WE ARE SO MUCH OBSESSED WITH ONE INDIVIDUAL TO DEMAND THAT HE BE DECORATED WITH BHARAT RATNA THAT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO APPRECIATE THE SUPERIOR TALENT AND COMMITMENT OF DRAVID. THANKS YOU GREG CHAPPEL FOR SHOWERING PRAISE ON THE DESERVING.
good captain but with no support chappell is spot on here. he was dropped from the ODI team when he deserved his place (average about 40). all of you think back about the 2007 WC but he wasn't the only player in the team everyone was there and they din perform. he did his best as captain with victories like the tour of england and consistent ODI victories. Dhoni failed in 2 t-20 WC and the Asia cup he sould be sacked but you wouldn't as you can argue the team failed not the captain. same can be said about dravid's 2007 WC misfortune. . the team failed not the captain.
Re: That's an Honour!
by Kutty on Jul 06, 2012 01:49 PM
Good joke that it is a book written by an English Brad :) Do you idiots ever bother to read news or just come here to show your pseudo knowledge? Timeless Steel is a collection of 30 pieces (new and previously published views) published by Walt Disney India and not yourfather Greg Chappel. No doubt that Rahul Dravid is great, but does ur EnglishFatherGreg have to tell that for you to wake up? Dont be a fool, that book contains excerpts from his wife, Cricinfo writers, Sanjay Bangar, Jason Gillespie etc.
Dravid is playing in the hands of Chapel or is he using Chapel to take out his grudge agaisnt his frmer team mates? In any case Indian cricket is the looser and Dravid is loosing respect.
Dravid is a legend...but who is chappel ? Most ppl here have 1 chappel in them..so they cant come out of self-pseudo-intellectuality and continue criticising only 1 person..who hs nothing to do with this topic!!..lage raho
Dravid was the only cerebral, emotionally stable, genuine cricketer & just lappebaaz. Those who criticise him don't do justice to the game. Indian team is known for groupism for decades. There is nothing new in what Greig has said.
Re: INDIAN CRICKET TEAM HAS ALWAYS HAD GROUPS
by sharath nb on Jul 06, 2012 12:35 PM
Few days back Dravid said in an interview that Greg spoke in a maneer to Sehwag, Sachin, Saurav which they didn't like. To which Rahul told Greg that no one has spoken to them that way. I have heard Harbhajan, Yuvraj and all say that Greg always put pressure on them and they couldn't perform well. Today Dravid said good words about Greg & Greg immediately jumps to support him and blame others. I'm not questioning Dravid here. Dravid has made genuiune comments. But Greg has just come jumping because of the only support he's received. Greg was thrown out from Aussie committee also. His way is not right. Even if we won't like it if our managers at work constantly put pressure & don't give importance to the guys who have been pillars for years & try to impose new things without anyone's support. The same must have happened to our team players as well.
Re: INDIAN CRICKET TEAM HAS ALWAYS HAD GROUPS
by sharath nb on Jul 06, 2012 12:49 PM
The way Greg approached must have not pleased Indian players. It is common to have favoritism towards certain players by coaches. Dravid must have been Greg's favorite. But he definitely didn't behave the way players wanted. Its the same in school where one teacher's ways is disliked by all students. But one or 2 students who are leaders become favorite. But a good teacher would be someone who knows how to handle things in a way where majority will like his or her approach. So just because Dravid said good things about Greg, doesn't Greg's words are godly. I mean no disrespect to Dravid, a great gentleman indeed. But Greg I don't think was the right man who wanted to divide the team. If he was good, he should have just replied to Dravid's comments by saying good things about him. Why again blame all other players. If they were jealous of Dravid, why did they win those consecutive ODIs, create Test history. Why did it happen later only. All players were supportive to him, we are a good team. So far no Indian has spoken bad about Greg unless he provoked them. He questioning Sachin's commitment, Ganguly's approach, Sehwag's attitude, only then guys have given it back to him. Till then no one even made any bad comments on him. He went away, that is it. No Indian player made any media comments about his behaviour. But Greg did it and it shows it all. He couldn't last with the Australian team either.
Sincere and dedicated people seldom get to the top of organisations in India.What they get as a gift of hard work is more work.Even if they get,they are often pulled down by nasty_work by some of the jealous_colleagues.
What Dravid did not do for Ganguly ! Apart from batting he took up wicket keeping to support the skipper.But when he got the job,neither Sehwag,nor Gambhir,nor some other seniors supported him.
Same is the case with Dhoni.He is often pulled down by Sehwag,Harbhajan and Gambhir.These guys perform recklessly in crucial matches.And as we know,Sachin plays for records and so it does not matter to him who is the captain.Dhoni is surviving due to once in a blue moon agressive batting,support of Raina and effort of Kohli who is doing with a hope to become the next captain.Above all, being from a hinterland like Jharkhand ,Dhoni seems no big threat to BCCI cult.BCCI does not want to get trapped in Mumbai,Delhi or Kolkata lobby,thats why they are supporting some one from Jharkhand.By the way,during Devegowda regime,Indian team became Karnataka lobby even players like David_Johnson,Sujith_Shamsunder making into the playing eleven.Right now BCCI has become Tamil lobby with Srinivasan and Shrikanth at the helm of affairs.
Had Dravid been in Australia,he would have been as successful as Steve Waugh.
Any way,what use digging grave now ? Chappell is writing the book to earn some dollars and rediff is posting for getting some hits into website,rest is history..
Re: ..
by Jiju on Jul 06, 2012 11:13 AM
So, what do you think is the solution to make people perform in crucial matches?
And I dont agree with some points of yours. Sehwag is always rash in batting. If he does well, it is an easy win for India. Else, others have to struggle to make it. Gambhir HAS contributed many a times. He was the top scorer in WC final, he scored a half century in the QF of the WC. Given his form, he did quite well in Australia also. Asia cup outing was as inconsistent as Sehwag with 100, 11, 0. And as you say, if some of the other players do badly under a person's captaincy they are at a bigger loss (as chokers or bad performers) than the captain.....
Without receiving support from the others, nobody will win a World cup or many matches in a row.
Re: Re: ..
by unique ram on Jul 06, 2012 11:27 AM
Mr.Jiju, Sehwag was the one who was total failure during Dravid's Captaincy. He has been more than 20 Chances and he did not crossed 50 run mark during this 20 matches. Don't just say that he is always rash batsman. He is representing a country and need have responsibalites. Not just throwing bat. Pls understand.
Re: Re: Re: ..
by Jiju on Jul 06, 2012 11:55 AM
Ms. Unique, when Sehwag's score graph was like a roller coaster (3,12,79,26,13,26,20,0,37,16,1,81,5,17,4,0,1,17,10,0 during Ganguly's captaincy in 2004), nobody blamed that he was letting Ganguly down. I can see only 2 half centuries in the above list. But when he dint have those 2 50s during Dravid's tenure, he becomes irresponsible?? :)
Whether we accept him or not, he is rash. His defense is quite weak and footwork is bad. He does not have patience at all. He scored just 198 runs in 8 innings in Australia. If u think he gave Dhoni a big "DHOKA" by not supporting him when needed, kindly understand that he has given himself a bigger "DHOKA".....
Having said that, I am a Dravid fan from almost a decade and a half. But you cant ignore the fact that Sehwag at many times has given one of the best possible victories through his flash-flood type innings....
Re: ..
by taklu on Jul 06, 2012 12:08 PM
Dhoni has pulled himself down, by not utilizing the match winners you described above. on the sehwag,gambhir points have been detailed by jiju. about bhajji too , it's dhoni who has pulled him down, and his fall started with dhoni's defensive captaincy that works in ODI but not in Tests.
Re: ..
by Raj on Jul 06, 2012 12:29 PM
Please come out with facts that the present BCCI is Tamil lobby. Do not just throw wayward comment for the sake of your dislike for Tamils. If you have true data please enlighten us with your wisdom.
Re: ..
by Raj on Jul 06, 2012 12:30 PM
Please come out with facts that the present BCCI is Tamil lobby. Do not just throw wayward comment for the sake of your dislike for Tamils. If you have true data please enlighten us with your wisdom.
Re: ..
by sharath nb on Jul 06, 2012 12:52 PM
The way Greg approached must have not pleased Indian players. It is common to have favoritism towards certain players by coaches. Dravid must have been Greg's favorite. But he definitely didn't behave the way players wanted. Its the same in school where one teacher's ways is disliked by all students. But one or 2 students who are leaders become favorite. But a good teacher would be someone who knows how to handle things in a way where majority will like his or her approach. So just because Dravid said good things about Greg, doesn't Greg's words are godly. I mean no disrespect to Dravid, a great gentleman indeed. But Greg I don't think was the right man who wanted to divide the team. If he was good, he should have just replied to Dravid's comments by saying good things about him. Why again blame all other players. If they were jealous of Dravid, why did they win those consecutive ODIs, create Test history. Why did it happen later only. All players were supportive to him, we are a good team. So far no Indian has spoken bad about Greg unless he provoked them. He questioning Sachin's commitment, Ganguly's approach, Sehwag's attitude, only then guys have given it back to him. Till then no one even made any bad comments on him. He went away, that is it. No Indian player made any media comments about his behaviour. But Greg did it and it shows it all. He couldn't last with the Australian team either.
Re: Re: ..
by Jiju on Jul 06, 2012 01:19 PM
Correct Sharath. I too feel that Greg's intention was correct, but his approach in handling players was totally wrong....
