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vikas
Zohal
by vikas on May 24, 2012 09:59 AM

I feel that she was with IPL team for some fun and free party & gifts(note that the room was booked by RCB). Maybe she was OK with some flirting, but Luke would have demanded more and some altercation happened with his boyfriend. Then probably she decided to extort more money or just for publicity

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om shanti
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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 09:55 AM

I have no issues with any one who is happy with UPA rule.Be happy..

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Arun Premraj
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by Arun Premraj on May 24, 2012 09:54 AM  | Hide replies

zohal is the next poonam pandey.. now the entire page 3 world knows who she is. First stop.. big boss offer for next season for both zohal n saahil

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Arun Premraj
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by Arun Premraj on May 24, 2012 09:54 AM
include luke too

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Suraj Kumar
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by Suraj Kumar on May 24, 2012 09:52 AM  | Hide replies

That lady have arrive in india to become famous, may be the future someone like mahesh bhatt/rgv will offer her an item number or roll in their film.

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One Liner
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by One Liner on May 24, 2012 09:55 AM
She came here to become rich and achieved it !!

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om shanti
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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 09:24 AM  | Hide replies

Forget about this probably match_fixer lady_and_her_companion.They may have black_mailed Mallya and taken money and now dropping_case.

Media is making them hero when the country is burning in the fire of petrol_price hike..

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Naina Pandey
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by Naina Pandey on May 24, 2012 09:33 AM
Maybe she wanted 15 mins fame and got it!! They shld check for ISI links too.

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 09:49 AM
Just because she is Muslim?

Perhaps Mallya and his thugs pressurized her? How quickly do you draw conclusions against a woman!

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RITESH
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by RITESH on May 24, 2012 09:59 AM
does islam allows drinking especially to women that too with unknown men. Please do not drag ismlam to this. And for sure she is a stain to any kind of woman and that include even prastitudes. Sorry for using such harsh word but can't express it better than this.

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om shanti
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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 09:20 AM  | Hide replies

I donot know why NDA was kicked_out of power.

In 2002,petrol price was Rs 34/litre

In 2002 ,USD : Rupee exchange rate was 47

Today petrol price is more than double

Today rupee is tumbling fast.

When will common people realise this ? Will there be any_reiligion to save us when our country will become Ethiopia_or_Somalia ?

Donot forget,we have 120 crores population,if there is an economic collapse,there will be famine_and_robbery and all sorts of crimes.

Dethrone_anti_people and anti_national UPA...


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AK Sharma
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by AK Sharma on May 24, 2012 09:31 AM
Perhaps our country is being made to go the Zimbabwe way.. total economic disaster. Despite misrule those responsible for the misrule and economic peril will again come to power like 2009..make lame excuses of international turmoil and suck the last drop of blood from the people.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 09:35 AM
You talk as if Iceland,Portugal,Spain,Italy and Italy is also ruled by congress.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 09:50 AM
No you're right these countries are NOT ruled by Congress, just by parties very similar to Congress in capability and in the case of Italy, in terms of both capability and ethics.

See the countries you are copmaring with, Iceland, tell me the last time this country was known for anything except Ice? Is this even a place fit for human habitat? You're comparing that with India, a country whose natural resources can ONLY be compared to that of the US.

Protugal & Spain, after the 19th century, have these people bothered to use either their brains or bodies for anything. Can you think of one Portuguese or Spanish company leading in any field?

Italy is much better or shall we say forward, they stopped using their brains right after the Roman Empire fell! I'm just joking, Italy is an important country, but they've had some bad political leadership recently.

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anil nigam
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by anil nigam on May 24, 2012 10:08 AM
It seems moderator is also trying to defend these dishonest politicians and Babu;s by not publishing their acts of commissions and ommissions . Every body has got a hand in the crumbling pie , just wait and see when masses rise in protest and the heads of these dishonest jokers lie on the Rajpath to rot. Jai Hind.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:13 AM
Unlikely, revolution is alien to the descendents of the Buddhists, which is what India essentially is, despite her large Hindu masses, the philosophy is get ra*ed and then again, get ra*ed, because we are pacifists. The Japanese actually did a much better job of managing this self destructive aspect of Buddhism & Asoka's overglorified sense of guilt.

Even if you check our entire history, the only revolution we have is the 1857 war of independence, which had very little to do with Indian mangomen, i.e. aam aadmi, and was all about the professional soldiers, whether employed by the British like Mangal Pandey or independent professionals like Tatya Tope they were essentially warriors and soldiers.

Now compare this with the French revolution, the US civil war etc.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:12 AM
Hahahha-just by parties very similar to Congress in capability and in the case of Italy, in terms of both capability and ethics.

Your Knowledge of iceland is very poor.

All other things you have written about the countries of Europe reflects your poor knowledge only

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:14 AM
Please enlighten us. Thanks.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 09:56 AM
Iceland, Portugal, Spain have not been important countries in the world for at least a 100 years now. Infact, I don't even recall any action in these countries in the 2 World Wars.

Italy has had a bad leadership for a while now.

Why do you compare with the worst countries in the world. Do you want to not be given any importance wherever you go?

Why can't you bench mark with countries like Germany or Japan, which are small homoegeous countries, or China which is a large, but still largely homogeneous country and the US which is also a fairly large country, with a population that was largely homoegenous but is slolwly adapting to a changing demographic.

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 10:29 AM
All 3 you mentioned have a very good 'infrastructure.'

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:45 AM
Countries Like Germany or Japan are having a rational thinking with advanced religious faith,not like people who bend before Fake swamis,mullas and Padres.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:59 AM
I think first and foremost, Japanese and Germans are very, very hardworking people.

Not sure about their religious inclination. Japan ofcoure is largely rational. They in fact have a large number of agnostics and people also change faiths from Buddhism to Chirstianity and vice versa, or so I have read. I personally don't know many Japanese and have never visited.

The Germans are very rational.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 11:19 AM
It is not Christianity or Buddhism.It is Protestant Christianity and Shintoism,which gave these two countries rational thinking.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:30 AM
Sushama ..,
Thanks. Yes.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 09:34 AM
Just like you have written,You dont know many things.

What was Crude oil price when BJP was in Power and compare it with what is crude price now?

When BJP ruled was there any Global Recession or Europe crisis.

People know all these factors also.Instead asking here why people chucked out BJP-NDA in 2004 and 2009,you must do your own introspection.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 09:46 AM
You're right, I just did a quick Google search, the average crude oil price for the year 2002 was @ 23 per barrel and in 2011 it was an average of $ 87 per barrel (Source: wwwdotiogadotcom /Special/crudeoil_Hist.htm crude oil price in 2002).

Having said that I think the UPA has messed up the economy big time.

Here's why:
1) Prices: The prices of all commodities, not related to petroleum products have sky rocketed and yet the UPA has done nothing. I suspect the Oxbridge trained economist likes high prices as that increases the GDP, which is measured independent of inflation.

2) MIS management of India's natural resources, like iron ore mines. We could have made minning a world class industry with best practices in safety, environment and health along with the highest levels of efficiency. Rather we have made minning an activity limited to inexperienced, largely unqualified people, whose sole interest in money making and NOT sustainable value creation, like the Reddy brothers in Bellary.

3) Large scale corruption, which has siphoned off money which would have been available for Indians in general into the coffers of vested interests.

4) Damage either through design or accident of national assets like our national carrier, Air India

5) Neglect of infrastructure building at a national scale. What has happened has largely happened in non Congress states like Bihar & Gujarat.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 09:35 AM
OS, I cannot speak for India, but for myself, the answer to your above question is as below:

1) Firstly, please understand that I voted for Mr. Vajpayee in the previous election, i.e. 1998 (I think).

2) When BJP / NDA was in power, they were getting the country together, building up infrastructure like the Golden Quadrilateral etc.

3) Personally, my salary was much lower in those days, the fruits of the seeds sown by NDA had not yet come in. I saw no tax concessions and no real great salary hikes. I felt economically stifled. My basic needs were challenged.

4) I was also severly put off by people like Murli Manohar Joshi and his dictum that people have to take off their shoes before entering his office. I felt this is very retrograde, maybe next he will expect people to touch his feet, like that Amma in South India. I only touch my parents' feet and have taught my daughter to not touch anyone's feet. I find extremely humiliating, like giving up my ability to think for myself. So, I cannot tolerate people like Murli Manohar Joshi.

6) Finally, I was very upset that Gujarat riots happened and Atal Behari Vajpayee did nothing about it, he just made some statements and forgot about the whole thing, I found that pretty hypocritical.


In retrospect, I now understand that NDA had done a far better job than UPA on the economy. The UPA has destroyed our economy. I enjoy a high salary today, but that is the fruits of the seeds sown by NDA.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 09:41 AM
That is your thinking.Giving all credits what you are enjoying now to NDA and all evils to UPA.why BJP lost again in 2009?Any answers?

Why BJP cant win in UP and Uttarkhand even all these scams? Can BJP win of its own in Bihar and Punjab with ou the help of Badal and Nitish?

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Pele Lele
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by Pele Lele on May 24, 2012 09:53 AM
All these losses because of people like (voters) thinking like you Ms. Sushma. Now get lost with your idealogy and think for your tomorrow's meal I hope you will manage to get it in spite of petrol price hike.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:00 AM
I am using cycle for last 35 years,i dont need a petrol car.I never even voted for any party.Does BJP thought people will digest "India shining' or "20 rupee sari scheme" to make people vote for them?

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:17 AM
You may not need to eat two large meals and two smaller meals a day also, maybe you eat only once a day, like the great Anna Hazare.

I eat four times a day and use a 100 HP Petrol Sedan. I want every Indian to have the opportunity to work hard to enjoy this lifestyle. Make no mistake I also started out on a motorcycle 11 years ago, my father did not gift me this lifestyle.

In all this, I also respect those, who like you or Anna Hazare or Mahatma Gandhi have simple needs. They have a space in our lives, as long as we, consumerists have a space in theirs.

BTW, I do hope you know Sarojini Naidu's famous quote on Bapu's simple lifestyle?

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:26 AM
If you have lavish Life style,you struggle,You can live in your consumeristic world of life.You said your father was teacher,but it doesnt seems that he taught you about any values it seems.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:36 AM
Sushama whatever,
I never said my father was a teacher. He is a son of a dirt poor Bengali family, who had to start fending for himself immediately after his 10th standard as my grandfather (a wondeful but poor person) could not afford to teach or support him anymore. As the eldest of 6 siblings (well Grandpa may been poor, but he WAS good in at least something!), my father worked informally (taught tuitions), supported his family a little, attended part time / night college. My father retired around 2002 as an AMIE (equivalent to engineering), post Diploma in Managament, the number 2 person in the Research & Development function of one of India's largest automotive companies, a person who has travelled to not less than 20 ood countries outside India. On the way, he also sponsored the marraige of his two sisters.

If values means living a simple life, either out of choice or laziness or circumstance, AND looking down on those who work hard to improve their lives, then I'm glad I did not inherit these values.

You may feel very happy about yourself, I think you're just jealous.

BTW, you're not alone in your views, read interviews of the Talibani terrorists, they are convinced they have a great 'value system', where they mistreat their women and blow up civillians and those who don't agree with them, don't have a value system!

As I said elsewhere, I respect your choice to be poor, perhaps you need to learn the value of repsecting the choices of others.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:55 AM
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iveanid, no my income today is multiples of what it was in 2004. But that is not the case with the rickshaw puller or domestic help. They are also people and have as much right to India as people like you and me who can type on a keyboard using impeccable (dare I say) English as a medium of communication.

I find the rates of food atrocious today. My retired father, with a fixed income has become significantly poorer over the past five year'

For your Information,My family(JUST 30 is drawing a monthly income of 3 lakhs,and enjoying non-vegterian food,that also in a metro,yet able to lead simple,i am paying my servant Rs 7000 per months plus diwali bonus.Live with lot of compassion and humanity,not in the world of Sedans, Lamborghini or Rolls royce

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:21 AM
In reply to Sushama..

So you pay your domestic help (try to avoid calling people servants, it helps to keep be equal to you in some ways, like they can eat at the same table with you) Rs 7000 per month, so what? Is that your example of simple living or compassion?

What is your message? Are you saying that all people should pay their employees a minimum of Rs. 7000 per month? Isn't reducing prices of basic commodities a more logical approach?

Also, I find hard to believe when taken together, your claims of cycling around, living in a metro and earning Rs. 3 lacs per month. However, I cannot verify.

BTW, a clarification, I don't own a Lamborghini, & don't think anyone who does comments here.

I don't think living well or simply, has anything with being compassionate.

Some of the meanest wretches that I have come across are middle class.

Many professionals are actively involved in social work.

Personally: My domestic help can take leave when she wants, she does not have to take complaints from us, or even seek our permission, she just informs us. Her salary is never cut, not because we are gracious people, but because leave, is a fundamental right.

My wife is a professional social worker, she teaches Developmental Activities in a leading college. I am involved with more than one charity, through my wife.

I still eat four meals a day and drive that 100 HP Sedan (NOT a Lamborghini).

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om shanti
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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 09:45 AM
Good observation..

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 09:57 AM
"When BJP / NDA was in power, they were getting the country together, building up infrastructure like the Golden Quadrilateral etc"

Etc? No etc. That is the only thing they themselves claimed to have done.
The UPA has built more miles of roads per year than NDA did. Esp in rural areas. The national highway project with 60m roads is going on all over India.

Just that the propaganda machinery of BJP makes a big noise for the golden quadilateral thing and the failed river-linking projects.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:09 AM
I'm glad the river linking failed, its environmental impact needs to be studied and discussed with Indians before undertaking such a mammoth task.

However, under UPA can you please tell me some examples of roads built? I always thought villages are in states and these roads come under the local / state administrations, not the National Highway Authority of India. Despite that, if the UPA has at least pushed some states to build rural roads, that is good, can you please share?

The naitonal highway project with 60m roads is going on all over India. OK, does it have a timeline or is it a life long project as long as the earth continues to exist. The BJP built up most of the GQ, now which are the roads being built, what is the vision. How many kilometers of roads have been laid in the last 8 years? I suspect, very little.

But I have an open mind and am willing to listen.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:21 AM
People decided in 1977,1980,1989,1996,2009,2004 and 2009 about their future.Why are you getting hyper about NDA rule.Voters are not just fools as BJP thinks.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:43 AM
Nobody is getting hyper about anything, this is a healthy debate. Please check up the meaning of hyper.

Yes, the people of India have demonstrated political maturity, especially in voting. Now the next level has arrived / been reached wherein Indians are demanding accountability from their politicians during their elected terms. What's wrong with that?

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 11:08 AM
The dictionary meanings and Indian slang are different,which you may not knowing.
If people want accountability,the Answer is not Jokepal and Anna Hazare.We need strong electoral rules,so that criminals and corrupt must not enter the temples of democracy.Why BJP didnt come up with strong electoral rules when they were in power.Why BJP hate people like Lygodoh and Qureshi who are advocating strong electoral rules.

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 10:23 AM
"However, under UPA can you please tell me some examples of roads built?"

The national highways are under central govt. It is these roads that come under the national highway project.
Second, much of the money state govts uses to build local roads come from the central govt. scheme.

To give examples: In kerala, the NH47 land acquiring is going on. The state govt has asked the wodth to be limited to 45m than 60m. The funds for rehab also comes from central govt.
Another way is to look at the books of NHAI. It is public limited company, books are available public. Another way is to look at the balance sheets of GVK, GMR JP infra kind of companies.

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 10:25 AM
There was a target of this many miles per year set by NHAI. Needless to say, it hasn't been achieved. But its chugging along, overshooting targets and budgets...like a steam engine.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:44 AM
OK. If roads are being built that is great, we need roads. All the best to UPA, I'm not against any party, just FOR development of India.

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 10:04 AM
Yeah right, the seeds were sown in 5 years. Such strong seeds and such skilled hands!
get a grip AI! The economy improved because of liberalization, which BJP oppsed tooth and nail in the 1990s. You may read rediff archives to know about the ridiculous manchs and all backed by BJP of that time.

If you look at world economy, the post 2000 was the last leg of a bull cycle. Then lehmann bros crashed, and UPA deserves credit for not taking this country down the route of Greece/Spain.

How easily said 'the seeds sown by NDA'!

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:26 AM
"The economy improved because of liberalization, which BJP oppsed tooth and nail in the 1990s."

I could not agree with you more on this. P. V. Narasimha Rao is without doubt my great hero, and credit must also be given to his team, the clerks, office boys etc., therein. Yes the BJP opposed it, that is their main capability, cynical opposition of EVERYTHING when they are in the opposition. Hence as I mentioned somewhere esle, I did not vote for the BJP after the 1998 elections.

The world economy went into a trough. Prior to that the Asian economy and the tigers went into a tailspin in the 1990s I think, though not sure.

However, India's survival is NOT designed by politicians, BJP Or Congress, it is the side effect of very little integration into the World Economy.

Please stop comparing with countries like Greece / Spain. That is like looking at the idiot in class, who does drugs, harasses every female in college and convincing yourself that even though you have passed in the bottom 5 percentile of your class, at least you're better off than him.

Tumna, giveanid, apna pyas badhao!

Greece a country of I think 55 million people has run up debts the size of a country like India (claims to be verified). Can you imagine the profligacy?

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 10:35 AM
"However, India's survival is NOT designed by politicians, BJP Or Congress, it is the side effect of very little integration into the World Economy."

This apolitical escapism is not my cup of tea. If you blame politicians for corruptions, you must give credit to them for the economical upliftment too.

Greece/Spain is pertinent, because these countries were once considered higher than us in development indices, and their 'infrastructure' is well developed. Argentina is an example that went belly up in the 90s when liberalization went wrong.
India's debt is 8.5% of GDP. The govt has no choice but to cut the subsidy bills, esp for oil. Now think about that before opposing oil price hike.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:53 AM
Its not apolitical escapism. India did not go down the tube, BECAUSE of economical (SIC) upliftment, but rather because of LACK of economic upliftment due to integration with the world economy.

On Greece / Spain, you are correct, I had missed that perspective.

I'm not upset about petroleum prices, but about the general mismanageemnt of the economy. If you see my posts above, I'm upset about the poor infrastructure in India.

I agree that Greece / Spain etc. have good infrastructure (I've not visited these countries though), therefore their economic crises is very different from India's. They don't have our basic problems, they are struggling with unemployment and low growth rates, not with farmers committing suicide and high growth rates!

I was speaking with a taxi driver of Pakistani origin in London, to understand his take on the British economic slowdown. He said that ten years ago, when he came to UK, his income was around GBP 5000 per month, now it is reduced to around GBP 2600 per month. That is scary no doubt.

However, there are many factors here.
Firstly, with GBP 2600 he has a better standard of living than most Indians alive today will achieve in their lifetimes.
Second, I suspect he has not started working harder to offset the reduced income, in fact I doubt he works more than 8 hours a day. Indians in India work much, much harder to just stay alive.
UK is having leadership issues.
UK has very limited natural resources, unlike India.

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Pele Lele
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by Pele Lele on May 24, 2012 09:46 AM
They were kicked out by religious minded Moz minorities who don't know how to prosper, and the same characters will sink this country in Arabian Sea very soon.

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 09:52 AM
That's a logical argument. 15% of the population is actually defeating the wishes of the remaining 85% of the population in a voting process where one person has one vote.

Now please starting talking about how Muslims vote as a bloc etc. & how Hindus don't vote.

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Pele Lele
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by Pele Lele on May 24, 2012 09:57 AM
Oh that means you really know the reasons, and good study of Indian voters with foresight.

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:04 AM
15% controlling The wishes of 85%,which world are u living to tell this type of lopsided arguments?

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:20 AM
In a world where sarcasm is understood without explanatory notes! :)

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:20 AM
Infact Pele got my sarcasm and joke and replied equally sarcastically, you missed it!

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Sushama SwayamBhogRaj
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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:41 AM
Not Sarcasm,but selective Myopism.Sour Grapes.

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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:24 AM
My comment put into numbers what Pele implied in words! The numbers by themselves are ridiculous, which was my intention in teh first place, to ridicule i.e. to be sarcastic.

Can you now explain how you found the post selectively Myopic?

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 09:50 AM
In 2004 your income were same as today?

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om shanti
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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 09:54 AM
Now,I do my own business,so it is not same.

If you are happy with UPA,I have no issues..

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giveanid
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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 10:00 AM
I know you have business (In China).
So your income has gone up, but you can't accept the other things that has gone up proportionally.

All in all, Im happier today than I was in 2004. Are you?

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om shanti
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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 10:04 AM
I am always happy about myself,I am just concerned about our poor people..

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Argumentative Indian
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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 10:03 AM
giveanid, no my income today is multiples of what it was in 2004. But that is not the case with the rickshaw puller or domestic help. They are also people and have as much right to India as people like you and me who can type on a keyboard using impeccable (dare I say) English as a medium of communication.

I find the rates of food atrocious today. My retired father, with a fixed income has become significantly poorer over the past five years.

More importantly, the mis management of prices & infrastructure by UPA has been most frustrating. Our local administrations continue to stink, but our state and national leaders are least bothered.

I find people like Kapil Sibal, Chidambaram, Pranab Mukherjee and above all Manmohan Singh completely cut off from MY reality. I never hear them talking about prices, but about some FDI in retail. I never hear about them talk of clearing power projecs quickly, but always hear them sing the praises of nuclear power. I never hear them talk about rainwater harvesting or wind or solar energy or building more roads or laying new railway tracks or even developing basic infrastructure in Kashmir and NE states.

My parents, who are elderly people, visited Kashmir in 2010 (I've never visited) and reported that last mile connectivity at every tourist spot is atrocious, you HAVE to either walk or preferably take a horse. Just think of this from the perspective of a 68 year old man and a 65 year old home maker.

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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:07 AM
My parents are also retired Teachers.They can live with their Pensions,They are living very fine like us.

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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 10:11 AM
Happiness is a state of mind.It is good when you are happy.Happy people spreads happiness.

But aspirations change from generation to generation.

You have to think about your kids also.In what kind of world they will live in the future...

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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:18 AM
Not Kids,but Kid.Go to villages,you can see happy people living there also.I dont want them live in world of hatred,which BJP is propagating.

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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 10:27 AM
I agree.

But where is BJP propagating hatred ?

Its kangress who divided the nation on caste,state and reli_gion..

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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:35 AM
Instead of serious legislation,what BJP ruled states have come up with,rules aganist religious conversion,Cow slaughter,Controlling minority run instititutions,taking India to Taliban Model?There are BJP ruled states who conduct exams on Good Fridy,Easter an Muharrm,what they are achieving by spreading this hatred.Think in the lines of Most advanced countries in the world not like Taliban lines.

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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:19 AM
Sushama...,
which village did you visit? I visit villages regularly and don't see any happiness there. Infact I see the people much more miserable than in the city. Are you talking about villages in India?

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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:52 AM
Sushama...,
I find this behaviour of BJP, like conduct exams on Good Fridy,Easter an Muharrm.
That is why I did not vote for them ever after 1998 and frankly don't think they will win elections till the become more sober and rational.

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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:53 AM
Sushama...,
I find this behaviour of BJP, like conduct exams on Good Fridy,Easter an Muharrm absolutely disgusting.
That is why I did not vote for them ever after 1998 and frankly don't think they will win elections till the become more sober and rational.



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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:29 AM
I don't know if your parents are retired teachers from government or a private school. Which private school pays pensions? The pensions of government employees increase with pay commissions. My father was a private employee. His pension is fixed.

Secondly, just because your parents are happy, does not mean that price rise is justified.

Please talk about things which can be measured.

When I gave the example of my parents, it was pertinent to measureable fixed income, I did not talk about whether they are happy or not. Please do not proceed to assume they are unhappy.
That in now way detratcts from what I said earlier that "My retired father, with a FIXED INCOME has become significantly poorer over the past five years"

I'm curious, you're the son of retired teachers, who now lives in metro and makes Rs. 3 lacs per month. What DO you do?

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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 10:07 AM
Tourist inflow to China is 10 times more that of India.Just imagine,how much USD can flow in if we have good infrastructure to tourist destinations,hassle_free travelling and an attitude to serve (Sewa_Ka_Bhawna)

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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:09 AM
Understand chinese culture and indian culture are differnt.

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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 10:12 AM
Our culture says to take good things from all cultures and develop our nation.India is the land of unity in diversity...

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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:15 AM
So you are able digest that Nehruvian Logic to control india by his dynasty?

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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 10:22 AM
Not at all..

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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 10:19 AM
As if someone is against developing infrastructure!

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by giveanid on May 24, 2012 10:16 AM
"But that is not the case with the rickshaw puller or domestic help". Arm chair analyst?

I can prove that rikshaw driver and domestic help gets more than double the income these days. Infact, domestic helps in Kerala earns 3 to 4 times they earned in 2004.

Rates of food: it is pretty selfish on your part that you are not willing to let the farmers and storekeepers multiply their income. After Lehman brothers flopped, world economy went through a perilious phase and you should be thankful to the govt that your income is still safe, not like the Greeks!

You talk about FDI in retail as some high-end thing. FDI in retail helps stop the wastage of food and crops by building up storage facilities. It is always easy to sit back and comment superfluously.

Wind/Solar Energy: If the proof of the pudding is in eating, if money shows what works.... just have a look at how the private companies in the field fare (like suzlon). Again, it is easy to write. Nuclear power is the cheapest source of power. Tell me how many countries in this world have solar power as their primary power source?

Kashmir is a different case anyway. Without peace there can be no development.

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by om shanti on May 24, 2012 10:25 AM
But situation is not same everywhere in India.People are dying_from starvation in remote areas..

I agree on your view on FDI on retail and nuclear power..

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by Sushama SwayamBhogRaj on May 24, 2012 10:29 AM
Lazy people will starve,In Kerala today it is Hartal.But it is state where daily labourer gets wages RS 350 per day and school teacher in a unaided school is paid rs 3000 month.

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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:49 AM
giveanid, Kerala yes. What about domestic help in Poschim Bongo or Maharshtra?

Today rickshawallahs' earn around Rs. 6000 - 8000 per month, not sure whtat they earned in 2002. How is it relevant? Should people not be able to improve their living standards?

"it is pretty selfish on your part that you are not willing to let the farmers and storekeepers multiply their income"

My Mama is a farmer in WB, but I don't find his income increasing. I don't see ANY change in the lifestlyes of the grocer next to my house, from 2004 or of the vegetable vendors on the streets, some of whom I know from around 2008.

SO, I WONDER, WHERE does all the money, which results from the increase in food prices GO?

I know the benefits of FDI in retail. What if the benefits accrue to the DMK and the Indian people are again left sucking their thumbs? 2G spectrum was auctioned on first come first served basis ostensibly to let Indians get low cost telephony. SO, why did some companies pay each other hundreds of crores of rupees to sell / buy these licenses, AFTER auction? Who finally benefitted? Who finally will benefit with FDI in retail?
Can we have a provision, that if less than 50% targets of storage facilities are not achieved after say 5 years then the foreign investments will be nullified / siezed and the investors sent home?

Nuclear power is cheap, but Indian lives are cheaper. How many countries in this world have a Rs. 300 Cr. cap on liability in nuclear power?

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by Magesh N on May 24, 2012 04:57 PM
I am amazed at this thread of jobless people

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by Argumentative Indian on May 24, 2012 11:58 AM
Do you recall, Dow or maybe UC's attorney or some executive actually commented that USD 500 per person, is PLENTY for an INDIAN LIFE after the Bhopal gas tragedy?

I'm not a moron refusing development, but we have been let down so badly by our leaders that today they have no credibility in my eyes, regardless of party lines.

I think the solution is to take more active part in electoral democracy and keep the elected representatives accountable.

In fact, despite all the humbug of policy paralysis, I think what is happening in today's India portends for a better future.

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