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People like Shenoi are aware but reluctant to admit the fact that the free markert economy ardently followed by the West and prescribed for india by Manmohan and Co. have been spurned lock stock and barreel by these very same countries . Inspite of people like him people in India realize that it was the vigil shown by the left that prevented UPA from entering neck deep into the free market quagmire . To the extent India has escaped from the economic meltdown, Indians owe it to the left parties.
Re: Rip van Winkle
by sagar ganguli on Apr 10, 2009 12:13 PM
Mixed economy was not of Left's idea. The Keynesian prescription was to veer way from the monetarists and engage in fiscal measures. Keynes' theory showed way for Capitalism to achieve growth via increasing investment. Business cycles are always there in the capitalist system. Capitalism never stunts human progress and it does allow for democractic choices of mankind. Capitalism with its reverses and remedies are by far the best system. Free market ensures development and progress of economy as well as society. Human attributes can best flourish in capitalism.
karat can say anything on the stage just to keep his comrades going.if the comrades contest alone without riding piggy back on regional parties they will khow where they stand.
Re: Re: The drift and decline of the Left
by satishchandra on Apr 10, 2009 07:57 PM
Mostly in West Bengal where elections are rigged through booth capturing & other types of goondagiri.
Re: The drift and decline of the Left
by jeyam mookkan on Apr 10, 2009 11:49 AM
Left is loosing its support from the working class people because of dilution of its idealogy.Moreover it cannot form any viable central govt as the partners to the third front are of different hues with different manifesto.To have a strong and viable govt at the centre,the ruling coalition/party should have cohesive unit of members with same idealogy.The reason for this is that if a govt wants to implement any scheme it should have majority members supporting the issue.If the govt is of many parties with different objectives,it would be very difficult to get support from them example being the The nuclear agreement with USA.Hence it is requested that all voters should bear in mind that the party to which they vote is capable of implementing its agenda without the support of any small party.Either Congress and BJP being the national parties qualify for your votes.Before voting,see if the above parties have successfully implemented their programme when they were in rule.Kindly also see that no party should make use of emotional/sentimental aspects of the electorate.
A breakthrough in Hindu belt for the CPI(M) is expected this time. Amra Ram in Sikar parliamentary constituency is going to win. He is a sitting MLA from DantaRamgarh that falls under Sikar. He was winning from Sikar Assembly constituency continuously. This time, that became a reserved constituency.
Amra Ram had to shift to the nearby constituency. He was pitted against the PCC President Narain Singh. The result was overwhelming. The CPI(M) has won DantaRamgarh and also the old constituency of Amra Ram, Sikar.
A severe jolt is expected for both Congress and BJP this time. Not only, Amra Ram, Pawan Kumar Duggal from Bikaner is also going to win. He is also a sitting MLA from Anupgarh that falls under Bikaner parliamentary constituency.
People, particularly the anti-CPI(M) lobby, are very confident that the CPI(M) is emerging an alternative to Congress and BJP. That is why this mudslinging is going on.
The same old story that comes at the time every election. "The Left declines...". Infact everytime the prediction goes other way. More turbulance may be seen in the anti-Left camp after the elections. CPI(M) will win two seats in Rajasthan, i.e. Sikar and Bikaner. Mandi in Himachal Pradesh will give severe jolt to the communist bashing. CPI(M) had 2 in Tamil Nadu and one in Andhra last time. This time 3 from Tamil Nadu and 2 from Andhra. In Orissa, CPI(M) is going to win one this time.
Wake-up call for anti-CPI(M)people. Ofcourse, they may not wish to hear this. They have done it in the case of West Bengal in every election. Now, they have started this hate campaign at the national level. This itself shows that the CPI(M) has become to threat to the hegemony of Congress and BJP.
Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is emerging
by Haramohan Roy on Apr 10, 2009 11:25 AM
You are right. In Wesr Bengal, for instance, all sorts of anti-development and pro-chaos groups have united against the leftists. A lady, who publicly declares that she has no remorse over the loss of industry in Bengal, is leading them. This is because people are afraid over the possiblility of a bigger ledt role in the next union government.
Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is emerging
by giveanid on Apr 10, 2009 11:48 AM
You guys deserve it. In Kerala, the CPM minister for industries told that industrialists should take into account the loss of working days due to hartal and strikes when they invest! All these commies say one thing when in opposition and do the opposite when in power.
Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is emerging
by Amit Sinha on Apr 10, 2009 11:32 AM
Left is nothing but a bunch f anti-national oppurtunist who lust for power and glory and can stoop down to any level to get it............they can shake hands with alleged terrorist-Madni in kerala and if so far he is only alleged terrrist he definately a hardcore jihadi wh dreams of the green flag all over india and the worse part is these guys (left ) would still manage to shout from the rooftop as to how they would backstab, play all kinds of behind the scene arm twisting tactics, immoral practises to somehow be in power and they would do it by claimimg a war of sorts against "communalism" ??? shame... wasnt it a left leaning(china funded)naxal who in collaboration with (us and europe) funded xitian who murdered the SWAMI.........the word secular is a joke for these jokers and pseudo intellectuals and (I wont even call you a pseudo secular but outright) communal....people like you...the traitor band of oldies in the left should be dropped of in China.
Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is emerging
by Haramohan Roy on Apr 10, 2009 11:36 AM
Mr Sinha, nobody is sure about who killed a Swami in Kandhamal, but everybody knows who masterminded the cleansing of the Christians there!!
Moreover, as I repeatedly said, I am more concerned with livelihood than religion, and we all know that the Indian economy has survived the global meltdown largely because of the Left's objections to the UPA's second generation of economic reforms. So, we know who stands for what.
Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is emer
by Rationalist on Apr 10, 2009 12:12 PM
Lively hood is important. But nobody stops living come what may go.You must also look at long term implications. Do'nt be so short sighted. Both Xitnaity & Izlam are imperialistic religions. They want take our country by inducing Demographic changes.Then they will ask u to convert or die or force you runaway from your home.
Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is emer
by Amit Sinha on Apr 10, 2009 11:46 AM
I am not talking about religon in priority sir what I am saying is you cant act ignorant ...abaout the cause and then stress on the effect with all your vengence.....and I am not sure which part of world you live in but out here in India (tounge in cheek) we are all aware tat its was carried out by an etreme left cadre and ordered by missionaries......lets not fool each other...
my second example about madni was again not so much about religon it was more about Terror gettin state support and please dont deny the fact that its being done to win over a particular community.so yes you or the left rather ...definately plays the religion game even at the expense of supporting terorist and murders...
if you wish to continue I will be glad to pu forth tonnes of examples.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is
by ganesh subi on Apr 10, 2009 11:50 AM
Why the Church is giving call against CPI(M)in Kerala...??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is
by giveanid on Apr 10, 2009 11:55 AM
ganesh,because CPM tried to break them. Introduced atheism in text books, harassed them in self financing colleges issue,called the Bishops 'hated',and called the priests liars. Aren't they justified in opposing CPM?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is
by Haramohan Roy on Apr 10, 2009 11:51 AM
Continue? Why? To listen to falsehoods? No, sir - extremely sorry!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M)
by Amit Sinha on Apr 10, 2009 12:16 PM
Mr Roy
Falsehoods hmmmmmmmmmm ha-ha ok if tats what you would like to belive ........live in a fools paradise for all I care but yes as a Patriot I wouldnt let you or any bdy else like the anti -national left...........have a free run......you mess with my country we (patriots) mess with the entire left unholy nexus
I leave with you points to wonder about ..
1) Nandigram 2) Madni( kerala and terror nexus) 3) Lefts reaction during and post Indo-China war>>> (hint they werent supporting their own country..) 4) Boot capturing and rigging in West bengal ( for decades now) 5) Decay of West bengal economically and socially with influx of Bangladeshi 6)Lefts humilaiting Hindus by ridculing it in textbooks....and thier hubs like JNU 7) Left claims to be SECULAR while they survive by bashing hinduism and appeasing Xitaians and Muslims..... 8) Ammasing huge wealth in terms of memeber fees and Chinas money..
I can go into more wxamples but I think these are enough for any sensible Indian to open their eyes to this evil called left
Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is emer
by giveanid on Apr 10, 2009 11:52 AM
Roy saab,Indian economoy lived to survive the economic depression because of the free market and liberalisation brought in by Congress and continued by BJP.In China,it was done after Mao died, and in India it started with Manmoha becoming the FM. I can't help wondering how shameless the left is, when they claim the credit for India's progress! Even in the economic depression,noone is rushing to go to Cuba instead of America.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is
by ganesh subi on Apr 10, 2009 12:03 PM
A great joke.... West economy collapsed because they followed Socialism... And what else... carry on with your lies...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: People are very confident that the CPI(M) is
by giveanid on Apr 10, 2009 12:10 PM
ganesh,the West had an economy to collapse. The commies didn't even have one.
The way you project it, it seems Cuba is better off than America these days!
We can only pity with this writer when he cannot understand what a leader means by thousand percent and instesd laughs at his mathematics. AS for his analysis of Loksabha seat shares over the years, one is compelled to remind him that BJP had just two seats in 1884, where as in less than 10 years it crossed 100. The left had record numbers in 2004 , and is pitted for a major role in ministry making and ruling India for the next 5 years. The anxiety of BJP man is quite justified.
Re: BJP spokesman in charge of the Left
by Amit Sinha on Apr 10, 2009 11:30 AM
Amit Sen
Left is nothing but a bunch f anti-national oppurtunist who lust for power and glory and can stoop down to any level to get it............they can shake hands with alleged terrorist-Madni in kerala and if so far he is only alleged terrrist he definately a hardcore jihadi wh dreams of the green flag all over india and the worse part is these guys (left ) would still manage to shout from the rooftop as to how they would backstab, play all kinds of behind the scene arm twisting tactics, immoral practises to somehow be in power and they would do it by claimimg a war of sorts against "communalism" ??? shame... wasnt it a left leaning(china funded)naxal who in collaboration with (us and europe) funded xitian who murdered the SWAMI.........the word secular is a joke for these jokers and pseudo intellectuals and (I wont even call you a pseudo secular but outright) communal....people like you...the traitor band of oldies in the left should be dropped of in China.
Re: Re: BJP spokesman in charge of the Left
by satishchandra on Apr 10, 2009 08:07 PM
If you drop them in China they will be kicked out of China immediately.
Many modern economists refer to the leftists as 'dinosaurs', as Mr Shenoy has done. Indeed, it has also been said that the leftists belong to the 'Jurassic Age', because they insist on state-protection of economy, while the modern economists emphasise on private enterprise and market economy. However, what has the market economy given to mankind? The sensex has fallen from 25000 to 9500, there are melrdowns everywhere, and the global recession has resulted in loss of jobs in almost every household of the world. We may recall that the UPA government could not implement the second generation of economic reforms due to the extreme objections given by the leftists. They prevented the higher Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) in the insutance and banking sectors, and they also prevented the move to invest pension funds in the capital market. Mr Manmohan Singh had then described the leftists as 'dinosaurs', because they could not appreciate the market-economics. But noe we understand the value of the lft's objections. Foreign banks and insutance companies are sinking, but not the Indian ones (because of the state-protection); the American pensioners have been deprived because of the global meltdown and market loss, but not the Indian pensioners (because the pension funds have not been invested in capital market). So, will we still call the leftists dinosaur? Indeed, we - the Indians - have seen the evil effects of the capital market, haven't we? Are we still in doubt over the left?
Re: Dinosaur?
by Rationalist on Apr 10, 2009 11:24 AM
The rate at which Demography is changing from red to green in North east due to influx of Bangladeshis as the behest of Left parties, there wo'nt be any left left after 10 or 20 years.
Re: Re: Dinosaur?
by Haramohan Roy on Apr 10, 2009 11:27 AM
Mr Rationalist, like many people I am not bothered about religion, but I am bothered about livelihood. It is only the left which has tried to stem the tide of globalisation, and they have caved the Indian economy from the global meltdown by that process.
Re: Re: Re: Dinosaur?
by Rationalist on Apr 10, 2009 11:57 AM
May be religion is not important even to me until there is equal oppurtunity for all and no one is appeased. But Izlam can prove to be a hinderence for growth of our country. They do'nt beleive in family planning or rather against it and multiplying exponentially. And you know main cause for most of our problems is population explosion without controlling which our problems cannot be checked. Also they support anti-national activities and always have soft corner for the Izlamic terrorists under some trivial justification.That is also hinderence to economy as it is linked to law & order. SO you must see long term implications, have some foresight. Our country is not devoloped bcos of lack of foresight. They even vote for a one night bash & few 100 rupees. Today may be fine. May not b tommorow. Also, capitalism ensures that every body is occupied and there is plenty of oppurutnity to choose from unlike Communism that beleives in snatiching from haves & distribute to have nots without creating any value addition.
Re: Re: Dinosaur?
by Rationalist on Apr 10, 2009 11:25 AM
They are the worst hypocrites who claim they are left, but it is only wrt to H1nduism. But they do'nt oppose right wing Izlamists & Xtians.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Dinosaur?
by Rationalist on Apr 10, 2009 11:47 AM
I know. Church is also an imperialistic organization. They are siding Congress. But Communists can't oppose the Xtians. I am not talking about Church. They change according to seasons.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dinosaur?
by Rationalist on Apr 10, 2009 12:06 PM
Because on pretext they are Aethists, they choose to hate only H1nduz which is not imperatively a theistic religion. But support Xtianity & Izlamic radicals which are inexplicable without Thou.
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a _1[SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC] and to secure to all its citizens: JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity;
and to promote among them all
FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the _2[unity and integrity of the Nation];
So according to the Constitution India is a socialist country. Congress itself is a Centre Left Party, whose primary agenda, at least theoretically is socialism. Similarly in USA the Democrats and in UK the labours, are theoretically socialists. And there are others in the list like Venezuela, Brazil, Spain, Mexico Sweden, Algeria who are all ruled by centre left parties. Recently world has witnessed the pitfalls of blind capitalism, so it is hard to believe that socialism is in decline, in fact in the western world it is in the rise, which could be seen during the G-20 protest in London recently. The problem with India is India is traditionally a hiararchical society. Thus it is in our gene that some of us are superior then others, and we cannot imagine that we are all equal. In fact some of the major religions in the world like Hinduism and Islam also preach socialism. So Mr. Shenoy, open your eyes, do not confine yourself to just murky waters of Indian Politics....
