U think thats brilliant? He was no. 1 in rankings exactly 1 year back after making runs on the subcontinent pitches. Now he has slipped to no. 12 after the Eng and Aus tour. The WI tour was in between where he was a total failure too. this no. 12 is nothing to be proud of.
Re: haha
by Mr Infinity on Jun 13, 2012 12:46 PM
Yes, may be you took that sentence in wrong way. May be you think every sentence that has word Sachin in it is to praise him. :)
That sentence is there so show how bad we have performed throughout year. We were so bad that none of our players is in top 10 and only 3 of them managed to be in top 20.
Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 01:29 PM
just wait and watch the number of sachintards who will jump at this article to soothe their battered egos....
Re: Re: Re: haha
by bhunu pro on Jun 13, 2012 01:36 PM
and also sachinbashers to keep alive their nevr ending hypocisy :)..for eg:: the first 2 comments on this articles were indeed from sachin haters..lage raho !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by Against Pseudos on Jun 13, 2012 02:09 PM
No. To YOUR kind, who believe Sachin is past his prime whilst other Indians languish outside the top 20.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 02:16 PM
AP. who said anything about other indians? if we agree that other indians are worse and that sachin is slightly better off than the worst indian, will you agree? I am not comparing sachin with other indians here. we all know none of the indian batsmen made an impression over the last year (i am talking only tests. dravid, kohli and sachin himself shone briefly, but probably didnt do enough). but that still doesnt let you concede sachin was abysmal, same as the rest. isnt that hypocrisy??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by Against Pseudos on Jun 13, 2012 02:29 PM
:-)... So being in world Top 20 is now termed "Abysmal"? Fantastic!! ;-) BTW pls elaborate whether he should play for India or not. ;-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 02:19 PM
whatever sachin does is ok. even in defeat, sachin is never to blame. its about other 10 players or just the poor bowlers. isnt that hypocricy??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by bhunu pro on Jun 13, 2012 02:34 PM
@fink..hippo-crazy comes when for evry other thing on the ground sachin is ponited..even for samosa not being served hot !!Note :: Cricket matches are never won or lost by a single individual
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 02:48 PM
fine AP, its a fantastic achievement. thilan samaraweera is ranked 6. what does that make him? sachin to the power of gazillion??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 14, 2012 03:18 PM
wow, AP, you sure do unearth hidden gems from a conversation when none seem to exist. thilan in indian team? i wonder what kind of warped thinking made you deduce that?
Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by Mr Infinity on Jun 13, 2012 02:09 PM
Yeah, just looked at the board here and found that people just can't move on from Sachin. They will hate him or love him but can't talk cricket without his name. What a shame. :)
Can't even find a good big name in Indian cricket to bash or love to? No wonder we have no player in top 10. :D
Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 02:45 PM
AP : atleast we agree that we both fall in the same category of hypocrites. thats a beginning.
Bhunu : you have proved that you are the quintessential sachintard and hypocrite by defending sachin tooth and nail. so individuals have no place in cricket huh? coming from a sachitard, that is the joke of the century.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by bhunu pro on Jun 13, 2012 02:56 PM
may b joke for u.. hope u r not referring Djoker :) .. sachinbashers have a single agenda to crib about sachin..for the same reason they needed to be aware of facts..so def individual have part in a game.. tell me 1 match where only 1 person himslef won the match whilst oall 10 players failed ?;-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 03:08 PM
bhunu, i cannot provide you an instance when only 1 person won the game for his team. but i am sure you can tell me of instances where in a defeat 10 persons were responsible and only one person was not responsible for the defeat.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by nehul gupta on Jun 13, 2012 03:41 PM
@fink man you're one of those who'll always be try to flatter the rising sun..people like you have no fixed opinions..2007-2011, was fantastic for him...one "bad season" as you may say, for he "slipped" to no.12?? incredible..and you're only talkin beause sachin himself has set the standards so high
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by bhunu pro on Jun 13, 2012 03:45 PM
@Fink.. you go by earlier threads.. matches are won and lost collectively.. and the same is applicbale for India and Sachin as well( he is part of the loosing cause too)...however.."India lost match because of scahin or his century"-- a fallcious statement.. its always collective failure..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 04:05 PM
bhunu, when sachin scores, its always a fantastic and he is the best and he is hailed. but when he doesnt score, it is a collective failure. thats what you have always been maintaining. and thats what i mean when i say you act hypocritically. by you, i mean all you sachintards. you praise him alone to the skies for his achievements. but take care to share blame when he fails!
nehul gupta, 2007-11 was fantastic for him since a majority of the matches were played on the flattest of tracks. and hence many others too had fantastic seasons (laxman for ex). and for your info, i was a sachin critic much earlier than 2007. statistics can make sachin look terrific, but if you care for a microscopic view of his batting, you can see that it hasnt been all that great as his stats make it out to be. and to see that, you need to take into account many factors like conditions, pitches, way of scoring runs, importance to the team's cause etc. and i really dont think it would be worthwhile to go down that road again. i am not up for an argumentative evening. ciao.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by bhunu pro on Jun 13, 2012 04:10 PM
@Fink :: Not sure from where u r deriving these logics..when sachin scores offcousre ppl will hail him .. and ppl stared calling him best after 7-8 years in his careers.. not from day 1 :) He had build dat reputation. Wrt loosing Sachinheaters have a single agenda to put blame on him.. whether he scores or not ;-)..so lets continue attacking and defending..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 04:21 PM
bhunu, i think you are wrong. sachin fans praise him when the going is good and refuse to criticize him when the going is bad, attributing myriad reasons for his bad going. as a sachin critic, i acknowledge a good sachin innings when i see one. but those occassions have been rare. i cant say the same about sachin fans.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by bhunu pro on Jun 13, 2012 04:26 PM
@fink::what u would say if a person fails 3 out of 10 times but successfull 7 times ? you need look from stats perspective not generic..and offcousre if u r a fan u need to reason out..just cant hate someone for couple of failures..not just sachin..same goes for other players outside cricket as well..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 13, 2012 05:08 PM
i am not against someone who fails 3 times out of 10, contrary to your perception. statistics are important but not the only means to judge a player. if statistics reveal everything, thilan samaraweera should be a world class batsman, equal to tendulkar. but we dont recognize him that way, do we?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 14, 2012 02:03 PM
so noe stats are just one of the factors. it doesnt seem that way when sachintards shout from the rooftops about his 10o centuries and unbreakable records. selective analysis always leads to holes in argument.
i have no problems with sachin in his early years. i agree wholeheartedly that he was india's best player then. i enjoyed watching him play then.
i enjoyed sachin's 175 against australia too. i enjoyed it more than the 117 he made in the CB series first final, because it was an attacking innings without any of his usual inhibitions.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by bhunu pro on Jun 14, 2012 08:59 AM
@Fink :: How long Sameerweera career is.. consistent over a longer period is greatness and in every format.. eg:: Hussey is great in contemporary crickt but he dont have long career to boast ..as with longertivity .. ur average declines.. and he who mainatains it ..is class apart !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by fink fanther on Jun 14, 2012 09:08 AM
But we are concerned only about averages here, isnt it? acc to sachin fans statistics are paramount. why bring samaraweera's longetivity into picture here suddenly? (another case of hypocrisy) look at his stats and judge. from that point of view, samaraweera deserves as much accolades as sachin gets. btw, he has been around for more than a decade. isnt that good enough for you? even his early career was as a bowler who could bat a bit. but he turned it around and became a top order batsman.....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: haha
by bhunu pro on Jun 14, 2012 09:38 AM
Turnaround things and all are diff aspects..we are talking about greatest batsman. If comparing Sachin with samarveera..even if later has a decade long career .. Sachin has double the longetivity..which is much more tougher to perform throughout..In that sense..RahulDravid is much better then Samarveera too.. Stats are just one of the factor..now look at the first 8 years of sachin where he was lone warrior against best attacks.. secondly the critics says his century is in loosing caause..pick up 175 against aussie or the 4th inn against pak(chennai) Shrajah cup semi.. or even latest 2012 WC.. where he performed team failed..so u cant blame him for that.. and Samarveera would not even be best amaong Srilnakan batsman when you see 5 years from now..D'silva is anytime great
Re: Re: Re: haha
by akak on Jun 13, 2012 02:33 PM
Mr Anti sachin, where are your praised one's , other so called talented youngsters than sachin in that list ??.
Re: Now, Comparison of Centuries
by bhunu pro on Jun 13, 2012 12:40 PM
Number of records are Greatest Instance of Contemporary Era..as they would be termed as one of the greatest.. Laxman 281 is noway demeaning then 400 of Lara.. and no. of ODI innings and quite a few Test inn of Sach can be included too..
