please dont listen to what media has to say about dhoni going.They are not interested in success of countryIndia let alone cricket team India.All they need is some sensationalism. coming to cricket, I dont see any reason for Dhoni to Go. Before DHoni it was Indian team and After Dhoni its Team India. We had been united and were able to cross many hurdles including 2 worldcups and many successes. The current downslide has got nothing to do with Dhoni or his batting performance but BCCI. If any one is responsible it has to be the Board. Dhoni must be the captain for another 5 years until such time that kohli is matured enough to take over. SRT, RD and VVS would retire in 2-3 yrs and we need dhoni to lead the young bunch till kohli take the mantle.
If everyone wish to sack Dhoni as captain is granted then who will be the new captain?
Gambhir - Big no, he still have a lot to prove in overseas test. Also was in the verge of being dropped for next test if not for his 2nd inngs score. Shewag - May be yes.
Re: Then who is the next one?
by jwalant talati on Jan 10, 2012 07:52 AM
Dhoni should go. Make Virendra Sehwag the captain. Actually Dhoni should be out of the test team. Just for the leadership skill one can't be granted a space in the test team.
Re: Re: Then who is the next one?
by Murali Ramakrishnan on Jan 10, 2012 08:20 AM
I agree. Dhoni is an unfit for Test Match. We hv unfortunately no alternate player to take over. Why not we consider Dravid for interim, and groom an youngster like Rohit, Badri, Chateswar.
Exits from test match are for Gambiur, Raina, Yuvraj, Virat. All the above are Just one day frmat playerrs. Sehwag how long we wl live with., Such an unpredictable player for Test match.
Re: Then who is the next one?
by ameya on Jan 10, 2012 12:13 PM
Next 2 years India will play at home..everything will be forgotten once they are back..Better to change Coach..
It is strange that after having two humiliating defeats they have decided to be away from cricket. It is a new learning for those who fail in their exams while studying then instead of burning mid night oil for the future exams they should prefer to spend time in listening music,watching movies and even going to night clubs. They should not take future exams seriously and unnecessery tax their minds. This is a new medicine given to us by Dhoni and his company. Yes|one player must not indulge in these things i.e. Sachin. He must deveote all remaining time before the 3rd test in just keeping his mind in watching cricket dvds or books related to cricket. What an idea? Do not be surprised if they have another innining defeat in the forthcoming matches. Australians are studying hard to know their weakenesses. I donot know why they are wasting time. It is a well known weakenss. First take them away from Indian Piches-bowl them chest high. Do not take any spinner in your playing 11.
Re: new lesson
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 07:48 AM
Sarat, they are human beings and need rest. Dont u know "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy"....?
Re: Re: new lesson
by jwalant talati on Jan 10, 2012 07:55 AM
What work you are talking about. Coming two weeks early and playing only 4 out of 5 days in both test matches. So surely they got more rest than they deserved. one more thing. if you are failing you need to work harder and not relax more. Old saying is still valid.
If a player is not performing continueously he should b dropped just to let him no that nohing is for granted SAME goes for the captain also. How dhoni has contibuted overseas as skipper and as as player everybody knows
It is premature to giving up the Captaincy of MS Dhoni. Everytime we will win and others will always cannot be the philosophy of Cricket. Over the years, we have improved a lot. If Dhoni leaves the Captaincy, others will bring win cannot be guaranteed. We have registered a number of wins and let us also accept defeats in the natural way. We should analyse our mistakes and rectify the same to avoid recurrence in the coming tests and it is not correct to argue on the captaincy.
Re: Re: Re: Dhoni Captaincy
by jwalant talati on Jan 10, 2012 07:57 AM
Victory on the dust bowls are great. but don't claim that our team is no. 1 if they can't even win a single test on foreign pitches. Dhoni should go and make space for someone else. his batting is mediocare outside india.
Re: Dhoni should give up his 20-20 capitancy
by Face Dude on Jan 10, 2012 07:12 AM
Or give up test captaincy and focus only on 20-20 and ODI. They dont go together....
Re: Re: Dhoni should give up his 20-20 capitancy
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 07:17 AM
Better idea is to give up test captaincy and focus on T20 ODI. His techniques suit those games more than tests.
Re: Dhoni should give up his 20-20 capitancy
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 10, 2012 07:17 AM
you are probably correct. T20 captaincy can be given to raina or gambhir...
Re: Dhoni should give up his 20-20 capitancy
by sukanta roy on Jan 10, 2012 07:20 AM
Dhoni Should Give up captaincy. He should remember that he is doing a public service.BY consecutive failing for SIX TIMES ANY PERSON IN PUBLIC SERVICE WOULD HAVE BEEN AXED. WHY NOT DHONI. He has ammassed a large sum of money(dhon). He is more busy caring his dhon than cricket.His head has gone to his dhon.
Dhoni's performance and experience not to be counted for Test. There are Seniors like Rahul, Laxman and Sehwag available to be handled better than Dhoni. Winning a T-20 and ODI is not criterian for Test Captaincy.
Re: Yes Dhoni who took over from Rahul, needs to be re-direct.
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 10, 2012 07:24 AM
winning a T-20 and ODI may not be a criterian for Test Captaincy.
But dont forgot that we became no. 1 in Tests when Dhoni was captain (of course it was also because of our showing in the last few years under Ganguly, Dravid and Kumble) and we maintained that position under dhoni captincy for 2 years even though when he did not always have first choice players and even though our bowlers were new and inexperienced (with the exception of zaheer and bhajji. Kumble never played any test under dhoni captaincy)
So it is not as if dhoni's captaincy record in tests is bad. We did win test series in BD, WI, SL and NZ and drew in SA. Yes we failed in tests in england but everybody knows that neally all our players were tired mentally and physically because of too much cricket. and also a few got injured while the test was going on and so our team became more unbalanced...
Individual Players are "Enjoying" with there "GFS"/"Wives" in Australia. These players are Chosen few frm 1.2Billion people & should serve the nation ,not njoy "Life". All the players are "Earning Crores" to play for the nation & at the end of the day atleast "effort" has to be there. We all Like "DHONIS" Confidence but now he has become "Arrogant" & feels nobody can replace him. "Dhoni" should be Immediately "Dropped" from Test Squad. Give Captaincy to "Sachin" as he will only "Retire" id "Kallis" & "Pointing" retire & just Read "news" that "Kallis" is gng to play 2015.
He is the best captain India ever had. He has taken to the mountain top in all froms of the game -- test, ODI and T20. England loss should be discounted as Dhoni gave a befitting reply when England visited India. We still can level the series given the proress India made in the 2nd innings in Sydney. VVS and Gambir ar eback in form. With decent score from Sachin and Dravid, idia can score 400 plus. Also, do not forget that if Australia had batted first at Sydney, we would have won.
Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 06:48 AM
Aus were 35/3 and instead of going for the kill, he set a defensive field allowing Aussies to score 600 . In Melbourne, Aus were 27/4, same defensive field placement allowed Aus to score 240, South Africa were 98/5 in Capetown, same defensive field helped SA to score 341!
Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 06:50 AM
In West Indies, Dhoni did not allow Indian batsmen to score 147 of 50 overs for a win!
Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 06:53 AM
Dhoni won the toss and chose to bat first. So, he is to be blamed for the hopeless field set and wrong decisions.
Re: Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 10, 2012 07:43 AM
Jiju, the choice to bat first after winning the toss was not wrong. it was a good pitch and we should have scored well but we did not. it had nothing to do with the pitch conditions only our batting failure is to be blamed....
Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 10, 2012 07:42 AM
Jiju, that target in wi may LOOK easy but was NOT, as even dravid had said that it was very difficult to score fast and after so many wickets fell it was better that we gave up the chase. as they say discretion is the better part of the valour....and discretion does not necessarily mean getting defensive...it only means being wise...
Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 10, 2012 07:41 AM
Jiju, many teams have gone to score big even when there top wickets fell cheaply. so every captain must resign as soon as such a thing happens. waugh could have resigned when india after following on were down in dumps and even sachin (as usual) failed. but dravid and laxman fought back and with their superhuman effort we went on win that test and the series. as far as i remember waugh did not resign or was not sacked...same examples can be given of every captain like ponting, lloyd, imran, strauss, smith, sangakkara etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 10, 2012 07:47 AM
yes that looks certainl bad. but still there is no need to change captains...do you REALLY believe that if there was any other captain against ENG and AUS the scored card would have been different?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 07:54 AM
Atleast against Australia, YES......! There seems to be no interaction with the bowler on the field by Dhoni, or any senior players. How often have we seen killer teams setting defensive fields when opposition is reeling under such scores of 27/4, 35/3 or 98/5? Replacing Dhoni is NOT the ONLY solution. Apart from that, seniors need to go one by one. Laxman seems to be the 1stbakra, surely Dravid will be the next. Thanks to Sharad Pawar &Co, Sachin will finish his hyped mahashatak and plan whether to retire or not! We would rather lose with a young team than this insult!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 07:55 AM
6 consecutive test losses abroad. Any Indian team can win over West Indies on home soil (flat &/spin pitches).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by jwalant talati on Jan 10, 2012 08:02 AM
Are you given money by Dhoni to promote him on this board. Go get a break Jiju
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 08:07 AM
Jwalant, I have never supported/promoted Dhoni. Get ur facts right before barking. Read my messages fully, then speak.
Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by ameya on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 AM
Arey Neech dveshmoolak kidya, when we Won in Next test in Chennai in same 2001, Sachin Scored 126..thats why pressure put on Oz and Bhajji bowling made us Win test & series.
Re: Re: Re: Re: No need to replace Dhoni
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 12, 2012 08:48 AM
not 6 consecutive losses ABROAD either...WE went to WI we did not lose any test there and won the series....
Re: Re: Re: Blame
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 07:16 AM
:)Shikari is ajoker who is Rediff'sanswer to Anu Malik :) Poor soul is veryfrustrated in life. So, heresorts to such acts.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Blame
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 10, 2012 07:30 AM
Jiju, Shikari Shambu's problem in life is that he betted on sachin and dhoni when it seemed that they would win ipl. first he bet on sachin thinking MI will win. he lost horribly. and then he thought Dhoni's CSK would win. again he better heavily. this time csk lost. so he is angry with sachin and dhoni for burning a hole in his pocket to the tune of around 20000 rs. this poem is probably addressed to both of them.
I told him that neither sachin nor dhoni asked him to bet. and so the only person to blame is he himself for the choices he made in his lfe. he chose to bet and lost. nobody but himself is to blamed. but it seems he is yet to get over his monetary loss.
Re: Re: Blame
by Sunil Vaidya on Jan 10, 2012 07:29 AM
Jiju, Shikari Shambu's problem in life is that he better on sachin and dhoni when it seemed that they would win ipl. first he bet on sachin thinking MI will win. he lost horribly. and then he thought Dhoni's CSK would win. again he better heavily. this time csk lost. so he is angry with sachin and dhoni for burning a hole in his pocket to the tune of around 20000 rs. this poem is probably addressed to both of them.
I told him that neither sachin nor dhoni asked him to bet. and so the only person to blame is he himself for the choices he made in his lfe. he chose to bet and lost. nobody but himself is to blamed. but it seems he is yet to get over his monetary loss.
Re: Re: Re: Blame
by Jiju on Jan 10, 2012 07:42 AM
LOLZ, loser Shikku :) So each time he bets on a person and he loses, SS will start abusing the players, hehe
