Re: BCCI cowards...
by Parika Gupta on Aug 19, 2014 10:34 PM
How many series has Virat failed in the overseas, or should we fire him just based on this one series, unlike all series overseas failure Dhoni.
Re: Re: BCCI cowards...
by coolguyhero on Aug 19, 2014 10:37 PM
yes,shikar dawan flop,rohit sharma get lots of chances.dhoni super flop on aborad pitches.
Re: Re: Re: BCCI cowards...
by Parika Gupta on Aug 19, 2014 10:41 PM
I believe Virat should be given another chance in the overseas. Rohit, Shikhar and Dhoni need to go after repeated overseas failure.
Re: Re: Re: Re: BCCI cowards...
by Rathishkumar on Aug 20, 2014 12:33 PM
How many test did Rohit played totally in his carrier it is much less than kohli failure Abroad out of 9test played in england and Australia he has only one hundred Rohit played only 8 test in that he has two big hundred and a fifty
Re: BCCI cowards...
by Sudhanshu sharma on Aug 19, 2014 11:03 PM
im sure you had very different thoughts when our rajya sabha mp used to have same tourS
I do not know why? from the day he was selected coach, poor Fletcher had to face only brickbats all along. When the team did well, he was conveniently ignored while others took the credit. Does anyone here honestly think, any coach leave alone Duncan, can control the likes of Virats, Jaddus, Ashwins and Dhonis? Coach, for his own survival needs to turn a blind eye and spare these legends to do whatever they like, the way they like. It's the players who need to be dealt strongly with after all, they are the ones who perform and are responsible for the team's showing.
Now that they found scapegoat, the likes of Virats and Pujaras will heave a sigh of relief and the BCCI would happily feel, it took a corrective action and the problem was addressed.
I really do not understand, how certain people (dummy legends) are persisted with despite repeated failures while some others like Badri are judged by mere 3 innings and axed despite scoring a 50 in one of them? I bet, Unmukt Chand with an average of 36 (against, HP, J&K, Services) will get his break earlier than Baba Aparajit with a healthy first class average of 52 (against much better opposition). That's how, cricket is running here. Mera Bharat Mahaan!
Well people talk about sacking the coach. I agree with it but it should always be asked if the Indian team ready to follow what the coach is asking them to do. Are they taking the right directions. Are they asking the right questions. If the team is doing every thing right then it is for BCCI to take the decision. If not then it is retrospect the team itself. Do we have the right combination , do we know the English conditions and their plan better, are we better prepared ?
Re: Sacking the Coach
by Chaitanya on Aug 19, 2014 11:05 PM
Dear "b g": You have merely asked questions, and not made firm statements.
So I presume that, in your mind too, these are merely questions/suspicions and not certain facts.
What I'd like to say is: if indeed the coach had made genuine attempts to do the right things, and the players had resisted or shown bad attitude, it would have been his duty as a coach to initiate appropriate actions. I haven't heard of any such thing so far, either from him, or from BCCI.
Until someone makes such statements, to me, Duncan Fletcher needs to take a large share of the blame for this disaster.
Senior Team players representing an country are not kids OR beginners that they need to be spoon feed . Job of coaches at senior team level are only to support on critical issues & fine tune their existing skills .
What will any coach do if all our so called front line batsman & bowlers failed miserably ??
Re: NO NEED TO SACK ANYONE
by Ram on Aug 19, 2014 09:57 PM
If all students fail, YES. Especially if the students had earlier performed greatly and become mediocre thereafter.
Re: Re: NO NEED TO SACK ANYONE
by Amod Karnik on Aug 19, 2014 10:08 PM
That is wrong reasoning Ram.......i totally agree with Shilpa here......If our players don't have the temperament to play abroad and don't have the stomach for a fight, there is nothing the coach can do. The only area where the coach can be faulted is not inspiring the players enough. But that is the mistake of the BCCI by appointing a mediocre cricketer like Fletcher. The BCCI should have appointed Dravid or Kumble in the first place...they can inspire the younger players. Not someone like fletcher.
Re: Re: Re: NO NEED TO SACK ANYONE
by Chaitanya on Aug 20, 2014 12:00 AM
Friends, I found this to be a more interesting thread of discussion.
My thoughts in response to Shilpa's views, are very similar to Ram's.
Let's not forget that what we have witnessed is no ordinary failure: it is in fact a painful sequence of successive failures, innings after innings, player after player, match after match, series after series. And it has been in all three areas - batting, bowling, fielding.
This kind of all-round repetitive abject failure can have only two explanations: ( 1 ) Maybe this was all an elaborate fixing conspiracy involving lots of players, and lots of money transactions, lots of secret communication. This is too far-fetched and risky, in my view, so I'm discarding this. ( 2 ) Maybe the players had genuine weaknesses that diminshed their ability to overcome the conditions while batting, and preventing them from exploiting the conditions while bowling and fielding.
The coaching team had ample opportunities to identify weak areas and rectify them. They had opportunities before departing from India, as well as after landing in England, in between lost matches, in between sessions, and so on. Fletcher was coach of England for 8 years, and his achievements included an Ashes victory for England at home. He had lots of experience, not just of English conditions, but also of how to exploit or overcome those conditions.
Re: Re: Re: Re: NO NEED TO SACK ANYONE
by Chaitanya on Aug 20, 2014 12:01 AM
(Contd) Regarding failure to inspire:
A Test match is not a brief game like football or basketball or T20, but a long-drawn affair spread over 5 days, with several hours of play each day. In this kind of situation, inspirations and exhortation must come from the captain who is in the thick of the action, rather than from the coach who is at a distance. I'm sure an impassioned captain such as Ganguly or Gavaskar would have jumped up and down, barked at his players, and generally shown some ire, if not fire, and got a bit more out of the players! I feel in this area, "Mr Cool" Dhoni may have failed. But inspiration can only make a little bit difference to a situation as bad as this one. There were still techniques and tactics that were terribly wrong or missing.
So, I don't blame the coach much for the failure to inspire. But I do blame him for far bigger failures.
yes..he could not guide the team though he knows the England conditions and weakness of some English players.. St Flemming should be appointed as New Coach just before the World cup and Aussis series...
I completely agree with this.He was an England coach and knowing English conditions well,he could not guide the youngsters even to put up a fight. He doesn't seem to be capable of motivating the youngsters and the team.
Re: Fletcher should have been sacked!
by Rajni Malik on Aug 19, 2014 07:18 PM
money and glamorous girls only motivate our players.Nothing else matters.Our attitude is CHALTA HAI type.
