When the nuc deal issue was in debate in parliament did BJP put forward even one valid argument??? Did Advani??? All noted people including Kalam and BJPs own man Brijesh Mishra slammed BJP!!! Still no shame!!!
When the people of Delhi also gave a slap, the issue now dont figure anywhere in their manifesto!
Re: Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by South Indian on Apr 06, 2009 02:55 PM
You know BJP which claims to be a antional party cannot do such things which harms naions interest and run away easily!!! this is an issue...
Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 02:55 PM
South Indian... Get your facts right. THE JULY 22, 2008 WAS A TRUST VOTE , THE SURVIVAL OF THE CONGRESS LED UPA DEPENDED ON IT. Advani in his speech has identified and exposed to the nation the shortcomings of the deal which is detrimental to the security of our Nuke program. Dr. Kalam, since when did you start respecting Dr. Kalam, after all it was the Congress who refused to have him re elected. Coming back to the point, Advani's speech in the parliament is on record. The Communists too voiced similar concerns and MMS said that his government will clarify in writing to the nation which is still awaited. Dont try and ape that fat a s s Kapil Sibal, he was cornered by the Zee news correspondent some time back and he looked like he will die at that very moment.
Re: Re: Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 03:01 PM
South Indian.... Listen get this in your head and very clearly. BJP's stand is simple. No agreement I repeat no agreement will be signed by them if it harms the HOME GROWN Nuclear program. I will tell you the CIRRUS reactor in Bombay was shut down by the Congress government in the lead up to the deal. Why dont you read things and then argue. 95% of the scientists are against the deal, Including Kakodkar till Jan. 2008. You are talking about Steve Talbott, I will tell you about Barrack Obama, on the eve of sigining of the deal,an Indian reporter asked Obama on the vociferous opposition to the deal due to the clause of no further testing, Obama said he sympathizes with them, but USA will cancel the deal if India does further testing. This is recorded. You did better learn to read and understand.
Re: Re: Re: Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by South Indian on Apr 06, 2009 03:07 PM
Hehehee... thats what I said... the go ahead is given by NSG not USA... we enter into agreement with other fuel suppliers like France Russia already... you talk about USA cancelling deal???? i think you need to understand more about it... what it is all about
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 03:08 PM
South Indian... You did better learn it yourselves. I am aware on how it works. It is primarily a deal with the NSG. -Yes, but why does India have to IMPORT URANIUM WHEN WE HAVE DEPOSITS found in India. -The technology the Americans are trying to sell is completely different from the one developed here in India. -The scientists are incensed as they say that if their work had to go down the drain, why did they work so hard. The point is with our own resources and some technology transfers we can do it ourselves. However, as per this deal everything including nuts and bolts has to be imported and do you know the calculations: 125 BILLION $ FOR NOMINAL 4% GROWTH IN ELECTRICITY GENERATION OVER A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS.
Re: Re: Re: Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by South Indian on Apr 06, 2009 03:08 PM
buddy it is not any deal between India and USA... USA just part of it... we already got first lot of fuel shipment...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 03:31 PM
South Indian... Try and read between the lines. The BJP if in power will not preside over things which are against our security in view of the belligerent neighborhood we live in. They will ask for testing and the deal will fall flat. Wait and watch.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 03:12 PM
South Indian... You will not and will never understand the problems till the time lid is off. Just wait for the BJP to form the government and see how Obama himselves scuttles the deal.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: BJP ran away from debate in parliament
by South Indian on Apr 06, 2009 03:15 PM
obama scuttling deal!!! dont joke here buddy... India has come of age already...
After cheating this nation on the nuc deal, the BJP manifesto dont even have a word on this issue.. this kind of oppurtunism is not good for any party and its leader....
Re: Nuc deal
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 02:47 PM
The Nuclear Deal is a sell out, even the Congress is ducking all questions on it. -Congress must answer will further testing be allowed under this agreement. -India will not sign the NPT and the CTBT as this has been our bedrock policy for 60 years. Congress must answer the nation.Why is it silent?
Re: Re: Nuc deal
by South Indian on Apr 06, 2009 02:49 PM
you never listen to the debate in parliament???? it was debated for 2 full days i think... when the oppurtunity was given Advani spoke about some other things, like UPA, minority etc... i wonder what the nuc deal has to do with it!!!! Advani never has any knowledge on internmational matters or treties... he proved it...
Re: Re: Re: Nuc deal
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 02:56 PM
South Indian... You are talking of the July 22, 2008 Trust vote? The you should read more on it. In that very session MMS promised that he will give it in writing that all is OK, which till now he has ducked. All, I know is that the newspapers reported (including rediff), that India may have to sign both NPT and CTBT. Just get your facts right.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuc deal
by South Indian on Apr 06, 2009 03:03 PM
then you should know this... this is not any deal between India & US!!! for your knowledge.... it is not that... this is a license to get nuc fuel and technology from other nuc suppliers group... we already enter into agreement with France Russia and some others... so try to understand what it is!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuc deal
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 03:07 PM
South Indian... You did better learn it yourselves. I am aware on how it works. It is primarily a deal with the NSG. -Yes, but why does India have to IMPORT URANIUM WHEN WE HAVE DEPOSITS found in India. -The technology the Americans are trying to sell is completely different from the one developed here in India. -The scientists are incensed as they say that if their work had to go down the drain, why did they work so hard. The point is with our own resources and some technology transfers we can do it ourselves. However, as per this deal everything including nuts and bolts has to be imported and do you know the calculations: 125 BILLION $ FOR NOMINAL 4% GROWTH IN ELECTRICITY GENERATION OVER A PERIOD OF 20 YEARS.
Congress people killed more than 5000 sikhs in Delhi and other parts of India, nobody got punished. Congress people/its minority cell burned karsewkas including women and children in the train at Godhra led to violence in Gujarat. Christian fundamentalists (supporters of congress) hired Maoists and killed Swamji and their associates in Kandamal led to violence in Orissa. Congress people/its minority cell involved in almost all riots and killings happened in India after Independence. Kashmiri pundits are thrown out of Kashmir and staying in other parts of India as refugees. Congress questioned even the existence of God Shriramji and bent to destroy Ram Sethu. Congress has created many mini pakistan and mini Bangladesh in India by giving voting rights and citizen ships to Bangladeshi and pakis and they are now vote banks of congress. Congress and communists are ruling Kerala by taking support of aninational and Islamic fundamentalists parties like Muslim League and PDP.Congress is the most dangerous communal party in India. Congress made India a pakistan in making. Main achievement of congress for the last 55 years is poor become poorest and rich become richest.
Empty vessels sounds much. So is the case of hundreds of Congressi or anti-BJP campaigners in this forum. I just feel sad at their edgy knowledge on any issue. A person who is a manager knows the pain of managing men around. He needs to assure different person with different promises to keep his team moving. Assuring and *trying* to keep it is not that easy.
Same is case with political parties, and I favour BJP. It told tax exemption upto 3 lakhs to lure the working class, it said green India to attract votes of green society, and also it might have spoken of Ram Mandir to attract the votes of hardcore hindus. I feel nothing wrong in it. One cannot please everyone to grow. He has to create enemies. They have a very nicely laid out plan in their manifesto. What is that is bothering you?
When a political party cannot fulfil promises, there are some backroom reasons: - The Administrative class (read IAS/IPS/IFS etc) wont allow the file to pass the depertment layers. - Some lunatic heads in the same party see selfish motives than national motives (Eg: Swiss bank account disclosures) etc.
Dont shout without giving proper thinking. I am not congress hater. My family has served congress in various levels from pre-independence. What we know today is corrupt congress. Not the one in which a person like Gandhiji, Shastriji and Patelji existed. What we see today is bunch of cross-breeds who can twist and tweak rules to keep the dynasty rule. I pity those who follow blindly.
Advani and his party backstabbed this nation on the nuc deal issue. They joined Indias enemies to hurt our national interests. Such people can never be trusted....
Re: Nuclear deal
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 02:44 PM
The Nuclear Deal is a sell out, even the Congress is ducking all questions on it. -Congress must answer will further testing be allowed under this agreement. -India will not sign the NPT and the CTBT as this has been our bedrock policy for 60 years. Congress must answer the nation.Why is it silent?
Re: Re: Nuclear deal
by South Indian on Apr 06, 2009 02:48 PM
you never listen to the debate in parliament???? it was debated for 2 full days i think... when the oppurtunity was given Advani spoke about some other things, like UPA, minority etc... i wonder what the nuc deal has to do with it!!!! Advani never has any knowledge on internmational matters or treties... he proved it...
Re: Re: Re: Nuclear deal
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 02:51 PM
South Indian... You are talking of the July 22, 2008 Trust vote? The you should read more on it. In that very session MMS promised that he will give it in writing that all is OK, which till now he has ducked. All, I know is that the newspapers reported (including rediff), that India may have to sign both NPT and CTBT. Just get your facts right.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuclear deal
by South Indian on Apr 06, 2009 02:53 PM
News paers reported during BJPs days that they weere ready to sign NPT without any of these!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nuclear deal
by Jiggs on Apr 06, 2009 02:57 PM
South Indian... Just dont fib blatantly, India could not have been in the NSG or Nuclear radar then, as their was a BAN on India for testing weapons in May 1998. Doesn't it ring bells. Cheap attempt.
hahaha... Where is cangress in this election? RJD/LJP/JMM/SP/PMK all have drubbed/dwarfed/snubbed/plutoed and casted off this sinking ship. Out of a total of 543 LS seats cangress has been wiped out in 215 (BIHAR-40, UP-80, JHARKAND-14, TN-39 AND WB-42. other time-tested allies! will also squeeze it until the pip squeaks and by god's grace will snatch another handsome 100 seats. So the upshot is that at the end of the day this party of a passel of punks/toadies will be pitied to contest a little of 200 seats and will end up winning seats that will remain on the south of 100. This is the most ratiocinative representation of the big picture. I ''be bound cangi pooches will find it difficult to swallow but truth is always bitter. This also called poetic justice. The biter has been bitten beyond recognition by the fickle finger of the fate. cangi has now become a laughing stock. I urge all the rational hindus just elbow all the trash that r being constantly being floated by the cangi alias who r either converted mullahs/punks. Hindus vote for NDA. SAVE INDIA FROM SLIDING INTO MULLAH TALIBANIS.In this context i want to remind the hindus about the most recent video aired by different news channels showing how a teen-age girl is being mercilessly flogged by the mullah talibans. Don't forget mullahs living in india would be the first who will give beast mullah talibanis a bear hug in the event these dogs invade india. don't rely mullahs.Mullahs are unpararreled ditchers.
