTY OF NATIONS.
They force nations to follow their policies!!
What is the authority of our Parliament?
They do business under confidential negotiations.
Horse trading is the rule of the day.
They force or coax India to avail LOANS at the dictated terms and conditions.
To achieve this they use the fifth columnists.
Look at the way people talk and uses the terms reforms, globalization, etc
There are no REGULATIONS to avail loans.
The negotiators are given FULL freedom which is against our Constitution.
According to our Constitution even the President has no freedom to take decisions.
HE RULES THE NATION AS ADVISED BY THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS.
Let us find leaders who think for the NATION, speak for the NATION, work for the NATION.
Not to show off, but from the heart of heart.
Let us find political parties who think, speak and work for the
Re: Use the word patriotism in public, at least once
by varghese on Apr 17, 2009 06:18 PM
u want us to seek support from china..someday atleast try to live in the real world
Rajeev & Shashi are more aware than most what passion can do as they have spent time in US. Obama is a revelation,a breathe of fresh air, a change from the mire of US mind-set, lately cow-boy adventures of Bush! They avoided hard options & we all pay the price, including our aam aadmi. Of course, we also enjoyed the ride though it it has become pot-holed now!
Shashi might have taken inspiration form Obama. Yes, the waters are murky, crocodile & shark-infested! But let us welcome the change. Most will be in the side-lines, including Rajeev! The odds are stacked high. Shashi might have had enough of being in the side-lines.
The successful countries have gone all out to unite the aam aadmi. US has clear guidlines for race-related indulgence. Let us talk less of religion & practise it more, preferably highlighting the plusses. Many practise religion for show, follow the rituals than substance! No religion will be under threat if the adherents are admired for their wisdom & outlook! Unity is strenghth & let people like Shashi inspire many others including Rajeev to step forward from their comfort-zones, if they want to! Obama did & even Europeans are eating of his & his mrs's hands!
If we do not like any dynasty, let us change it. No point in blaming others for takng credit when they put their necks also on the line. We are all cry-babies in the end. The manna will not fall from the heavens.
Let us each play the part! Let us wish Shashi for his self-belief!
Re: Tough out there!
by merlin on Apr 16, 2009 04:17 PM
All this nonsense about the dynasty. There is no dynasty. In todays world there is a dynasty only because you want it to exist. Change your thinking you jokers!! Come out of living in the past!! Has anyone here brought about any change over the years. Look at where india is today and that is where you guys actually are. Lets not bring in Obama or any others.
The author stretches the truth a little bit when he equates Bangladesh with Pakistan and states that Hindus are virtually extinct in Bangladesh. While Hindus in Bangladesh have many grievances, they are nowhere near extinct. They are well represented in Bangladesh cabinets, civil service and among technocrats. Unfortunately they represent a tiny fraction in Bangladesh military forces although they are well represented in the police force. Hindus were 12% of the population in 1971 but it has dwindled to less than 10% in the last census. The main reason behind this is migration to India where there are many more opportunities. In fact large number of Muslims, perhaps larger, crosses the border in search of opportunities. Hindus have a much lower birthrate as they are generally (and historically) much better educated. Unfortunately disproportionately large number highly educated Hindu women and man marries Muslims as barriers tumble with progress.
Re: Status of hindus in Bangladesh
by aurora borealis on Apr 16, 2009 05:22 AM
Hindus in Bangladesh have declined rapidly the last few decades. Although both Muslims and Hndus migrate, one of the chief intentions behind the Hndus leaving is more to do with religious freedom. They do celebrate Hndu festivals in Bangladesh, but thats all. Have you actually met Bangladeshi Hndus who migrated from Bangladesh? Outside Bangladesh they form different groups - Hndus and Muslims. Such is not the situation with Indians. So you can understand.
And they are rapidly leaving Bangladesh even as we speak.
Anyways, all in all, Bangladesh is still far better than Pakistan. At least with the new Government, things sound more promising. You are right in that regard.
We know Shashi Tharoor. But who is this Rajeev ? Instead of writing so many words you could have written few words like "I will vote for BJP "which will be at the fifth place in elections in Thiruvananthapuram . BJP has never won an election in Kerala either to the assembly or Parliament. And not only Hindus , but, Christians and Muslims also are not allowed to start own educational institutions in Kerala because of the mad CPM Govt. mr Rajeev must understand that Loksabha is a place where law making happens and Mr Tharoor can do a lot in this aspect. It is not a panchayath election to raise all these local issues.
Re: Unwanted article
by pankaj singh on Apr 15, 2009 08:58 PM
He never mentioned BJP in this article. How you have made assumption? It's the sign of psedo secularism. You called himself secullar because you are against hindu.
Re: Re: Unwanted article
by Vivek on Apr 15, 2009 10:41 PM
Yes, this is the ingrate who shows appreciation and gratitude for receiving consent of religious practise from the erstwhile rulers of Travancore.
Re: Re: Unwanted article
by Guest on Apr 17, 2009 12:06 AM
well Joseph or yusuf,they are not part of this country,they wont be. they are not secular,beside they are just want to speak morel issue because they live in India,if they live in any Muslim or European country they will speak all against about Indians.i haven't seen,so its not their falut,like Muslim of this country wants mugal back and christian wants English man back.well sashi is no longer Hindu so don't expect from him anything.well even Hyderabad cm is also not a Hindu.rwzrq
Re: Re: Unwanted article
by poovannan ganapathy on Apr 15, 2009 09:51 PM
secularism is separation of religion and politics and standing for the rights of people who r different from u but permitted under the constitution.keral is the state with the highest consumption of beef in the country and sashi will have nothing against beef/pork eating while rajeev and his favourite party wants to pass a law to ban it.hence they r non secular and sashi is secular.most of the dalits/obcs/muslims/christians eat beef(the entire northeast)and the bjp dediates a part of its manifesto in favour of banning cow slaughter(many states already have it)which is the demand of just upper caste hindus.
Re: Re: Re: Unwanted article
by aurora borealis on Apr 16, 2009 05:12 AM
Entire part of NorthEast doesnt eat beef, although there are parts where Muslims/Christians eat beef. And if you are talking about the tribal Christians then they eat dogs too, so dont fixate your ideas on beef only. Most NorthEastern states have pork more in demand than beef. I can explain in details if you refuse to believe that. You are saying all OBCs eat beef too, which is utterly a lie. And beef-banning is not only a demand with upper-caste H1ndus, this is also a figment of your imagination. In a country where the majority is H1ndus, there is no shame in adjusting with their religious sentiments. However there are some obsessed elements whose only moksha is in demeaning other religions. Hence the ridiculous association with beef-banning with secularism. How is this any better than a mandir-masjid issue?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Unwanted article
by merlin on Apr 16, 2009 04:07 PM
Long long ago all hindus used to eat beef. So eat whatever you want to your fill. Just dont waste.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Unwanted article
by poovannan ganapathy on Apr 16, 2009 09:50 AM
u have answered that bjp is not secular as "there is no shame in adjusting with the religious sentiments of majority" which is antisecular to say the least.yes dog is adelicacy there in nagaland,manipur,mizoram etc and the same with pork and beef.kerala is the highest consumer of beef and bjp is zero in place like west bengal,tamilnadu,kerala,nagaland,manipur,tripura,mizoram etc.bjp is not in favour of reservations for dalit christians/dalit muslims and argue that there is no caste in them but says heeeeeeee heeeeee when asked why it supports reservation for dalit sikhs and buddhist sikhs where too caste is not codified.congress for all its faults is not partial to any group as it wants vote from all unlike bjp which wants polarisation by standing up for issues detrimental to the minority community.secularism includes not involving in the diet habits of the people too and bjp comes out very poorly on this score
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Unwanted article
by aurora borealis on Apr 16, 2009 12:10 PM
I pointed out the mistakes in your argument on NE. I dont support reservations for dalit Sikh/Budhhist either. If some party is supporting that I wont support that party. Anyways thats besides the question here. But what are you trying to prove with the above clutter? Whats antisecular and whats not, is becoming more and more confusing with separate laws and reservations. I didnt talk about BJP in my initial post so dont start the political comparisons again. You can vote for whoever you like, but dont forget BJP has got a considerable number of followers.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Unwanted article
by poovannan ganapathy on Apr 16, 2009 03:39 PM
dear friend its not christian and muslims alone quiet alot of hinduis too eat beef.recently in a engg college in tamilnadu there was infighting between nothindian students and south indian students as beef became apart of their hostel menu. most of the obcs/dalits in south eat beef.u knidly go any restaurant/food trollies/fast food joints near chennai central/chennai airport u will find beef as a dish and most of the consumers/joint owners will be hindus. the same near trivandrum railway station/busstand etc.most of the dalit led parties r not in favour of banning cow slaughter.how can a party say it will ban a food item which is eaten by atleast 40 crores in this country.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Unwanted article
by john thomas on Apr 17, 2009 12:48 AM
why this obsession with eating beef? it is unhealthy stuff. anyway, the dalits i know are far more concerned about severe discrimination in tamil nadu by the DMK people than about eating beef. they often don't get to each anything at all.
Re: Unwanted article
by Govind Lal on Apr 17, 2009 03:29 PM
Look at the comment "BJP has never won an election in Kerala either to the assembly or Parliament". It is a proof that Hindus are secular in nature, especially Kerala Hindus. Muslims has their own political parties. Christians has their own parties. Congress monopolized by Christians. Hindus are driven to the back bench. What a wonder? They have no organization to look after their interest. Every political party assures minorities of their interest. Political leaders cannot get sleep if they do not make a commitment to minorities the day before. Poor Hindus vote for all political parties. A backlash can be expected any moment from now.
Re: Unwanted article
by varghese on Apr 17, 2009 06:21 PM
u hit the nail Joseph..these clowns and morons know nothing about education,character and morals..they think only of making India like Pakisthan..BJP is as always communal and headed by aryans with an cross of Banias who are being used as foot soldiers..sadly their party itself makes mockery of dark skinned people...
A boring, long-winded apologia for the boring BJP's Hindutva agenda. After reading this "article" am still wondering what exactly Sreenivasan wants. The only thing original and interesting about his verbose outpouring is that Tuticorin has miraculously been moved to the Bay of Bengal! Millions of Indians suffer from the delusion that it is north of the gulf of Mannar, and part of the Arabian Sea/Indian Ocean.
teesta setalvad is a typical pseudo-secular. she lies through her teeth. she should be jailed for subverting the judicial system. these people are the true villains in india, lying through their teeth. teesta has personally caused the deaths of many indians, because her fiction has been used as part of the indoctrination for the 26/11 terrorists. she should be immediately jailed under a non-bailable charge of creating hatred against a community, that is hindus. she is way more guilt than varun.
Gujarat riot myths busted
Abraham Thomas | New Delhi
The so-called human rights activist, Teesta Setalvad — who paraded the Gujarat riot victims before the Supreme Court and claimed they had been denied justice — suffered embarrassment on Monday after a Special Investigation Team (SIT) gave sufficient grounds for the apex court to doubt the authenticity of incidents highlighted by her NGO Citizens for Justice and Peace.
The SIT, headed by former CBI Director RK Raghavan along with former DGP CB Satpathy and three senior IPS officers — Geetha Johri, Shivanand Jha and Ashish Bhatia — had been entrusted with the enquiry into post-Godhra riot incidents in Godhra, Gulbarg Society, Naroda Gaon, Naroda Patiya and Sardarpura.
Senior advocate Mukul Rohtagi, appearing for the State, read out portions of the report that refuted the petitioner’s charge of the State’s complicity in the riots.
Pointing out a specific instance, the SIT report stated how the evidence of 22 witness
Re: a pseudo-secularist exposed: teesta setalvad lies
by merlin on Apr 16, 2009 04:24 PM
Wow flynn, you are a genius!! So nothing happened in Godhra. Those people must have simply dissappeared. Maybe a flying saucer came and took them away!?
Re: Re: a pseudo-secularist exposed: teesta setalvad lies
by sneet on Apr 17, 2009 12:11 AM
whtever happen in godhra is reaction,first they killed hindus in train.well from 1000years,hindus beaten n killed so 1instanse should be forgot.
Re: a pseudo-secularist exposed: teesta setalvad lies
by flynn on Apr 14, 2009 10:44 PM
Pointing out a specific instance, the SIT report stated how the evidence of 22 witnesses was “suspect” owing to the identical submissions made in their affidavits submitted to the court. On enquiry, the SIT found that all the 22 affidavits were drafted, typed and printed from the same computer, giving sufficient grounds to believe they were “tutored”. When the SIT questioned those who signed the affidavits, it was shocked to learn that these complainants were not even aware of the incidents.
Referring to another instance that exposed the Citizens for Justice and Peace’s much ‘trumpeted’ charges, Rohtagi said the SIT investigation found untrue allegation about a gangrape of a pregnant woman Kauser Bano, whose stomach was allegedly pierced by sword and her foetus killed.
Even the instance of dumping of bodies into a well at Naroda Patiya and a charge of the police allegedly shielding accused persons in murder of a British national was found to be untrue, Rohtagi said.
Firing a salvo at the NGO, Rohtagi said, “It is clear from the report that the horrendous allegations made by the NGO were false. Cyclostyled affidavits were supplied by a social activist and the allegations made in them were untrue,” he added, with an obvious reference to Setalvad.
The NGO’s counsel Aparna Bhatt objected to such comments being made on the strength of the report, which had also added several persons as accused in the case. Refusing to be drawn into the slanging match between the oppo
Re: Re: a pseudo-secularist exposed: teesta setalvad lies
by flynn on Apr 14, 2009 10:45 PM
The NGO’s counsel Aparna Bhatt objected to such comments being made on the strength of the report, which had also added several persons as accused in the case. Refusing to be drawn into the slanging match between the opposing parties, the Bench headed by Justice Arijit Pasayat said, “In riot cases, more the delay, there is likelihood of falsity creeping in. So, there should be a designated court to fast track the trials.”
The court asked the State Government, petitioners and amicus curiae senior advocate Harish Salve to suggest recommendations on these lines. Additional Solicitor General Gopal Subramanium, appearing for the Centre, suggested selection of public prosecutors on consultation from the SIT. Salve informed the court that the matter would be taken up with the SIT. Based on a suggestion by another NGO petitioner counsel Indira Jaising to evolve a witness protection system, Salve assured that the same would also be discussed in the light of the sensitivity attached to the case. The bunch of petitions was posted for further hearing after next week.
Rajeevan, I fully agree with you on the Hindu bashing that passes as secularism, but regional twist you have given to prove yr point are unacceptable and go against Hindu nationalism
