Re: Mr. SV
by santosh deshpande on Jul 08, 2012 01:09 PM
u see d volume of matches played by Sachin. Maintaining such an average for 20 years definitely stands out
Re: Mr. SV
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 01:15 PM
it was just an example i was giving. that 50 plus average is test average that i meant. it was just an example. i meant to say that if sachin's batting average (test) goes below 50 after further failures it does not mean that it was never 50 plus. what i wanted to tell surya das was that in the later part of his career siddhu was not as successful and his career average went below 40. but for a long period of time it was 40 plus and that he was our first 40 plus average odi batsman. others followed later.
Re: Mr. SV
by taklu on Jul 08, 2012 01:41 PM
ok, even as you're talking about ODIs, you're factually correct, Trott has had his average in 50s mostly, and tendu never crossed 50 even once , but i will add another dimension to it, trott's sr. rate has crossed 80 just once, while sachin has had an sr rate mostly in the 80s. moreover Trott has played far less innings than sachin has played, and consequently sachin facing a whole variety of bowlers on different conditions thru the years.
Other than that, it's not just about stats, as far as i'm concerned trott is very boring to watch, not just him i have this opinion of others too in england top order. compare that with flair of tendulkar. I find our batsmen very pretty to watch, compare the flair of indian, aus, pak, windies batsmen to english batsmen. they're bland and boring for me. statistically they're 'ok' cuz they're sticking in there and doing their job and adding stability to england's batting.
Australian public through various forums reacts to the defeat. There is anger and lots of them making fun of few players like Bailey Forrest etc and the selectors but no downright abuses like in the indian forum like rediff. check foxsports
Re: greg could help aus
by surya das on Jul 08, 2012 06:52 AM
Greg himself is a disgrace_cricketer in history of world cricket, who had advised his younger brother to bowl under_arm so that NZ cant hit a 6 nd win B&H final..watch the most_disgraceful moment in cricket history..in_ytube
Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 09:01 AM
so what if he did that? it does not mean he is a bad batsman or bad coach...the 2 things are very different. dont mix things. tomorrow you will say because he did that he was a bad batsman. any relation between the two events?
Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 09:05 AM
that way people also say look at sachin he sold ferrari which was a gift...he got his tax waived...he is in rajyasabha while he is a active cricketer ...he is saying he is on top and it is selfish to retire...but is he on top? his average is around 37 in tests and 27 in odis for the last 11 tests and 11 odis respectively...does that mean he cannot play cricket and he has no records in his name? both are different things and entirely unconnceted with each other...
if he is a good coach then thats that what he asked his brother to do is irrelevant...and if he is a bad coach he is a bad coach...even if the was the most sporting cricketer and had not instructed his brother to do that, that would not make him a good coach.
so please dont drive silly conclusions from unconnected incidents...
Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 09:07 AM
by your logic shall i say sachin is useless batsman and a disgrace to cricket because if you remember he was found guilty of tampering with the ball....
but whether or not he is a great batsman and that he was accused of tampering the ball are 2 entirely different and unconnected things...so dont confuse things and dont get confused yourself...
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by surya das on Jul 08, 2012 09:39 AM
dont go by my logic..first correct ur own logic.
Firstly, Sachin didn't tamper the ball. It was ur ugly_mind think so. I can recollect my memory well, during Sa test match on a rainy day..it was mud which he was trying to take out b4 giving to bowler Prasad. But, as I said earlier.. when enemies are at home, u no need to find outside..
and, about Greig..if u understand my logic then never come up such idiotic conclusion. a coach is person who should teach you how to be a good sportperson first then a successor of the game.. a disgrace_cricketer never be a good coach..cause he will divide within the team.. we ve seen him in India, and in aus too..where he was kicked out of selection panel.. Forget my logic, think of ur own logic..
Last night when I asked u to show me one name in 90s, whose batting ag is well above 40 nd SR is more than or around 85.. ur ans was Shidhu..which itself shows ur presence of mind..whose avg is 37 nd SR is 69.. now check ur own logc then come back to me.. don't just argue in fake..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by surya das on Jul 08, 2012 09:54 AM
Forget Indian batsmen, tell me any batsmen in the world in 90s who is fit into this.. whole life if u will search, you won't find anyone..except Sachin..this is universal truth.. no matter whether people like u accept or not.
Regarding currect case, last night also informed that.. he should play only test for few more years if possible, but ODI he should leave his place to younger generation.. and about current test avg..tell me how many present Indian players who ve better test avg in past 11 test..tell me if you get more than 1..then come back to me
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by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 11:05 AM
again ur posting irrelevant posts about what is the average of other 10 player in the last 11 odis and test etc. etc. let me tell you dravid's could be better because he was successful in england tests. similarly dhoni's average is surely better in odis because he was mos in england one dayers even though we were whitewashed in odis in england. but that is besides the point.
when somebody is a failure why are u asking whether others failed or not. even though there may be others with even less average that does not make sachin on top of his career...
btw do you know how many odi centuries sachin had in his first 60-65 odd odis? ZERO. one main reason is he played down the order and not at no. 1-3 so naturally chances of his getting centuries are less. so does that mean we should call him useless odi player. the same player later opened the innings and by virtue of being opening batsmen scored many hundreds (that too mostly were in easy chases and easy pitches rarely in difficult chases or difficult pitches)
now if i say raina has 2 centuries in his first 65 odd odis and sachin had none there fore raina is better than sachin? dont use such type of logic while arguing mr surya das...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 10:59 AM
now that is one hilarious post surya das. i said sidhu was the first person in odi cricket with 40 plus average. that is true. he scored 4 50s in his first 4 odis and arrived with a bang. i am not talking about his final statistics.
that way if sachin ends up HIS career with average less than 50 does it mean that he never was above 50 average player.
similarly for a great part of his career dean jones had 50 plus average in both tests and odis...same for viv...if at the end of their career they were not so succesful and there ave. went below 50 so what? thats what i said about your confused and muddle logic. we saw how sachin failed in aus and eng and we were whitewashed so how can you say sachin is a good batsman and can bat well abroad against good bowlers and in swinging conditions. obviously he cant.
one more hilarious statement is about my ugly mind. i simply pointed out what had happened. i have never mentioned what i think about that incident. and you go on about ugly mind and what not.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 11:15 AM
and in passing may i add one more thing mr surya das...what greg did was entirely within the framework of existing rules at that point of time....so at least you cannot accuse him of not playing according to rules of the game...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by surya das on Jul 08, 2012 12:12 PM
if u cant read or understand my words let me know.. its 3rd time, Im saying tell me a player in 90s whose avg is above 40 nd SR is well above 80 plus.. then, why u keep telling funny part.. Dean Jones were never be with SR 80 plus ..forget about 85.. and why did u drag Viv here.. his last days were in early 91..that also few matches.. now dont Bring Bradman ..now.. haha
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 01:22 PM
surya das, please tell me from which match no. to which match no. sachin had 40 plus average? similarly for his strike rate?
for the first 65 odd odis he was a failure. i am telling you sidhu was a 40 plus average with good strike rate. similarly azhar was one good odi batsman with a good strike rate?
can you be a little more specific you are giving sachin's current average and strike rate and trying to pass it of as something that he always had right from his first odi to his last odi?
please make some reasonable request? what you are asking is absurd. about strike rate kapil dev was much better in strike rate than sachin. just like sehwag has better strike rate than sachin. so shall i say kapil and sehwag are better players? will you agree?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 01:39 PM
surya das your assertion that sachin's average in the 90s was 40 plus and strike rate more than or around 85 and your asking me to find such indian players is silly, absurd, illogical and unreasonable request. you seem to be labouring under the misconception that sachin's current odi average and strike rate is the one that he always had throughout his career from his 1st odi to his last odi.
do you realize what you are asking? let me tell you in 1991 sachin played 14 odis at 34.75 runs average with strike rate of 74.46. in 1992 he played 21 odis with average of 39.11 with strike rate 69.08. in 1993 sachin played 18 odi matches with average of 24.53 and strike rate of 73.16. and you are asking me to find somebody with 40 plus ave. and 85 strike rate? can you at least now see how absurd and ridiculous your request was?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 08, 2012 01:40 PM
as you can see sachin himself does not fit into the criteria that you mentioned.
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by invincible on Jul 09, 2012 11:01 AM
Very well said Surya... "when enemies are at home, u no need to find outside" :)
Perfect statement for this Vaidya guy, always speaking nonsense. Good that he did not marry, else his wife would have run away with Sachin (or did she??)...?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by Sunil Vaidya on Jul 11, 2012 06:24 AM | Hide message
invincible you are an idiot, a silly statement...whose enemy am i please tell me?
also it is clear from your message that you are married and your wife ran away with sachin...now tell what is your problem that your wife had to run away with sahcin?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: greg could help aus
by BRUNO MONTEIRO on Jul 08, 2012 11:01 AM
If the same done by sachin regarding tampering of ball by any pakistani players.. you Mr. Surya Das would have shouted at the top of the voice that it is ball tampering.. Mr. Surya Das. First clean ur ugly mind and then tell others to clean theirs.. Cheers
Right now England is way, way ahead of the Aussies .... in any form of cricket. In fact, in their home conditions, or similar ones elsewhere, they seem way ahead of any team in world cricket today. It is only on spinning tracks that they seem unable to cope ... as Saeed Ajmal showed last year. But one feels they will have taken note of the same and will have been working on it too.
