I am not a Sachin basher nor a Sachin fan. I like his style of batting. He is a batting maestro and technically good. People who lift him to the stature of god and blindly worship him based on his past records are the bane of Indian Cricket. I have solid reasons to substantiate that Sachin is not a knockout match performer. Take the example of 2011 world cup itself. When we needed him badly to get India to win the World cup, he performed in all the league matches but failed miserably in the semi-final and final and too in his home turf. In 1996 also when the world cup was played in India, he could no do anything needed for India against Srilanka in the Final. The same holds true in all abroad tournaments. Never once, India has won a world cup semi-final or final or knockout game against quality teams like Aus or SA due to Sachin being the elephant part of that effort. Just to give an example, remember Steve Waugh\'s master piece 120 against SA in England when Australia was down 3/48. Remember Miandad sixer off Chetan Sharma when just 1 ball was left. Similarly Ponting, Bevan have numerous times turned tide in favour of Australia standing notout and carrying Australia to victory. Sachin owes his records partly due to him opening the batting. If he had been coming at No.4 or 5 half of his records or statistics would not be there. I agree he is a great player but there are so many other players in International cricket who are more talented and having great techinques than hi
I am not a Sachin basher nor a Sachin fan. I like his style of batting. He is a batting maestro and technically good. People who lift him to the stature of god and blindly worship him based on his past records are the bane of Indian Cricket. I have solid reasons to substantiate that Sachin is not a knockout match performer. Take the example of 2011 world cup itself. When we needed him badly to get India to win the World cup, he performed in all the league matches but failed miserably in the semi-final and final and too in his home turf. In 1996 also when the world cup was played in India, he could no do anything needed for India against Srilanka in the Final. The same holds true in all abroad tournaments. Never once, India has won a world cup semi-final or final or knockout game against quality teams like Aus or SA due to Sachin being the elephant part of that effort. Just to give an example, remember Steve Waugh's master piece 120 against SA in England when Australia was down 3/48. Remember Miandad sixer off Chetan Sharma when just 1 ball was left. Similarly Ponting, Bevan have numerous times turned tide in favour of Australia standing notout and carrying Australia to victory. Sachin owes his records partly due to him opening the batting. If he had been coming at No.4 or 5 half of his records or statistics would not be there. I agree he is a great player but there are so many other players in International cricket who are more talented and having great techinques than him
What do you guys really mean when you say "match winner"? Score the first and also the last run?? Then you must be crazy. Remember Gibbs scored a "match winning" century when SA chased 430 runs against Aus? Now is that a match winning performance? I hope you agree. But has he scored the winning run? A BIG NO. The rest of the team took it from where he left. Unfortunately for India, poor Tendulkar should score that last run as well. Otherwise all you morons will say he's not a match winner. Yes, I agree he couldnt do a whole lot in some of the finals... but he was the one who took the team to the finals in the first place. What are the other 10 idiots in the team doing? You should ask them.
Just too much about Sachin. Sri Lanka fought back to get some respect in SA. But we are just on one individual. This is just to distract from our task at hand.
Its time to think about Match winners not record holders. Sachin is a batting great but has never been a Match-winner. We have seen in the past that he has never delivered in a crucial knockout match when we expected him to swing fortunes in favour of India. Many people had commented that he scored many centuries opening the batting which led to India's winning in many matches but they cant be bracketed as absolute match-winning efforts. A Match-winning effort is something where a player takes initiative, puts in 80% of his efforts, coming in a crucial stage of the game where the team is about to lose and swings fortunes in the favour of the team who is struggling. In that manner, Sachin is never a match-winner. If the whole Indian batting had collapsed in the past when Saching got out, why didnt Sachin come out and bat at No.4 or No.5 and rescue India. Ponting, Miandad, Steve Waugh, Michael Bevan have done such things numerous times but I cant recollect a single instance like that for Sachin. We had numerous situations in England and Australia where Sachin could have played match winning knocks and not once he delivered in that. So time to think beyond Sachin. Look at Australia - they dont have players who can boast of big statistics but each one of them play competitively
Re: India need Match Winners not Record Holders
by Ajay on Jan 23, 2012 08:26 PM
can u share the match summary of those who have saved match for their countries many times??
Re: Re: India need Match Winners not Record Holders
by Amit sonawane on Jan 23, 2012 10:34 PM
If you don't have stats with you do not comment on Sachin he has given many mach winning performance.
Re: India need Match Winners not Record Holders
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jan 26, 2012 04:34 PM
2011 Wcup S/F- sachin hihest scorere with 85. 2006 Wcup S/F- sachin highest scorer with 65. 2003 Wcup S/F- sachin scored century. Last Aus triangular series which india won in aus for 1st time- sachin played match winning inning in S/F as well as both of finals
Re: Re: India need Match Winners not Record Holders
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jan 26, 2012 04:36 PM
Sharjah famous win- also he performed in S/F as well as final with century. In hero cup final which india won . sachin din't aloow to score 4 runs in final over with his bolwing
Re: Re: Re: India need Match Winners not Record Holders
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jan 26, 2012 04:38 PM
India won last Nzl series 1-0 in NZL. only test india won was by chasing 300 plus runs abroad & sachin scored century. Mumbai test against England India has to chase 387 in 4th inning & sachin scored century in 4th inning to win the series.
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by ASHISH KUMAR on Jan 26, 2012 04:38 PM
Singer cup triangular series in slk india win- sachin scored century in S/F as wel as final.
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by ASHISH KUMAR on Jan 26, 2012 04:39 PM
2007 test series India won 1-0. In winning test sachin was highest scorer. In last Aus series also when india won in perth- sachin was highest scorer after dravid
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by ASHISH KUMAR on Jan 26, 2012 04:41 PM
sachin has 68MOM in ODI a world record. It means he has won more no. of matches than anyone else in world of cricket.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: India need Match Winners not Record Holders
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jan 26, 2012 04:41 PM
Last series India could draw in SLK 1-1. Sachin along wiyh laxman played winning 4th inning special to draw the series. Last SA series India could draw 1-1 in SA as sachin scored 2 centuries & got good support from VVS.
If you examine history of Tendulkar's batting, he has never been a match winner. I like style of the batting maestro no doubt, but if I have a match in which I do or die, I will never have Tendulkar take care of the crucial situation. Sachin had been good in his technicalities of the game, have immense records to his credit but never been a performer in a knockout. Whenever we wanted him to turn back India's fortunes in a crucial match, he has failed to do so including the 2011 World cup final. We can cite umpteen number of reasons including doubtful umpiring decisions etc for the same, but that all doesnt help justify the reverse for Tendulkar.So if you expect Tendulkar to change things for India who is in dire straits, its a fools paradise
Re: There are no gods in Cricket Sachin was never a knock out win
by tushar Joshi on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM
So how are the match winner for India constantly? You are?
Re: Re: There are no gods in Cricket Sachin was never a knock out
by powerful Goldstar on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM
Unfortunately there are no match winners for India on quality fast bowling pitches
Re: Re: Re: There are no gods in Cricket Sachin was never a knock
by Jaynendra Dhayfule on Jan 23, 2012 03:18 PM
Its just tht people remember only his failures and nt his triumphs. He has played match wining innings too but guys jus dont want to remember it... wht he has done to indian cricket is unparalleled and simply awesome.........so lets nt judge him ......he was he is n will always be our GREAT Little MASTER.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 23, 2012 03:43 PM
Nobody debates he is a Little Master or Meastro. But when has he won a final or semi-final for India in a reputed tournament against quality teams like Australia or South Africa by atleast 80% of his aggressive scoring or initiative. He is defenitely not a match winner or knock out specialist.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There are no gods in Cricket Sachin was never
by Gotchi on Jan 23, 2012 05:25 PM
Sachin wins matches for India by just being there. He is the mental strength of India. They say they won world cup Sachin.
Indian batting has collapsed many many times once Sachin gets out.
99 centuries and thousands of runs are just the bonus. Sports is about mental strength and Sachin is the Mental strength of India.
But you and other Sachin bashers probably are too naive to understand these things
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 23, 2012 05:33 PM
Have ever Sachin saved India by coming in at No.4 or 5 and turning India's fortunes. Aus have seen people like Steve Waugh and Pak have seen people like Miandad. Sachin had always done good opening the batting. He should have proved himself by batting at No.4 or 5 and rescuing the team in critical situations. If the batting collapsed after he got out, why didnt he come for batting at No.5 or 6 and provide confidence to the team. He is a big performer and player but absolutely never can be bracketed as a match winner like Steve Waugh, Michael Bevan, Ricky Ponting or even Aravinda Desilva. I believe the Indian cricket board had been too leniant on him to not sack him irrespective of his long stint of non performing periods. If one looks back at history, its absolutely evident. No need to talk further
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There are no gods in Cricket Sachin was n
by solid singh on Jan 24, 2012 12:16 AM
u mean to say that india is down 3-0 because Sachin was absent coz according to you his just being there is enough to ensure the victory.gotchi , you are the ch3wt1@ of nth order,
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by Against Pseudos on Jan 24, 2012 08:16 AM
Powerful Goldstar:
Since your "match winner" definition is quite interesting, I'd like to know WHO in your opinion has ever played an inning where he's scored 80% of the runs, taken 80% of the wickets and taken 80% of the catches and also kept wickets all the time?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There are no gods in Cricket Sachin was n
by Kumar Gourkar on Jan 24, 2012 12:06 PM
You do not understand the point, my friend. Useless talking to you
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by aravind gopalakrishnan on Jan 24, 2012 09:33 PM
Absolutely right Goldstar.. Well,if he is so great, why is he even struggling to make a century from the last 7 test matches ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: There are no gods in Cricket Sachin was never
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jan 26, 2012 04:43 PM
2011 Wcup S/F- sachin hihest scorere with 85. 2006 Wcup S/F- sachin highest scorer with 65. 2003 Wcup S/F- sachin scored century. Last Aus triangular series which india won in aus for 1st time- sachin played match winning inning in S/F as well as both of finals
He is very down to earth and he is one of the example how hard working person he enters into team at above 30 age and succed many whether he praises comes from heart....
whether the praise from hussey is a planned one is a question mark. the aussies hardly praise anyone less alone their opponents, so it raises eyebrowswhen one hears hussey say it. on the other hand gambhir seems to be on the way out because his saying that india's win is more important than sachin's 100 will not be taken happily by the BCCI
..as far as team's fortune is concerned. He niether bats long enough these days to give india an edge, nor he attacks opposition bowlers to change the momentum in india's favour during the time he is at crease. Hitting the ball well is one thing, fighting the opposition and giving an edge to team is quite another. dravid and laxman are no better either.