In world cup bollinger,harris,marsh,hauritz,derothy,half world cup hussey did not played but ausies qualified in world cup quarter final.If these players injured in world cup then team india out before quarter final.Good luck for team india.You did not deserve world cup without these players.
Re: Re: 100 mirage?
by Krishnakumar Narayanan on Sep 09, 2011 09:49 AM
No one can blame if a person become engineers Ka dushman, who is familiar with very poor infrastrusture we have (in India).
Re: Re: 100 mirage?
by Krishnakumar Narayanan on Sep 09, 2011 09:47 AM
WisegAy, To be precise 99.94. So it is not even 0.04, but 0.06. Experts calculated that it is six-hundredths of a sharp single short of 100, or one step down the wicket to the slow bowlers.
Re: Eliminate 30 aged
by amar bhansali on Sep 08, 2011 01:39 PM
and lose any chance of winning a test match ever...just keep playing shorter versions with these players and prosper...what a joke...u dont watch cricket..you want tamashaa
Re: Re: Eliminate 30 aged
by raghavadesikan on Sep 08, 2011 03:12 PM
i think u will still play with Azhar/Laxman/kumble etc without giving chances for new faces in the international matches...
Re: Eliminate 30 aged
by Gopalram on Sep 08, 2011 01:43 PM
But I want UThappa,Pathan brothers must agree to play for India only when BCCI gives an assurance that they will be selected for atleast next 27 yrs.
Re: Eliminate 30 aged
by Gopalram on Sep 08, 2011 01:59 PM
just to guide such an young team a senior player like Tiger Bengal Ganguliji may be inculded
All the Indian stars are scared of English bowling attack that is why thet are running from the responsibilities by giving the lame excuses of injury.Look Sachin,Gambhir,Sehwag will play the champions league as they are getting huge amount.
As sachin has taken the entire bunch on to his shoulders and wining the world cup after sachin retires who will be the replacement of sachin ,dravid,Laxman
Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 08, 2011 01:02 PM
zakse 2011 wc was won because of captain cool dhoni and his fantastic youngistan team. sachin had played so many wcs before and with so many seniors. what happened? not ONE wc win. last odi wc no seniors except sachin and we won it. it was other 10 players because of whom we won the wc. sachin was just a passenger. even 1983 wc we won no sachin. t20 wc we won no sachin or for that matter dravid or laxman or any other seniors. dont go overboard with sachin and other seniors. no doubt they did well many times but the new generation players have done well many more times than them and playing less matches and less years than them.
just check the records of how many tests and odis we won and how many we lost when sachin, dravid, laxman, kumble ganguly were there and then check how many tests and odis we won and how many we lost when players like gambhir, dhoni, kohli, raina, ozha, praveen, mishra, ishant etc. played.
the win and loss ratio between the older and newer generation will surprise and stagger you and will hopefully (however slim that hope might be) change your views...
Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 08, 2011 04:06 PM
What do u mean by Dhoni? Best performance was of Yuvi-362 runs,15 wkts,3 catches.Sachin-482 runs. Sehwag-380 runs. Gauti-393 runs. kohli-282 runs. Zaheer-15 wkts,4 catches whereas Dhoni 241 runs and 7 catches which can be done by other. In final he came 4 th position when India was 134/3,a strong base by Gauti(97 runs in final).
In the past with present test squad of before India win due to only Dravid,Laxman,Sachin,Sehwag,Ganguly,Kumble,Zaheer,Vajji, and not for gambhir,dhoni,kohli,raina,ojha,praveen,mishra,ishant. How many test did they(Kohli,ojha,praveen,mishra) played ? Wait and see the result after retirement of dravid,laxman,sachin,Zaheer. Either U know nothing or u are a child who did not watch any match. We are really surprised by UR comments. Do U know the total runs of any individual in all WC which he played ? It is SRT. U mean all the performance of Yuvi,sachin,Sehwag,Gauti,Kihli,Zaheer are in vein and Dhoni bring WC with his 241 runs and 7 catches? Our team game achived this. Try to be broad minded and dont be biased. Accept real truth. It seems that U did not watch 2011 WC.
Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 09, 2011 03:15 PM
First I am not sachin minded or against dhoni. I am not a fan of any player. I believe in individual game like tennis,chess and not a team game where your result depended upon others,your good effort and play shaded by others drop catches or ugly fielding or poor partnership. Secondly if you are watching with understanding cricket since 1978 your age must be around 50.So a man of 50 who watched Gavaskar,Kapil,Vengsarkar,Viswanath,Bedi,Prassana,Chandra,Doshi,LLoyd,Richards,Lily,Thomson,Greenidge,Heynes,Dujon,Roberts,Ru rner or other lengedry players will never be a Dhoni fan. Moreover in 1978 I doubt of live broadcasting of matches in every city of India.How could you watch 1975 and 1979 WC I dont know. Thirdly after reading all your childish comment about dhoni it seems that you are around 25 yrs of age and your cricket depth is very poor. Yes one point,if anybody will be a blind supporter of any player and watch his guru less performing than others and there is criticism in public forum he will comment like this. As far as I am realising your cricket knowledge is very poor and you dont like to understand or accept these. In answer I have already show you your comment about winning WC by dhoni in single handed is totally wrong and I proved it by statistics above.
Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 09, 2011 03:15 PM
First I am not sachin minded or against dhoni. I am not a fan of any player. I believe in individual game like tennis,chess and not a team game where your result depended upon others,your good effort and play shaded by others drop catches or ugly fielding or poor partnership. Secondly if you are watching with understanding cricket since 1978 your age must be around 50.So a man of 50 who watched Gavaskar,Kapil,Vengsarkar,Viswanath,Bedi,Prassana,Chandra,Doshi,LLoyd,Richards,Lily,Thomson,Greenidge,Heynes,Dujon,Roberts,Ru rner or other lengedry players will never be a Dhoni fan. Moreover in 1978 I doubt of live broadcasting of matches in every city of India.How could you watch 1975 and 1979 WC I dont know. Thirdly after reading all your childish comment about dhoni it seems that you are around 25 yrs of age and your cricket depth is very poor. Yes one point,if anybody will be a blind supporter of any player and watch his guru less performing than others and there is criticism in public forum he will comment like this. As far as I am realising your cricket knowledge is very poor and you dont like to understand or accept these. In answer I have already show you your comment about winning WC by dhoni in single handed is totally wrong and I proved it by statistics above.
Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by P O on Sep 09, 2011 06:14 AM
Sunil uncle, good that u r giving credit to this youngistan team also for a change. But as mentioned during our fights, 1/5th of ur Dhoni's scores have come against the weak teams (as u call them). Please dont compare people like Gambhir and Yuvi to ur Dhoni. Dhoni can be a good leader, but a captain is as good as his team. If u dissect Dhoni's scores, u will see that he also bats well only on flat pitches in India (1469 runs is 20% of his runs in tests, 2447 runs in ODI is 49.2% of his ODI runs). It is a pity that when the team loses, there is always a blame on batsmen, bowlers, schedule, etc. When the team wins, it is credited to captain cool, master blaster, and what not!! Finally Dhoni's ego has got its due credit in this series. But at the cost of our horrible defeats. You need some luck to win matches apart from performances. Seems like that luck has also deserted him for a while.....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 09, 2011 04:31 PM
1.Sunil YOUR MEMORY IS TOO SHORT. I have already told U that iam not a sachin lover. 2.You previously comment shamelessly. elsewhere that dhoni single handed won T-20 Wc and 2011 WC. 3. All of your comment showing that you have no knoledge in CKT. 4. Stop this conversation with me. I dont want to talk to someone who realize by heart not by brain, who forget all the past records and contribution of senior cricketers for winning. 5. Hope one day you will understand.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 09, 2011 05:11 PM
Sunil you have lost ur memory. Go to mental hospital and die with ur stupidity and ignorance. It is better for india thatp peoples like you die soon. You are a liar also. You told about single handed dhoni and now denying . You are thinking dhoni is all in all and others like sachin,dravid,laxman,ganguly,kapil are good for nothing. You had already comment to throw him. Will not you? Also you proved that you have no brain or heart. I thought that you will understand but if brain will not be there in your head what one can do.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 10:14 AM
cradlebaby P O, i have had a good laugh over your above post. each and every statement of your above post is a gem and i am sure many people in this forum dont know whether to laugh or cry after reading your above post. you say i am giving credit to the youngistan team for a CHANGE???. P O, I was the FIRST person on this forum to appreciate the youngistan brigade when the other people here were ridiculing them. P O, i was the first one who saw how good they are and the first one who openly said so without any fear of the reaction of other people on this forum. of course i received a lot of abuse and ridicule from people like you. P O, i was the first person here who side that this is a very good side and we have a very good captain. you people have began to appreciate our new generation players and our captain cool dhoni only AFTER sachin said so after the wc win. he said that this is the best indian team he has played with and dhoni is the best captain he played under. P O, people like you say so now only AFTER sachin's endorsement. I have been saying the same thing even BEFORE sachin or any other person said it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 10:38 AM
also dont compare your sachin with dhoni, yuvi or gambhir. they are all much better batsmen than sachin who always makes run when pitch is flat or conditions are good or target is small or when the players before him have given a good start.
whenever pitch and weather conditions help bowling, when bowlers are good, when target is stiff and when early wickets have fallen sachin has invariably failed. he has made most of his run in easy conditions and in his comfort zone. when he has been put out of his comfort zone and in difficult conditions and when wickets also fail around him he gets nervous and edgy and sooon gets out playing a silly shot. whenever the conditions are bad he simply collapses as he has no temperament no nerve to play in such conditions and gives up without putting up much fight. rarely has he put any fight and helped india win or save match. and considering that he has been around for more than 20 years his record in such conditions is very very poor.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 10:44 AM
sachin under such conditions struggles and dies like a fish out of water but dhoni flourishes under such circustances. yuvi has said that dhoni takes to pressure as fish take to water meaning just the way fish are comfortable in water dhoni is comfortable in difficult situations. he has excelled in such situations and made his name under such conditions. he is not called a finisher for nothing. FYI he is not called finisher for remaining not 15-20 runs but because he has taken india to victory when not many wickets were left and target was stiff and many people thought that it was all over for india. dhoni has made his name by helping india win in such circumstances. P O, dhoni has been undertaking huge responsibility in the team. he has the maximum workload in the team as he has to look after so many things. not like other players who only have to look after their own departmens. dhoni has the responsibility of leading everybody and he has the maximum weight to lift and he has been doing it very admirably for the last 3-4 years. and before that he also did very well as a player and keeper. the more pressure you put on him and the more responsibility you put on him he has taken it all unflinching and uncomplaining and passed the test with flying colours.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by P O on Sep 09, 2011 10:48 AM
Uncle Vaidya, I have been seeing your posts since 2009. You are always saying "Dhoni did this", "Dhoni did that", etc. Whenever someone wrote about Sachin, you responded saying Youngistan, blah blah. Or else, you worship Dhoni like a god. Look at all the posts you wrote 2-3 days back, "Dhoni is like Krishna for Pandavas, whatever he says is Gita.... LOL". You have insulted your gods by this immature statement. And if you had a good laugh over my post, good for you. It is not often that you get a chance t laugh at yourself. And I never ever said Dhoni was a bad leader. I kept saying he is more lucky than other captains. And Sachin's endorsement means nothing to us (sorry if u thought so). It is his opinion. By the way, my main intention was to stop comparing ur Dhoni with Yuvi & Gambhir. He can never ever come up to their level in batting. There is no magic in a captain. It is the team which matters most.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 10:54 AM
P O, it us ur sachin who has made nearly all his runs against weak opponents and in easy conditions. nearly all his runs have come against BD and zim. most of ganguly's test wins have come against BD or Zim something like 8-9 out of 11 tests. and on all such occasion it is sachin who has played very very well. you will be staggered to see his performances in these tests. ganguly owes it to sachin against this opposition. but against tougher opposition like aus, eng, sl, nz, sa, pak etc. it has been always players sehwag, gambhir dravid and laxman who have won matches for ganguly. NOT sachin. as for dhoni he has not captained indian team against any test vs zim and only 2 against bd so we can safely say that all his wins have come against good countries and against pontings' australia it is 4 out of 4. BTW in one of these 4 tests he was also MOM for making 92 and not out 68 runs. P O, many people like you who have no understanding of cricket give dhoni zero credit when india wins and give him all the blame when india loses. you have no idea how good he has been and how he has held the team together despite many players not available. many times he has to do with second or third choices and sometimes even with injured players in the team. he has won tests with 2.5 or 3 fit bowlers against the normal 4 bowlers. you simply have NO idea how good he is as a captain, batsman and keeper. he has excellent record in all three fields.
Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by P O on Sep 09, 2011 06:34 AM
And u have no moral authority to say I am poking my nose here. Because this is a public forum. And if i am doing it to you, it also means that you are doing it to others :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by P O on Sep 09, 2011 01:00 PM
Vaidya, no one says that he is rude if he is silent. When he gives excuses like cramped schedule irrespective of whether it is Dhoni or even Shakibul Hassan, it will draw flak because it is not a real cause. The actual cause of defeat was lack of practice in England and lack of quality bowlers in the absence of Zak. They were stressed after the WC we understand, but each of the 11 played in IPL without stress! And in WI, not everyone in the 11 played. Dravid played in IPL and WI also. Why did he not feel the stress? Also, when Dhoni can comment on Dravid's batting style, why not he comment on hiw own batting style?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by P O on Sep 09, 2011 07:35 PM
Sunil, this is my reply to ur post at 5:23 pm. Now that u feel that my nose is ugly and filthy that it is poking around, u r fit to go and smell the d1ck of ur dhoni. u r fit for that only. anyway, u r single :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 05:23 PM
P O You have a ugly and filthy nose to poking all around. It ia a public forum but you are a stupit,idiot anf fool public to say so.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 10:29 AM
P O, when did i say such a thing? i NEVER say this to anybody. of course this a public forum and why should i stop others from replying to my posts? in fact i welcome replies to my post. the more the better...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by P O on Sep 09, 2011 10:57 AM
Sunil, of course you told me that i am unnecessarily writing on others' views without being asked.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 11:14 AM
P O, if i said that it must have been because of YOUR similar statement. you must have admonished some other person for poking his nose in your or somebody else' message. and i reacted to that. nothing else...otherwise i would not say such thing. i say such things only to people who themselves have said such things and that is my retort to such persons..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by P O on Sep 09, 2011 11:32 AM
Sunil, I am not egoistic and I am ready to accept if there is a mistake from my end. But i have never uttered a word like that to others as I know everyone is posting their opinions. Infact, it was you who told me that people like me are yet to come out cradles and all I know is to poke my nose at someone's message without she asking me to intervene......
Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 08, 2011 04:07 PM
What do u mean by Dhoni? Best performance was of Yuvi-362 runs,15 wkts,3 catches.Sachin-482 runs. Sehwag-380 runs. Gauti-393 runs. kohli-282 runs. Zaheer-15 wkts,4 catches whereas Dhoni 241 runs and 7 catches which can be done by other. In final he came 4 th position when India was 134/3,a strong base by Gauti(97 runs in final).
In the past with present test squad of before India win due to only Dravid,Laxman,Sachin,Sehwag,Ganguly,Kumble,Zaheer,Vajji, and not for gambhir,dhoni,kohli,raina,ojha,praveen,mishra,ishant. How many test did they(Kohli,ojha,praveen,mishra) played ? Wait and see the result after retirement of dravid,laxman,sachin,Zaheer. Either U know nothing or u are a child who did not watch any match. We are really surprised by UR comments. Do U know the total runs of any individual in all WC which he played ? It is SRT. U mean all the performance of Yuvi,sachin,Sehwag,Gauti,Kihli,Zaheer are in vein and Dhoni bring WC with his 241 runs and 7 catches? Our team game achived this. Try to be broad minded and dont be biased. Accept real truth. It seems that U did not watch 2011 WC.
Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 08, 2011 04:07 PM
What do u mean by Dhoni? Best performance was of Yuvi-362 runs,15 wkts,3 catches.Sachin-482 runs. Sehwag-380 runs. Gauti-393 runs. kohli-282 runs. Zaheer-15 wkts,4 catches whereas Dhoni 241 runs and 7 catches which can be done by other. In final he came 4 th position when India was 134/3,a strong base by Gauti(97 runs in final).
In the past with present test squad of before India win due to only Dravid,Laxman,Sachin,Sehwag,Ganguly,Kumble,Zaheer,Vajji, and not for gambhir,dhoni,kohli,raina,ojha,praveen,mishra,ishant. How many test did they(Kohli,ojha,praveen,mishra) played ? Wait and see the result after retirement of dravid,laxman,sachin,Zaheer. Either U know nothing or u are a child who did not watch any match. We are really surprised by UR comments. Do U know the total runs of any individual in all WC which he played ? It is SRT. U mean all the performance of Yuvi,sachin,Sehwag,Gauti,Kihli,Zaheer are in vein and Dhoni bring WC with his 241 runs and 7 catches? Our team game achived this. Try to be broad minded and dont be biased. Accept real truth. It seems that U did not watch 2011 WC.
Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 08, 2011 04:08 PM
What do u mean by Dhoni? Best performance was of Yuvi-362 runs,15 wkts,3 catches.Sachin-482 runs. Sehwag-380 runs. Gauti-393 runs. kohli-282 runs. Zaheer-15 wkts,4 catches whereas Dhoni 241 runs and 7 catches which can be done by other. In final he came 4 th position when India was 134/3,a strong base by Gauti(97 runs in final).
In the past with present test squad of before India win due to only Dravid,Laxman,Sachin,Sehwag,Ganguly,Kumble,Zaheer,Vajji, and not for gambhir,dhoni,kohli,raina,ojha,praveen,mishra,ishant. How many test did they(Kohli,ojha,praveen,mishra) played ? Wait and see the result after retirement of dravid,laxman,sachin,Zaheer. Either U know nothing or u are a child who did not watch any match. We are really surprised by UR comments. Do U know the total runs of any individual in all WC which he played ? It is SRT. U mean all the performance of Yuvi,sachin,Sehwag,Gauti,Kihli,Zaheer are in vein and Dhoni bring WC with his 241 runs and 7 catches? Our team game achived this. Try to be broad minded and dont be biased. Accept real truth. It seems that U did not watch 2011 WC.
Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 08, 2011 09:18 PM
pakhal, i am not so sure if sachin can be called as instrumental in taking india to the finals (that he failed in the finals i am sure you will agree) yes he made 482 runs but out of that he majority of his score was against england and south africa. he hit centuries against both these countries. however, unfortunately for india we did NOT win either of these 2 matches. and i am sure you will agree that one progresses to the final of any tournament by WINNING games and NOT by NOT winning them...and as a majority of his runs this wc came against sa and eng which we did NOT win i am not sure that we can say that we reached the finals BECAUSE of sachin and his two centuries.
by the way as regards performance of seniors and juniors in winning the tests and odis i am giving below the records of the players of older and new generation and let us see what the people think of the stats. i am sure u dont know the following figures regarding win and losses we had when the follwing players played for india.
gambhir- played 39 tests won 19 lost 7 played 114 odis won 73 lost 32
Dhoni- played 59 tests won 24 lost 11 played 186 odis won 105 lost 70 vijay- played 12 tests won 8 lost 1 played 11 odis won 7 lost 4
raina- played 13 tests won 5 lost3 played 120 odis won 75 lost 41
ishant sharma- played 36 tests won 16 lost 8 played 47 odis won 27 lost 16
praveen kumar- played 5 tests won 1 lost 2 played 52 odis won 35 lost 15
Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 08, 2011 09:25 PM
kohli- played 3 tests won 1 lost 0 played 59 odis won 36 lost 20
amit mishra- played 11 tests won 7 lost 1 played 15 odis won 9 lost 4
pragyan ozha- played 11 odis won 7 lost 1 played 16 ods won 8 lost 8
Sreesanth- played 25 tests won 10 lost 6 played 53 odis won 28 lost 21
yuvraj- played 35 tests won 15 lost 8 played 274 odis won 158 lost 103
pakhal i suggest that you do some research of your own and find out the win and loss ratio of older generation players like sachin, dravid, laxman, ganguly, kumble. if you do not do it on your own i will provide the figures and you can compare them with the figures of the new generation of players and decide whether we have won more and lost less with the older players or with the new generation players...
pakhal i hope you will do as i suggest and collect the win loss stats of players of older generation and compare them with those of new generation...if you do not it i will provide the stats of sachin, dravid, laxman, ganguly, kumble and u will see that we have not won as much with them as we have with new players also we have lost more times when these senior players were in the team than when new generation players were in the team...
pakhal i am hoping for some action from ur side so i am not giving the stats of older players...but if after waiting for 1-2 days YOU dont give the relevant stats then I will give the stats myself...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 09, 2011 04:03 PM
Sunil, if a batsman scores 100 and team lost it was not his fault( again I am saying I am not sachins fan , rather I hate him and want to throw him out of the team, I beleave Gavaskar is much better test batsman than sachin)it was his co-players or captains fault. Sunil, This win /loss ratio presented by you is totally absurd. Research to what was thier performance in those tests/ODI he played and India won. Do you think or prove by statistics that in how many tests junior players lead the team to win matches by their performance? Show me one occasion that these players single handedly win matches. Years will go on, match will be played and records will be build. But think once in cool brain if dhoni played 59 test and win 24 whereas in those 24 winning test some other player(Mr.X) played but could not perform well and he never played after that, then his success percentage will be 100 % , does it prove that he is better than dhoni ? Its the senior players who guided India to win test matches as below. They perform well and became man of the match.Below is last 20 test matches won by india.
2011 against WI - MOM-Dravid 2010/11 against SA- MOM-Laxman 2010/11 against NZL -MOM-Dravid DO- against AUS-MOM-SRT DO against AUS-MOM-Zaheer 2010 – against SRL-MOM-Laxman 2009-10 against SA MOM-AMLA( Sehwag-165,srt-106,lax-143,dhoni-132) Do against- Bang MOM-Zaheer (dravid-111,SRT-143) Do against Bang MOM-SRT DO against SRL
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 09, 2011 04:03 PM
Sunil, if a batsman scores 100 and team lost it was not his fault( again I am saying I am not sachins fan , rather I hate him and want to throw him out of the team, I beleave Gavaskar is much better test batsman than sachin)it was his co-players or captains fault. Sunil, This win /loss ratio presented by you is totally absurd. Research to what was thier performance in those tests/ODI he played and India won. Do you think or prove by statistics that in how many tests junior players lead the team to win matches by their performance? Show me one occasion that these players single handedly win matches. Years will go on, match will be played and records will be build. But think once in cool brain if dhoni played 59 test and win 24 whereas in those 24 winning test some other player(Mr.X) played but could not perform well and he never played after that, then his success percentage will be 100 % , does it prove that he is better than dhoni ? Its the senior players who guided India to win test matches as below. They perform well and became man of the match.Below is last 20 test matches won by india.
2011 against WI - MOM-Dravid 2010/11 against SA- MOM-Laxman 2010/11 against NZL -MOM-Dravid DO- against AUS-MOM-SRT DO against AUS-MOM-Zaheer 2010 – against SRL-MOM-Laxman 2009-10 against SA MOM-AMLA( Sehwag-165,srt-106,lax-143,dhoni-132) Do against- Bang MOM-Zaheer (dravid-111,SRT-143) Do against Bang MOM-SRT DO against SRL
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Pakhal Vato on Sep 09, 2011 04:09 PM
DO against SRL-MOM-Sehwag DO against SRL MOM Sreesanth (Gambhir-163,She-131,Dravid-144) 2008-9 against NZL MOM-SRT DO against Eng MOM-Sehwag DO against AUS MOM-KREZA(She-158,SRT-109) Do against AUS- MOM-Dhoni ( gauti-171,Dhoni-160,she-125,ganguly-129,srt-88) 2008- against SRL-MOM-Sehwag 2007-8 against SA MOM-Ganguly Do against AUS MOM-Irfan(dravid-96,SRT-84,Lax-96,She-62) Do against Pak Mom-Kumble Do against Eng MOM Zaheer
Above MOM statistics shows India winning Tests due to seniors only. Wait for retirement of SRT.Laxman,Drvid,Zaheer,Vajji and see the result Of our test matches with young players. I will be glad enough if still india will win. But it will take time to develop players like SRT,Dravid,Laxman Sehwag,Ganguly,Kumble,Zaheer who are the foundation of our test win. Test match is the real cricket and winning ODI is a easy task , with the help Of only one good innings or bowling spell ODI can be won, but in test two or three good batting performance or 2-3 good boling performance needed. Hope Now U understand this.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 04:26 PM
pakhal it is NOW that you seem to have woken up to the performances of players like dravid, laxman, amla, zaheer and everybody else. i have been appreciating ALL of the above and also other players since last 3-4 years since i began writing on rediff.
but it is only NOW that you have suddenly SEEM to understand and appreciate others performances. but you started with sachin mania and how he is responsible for our latest wc win and of course all previous wins...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: After Sachin who will be
by haumaukhau on Sep 09, 2011 08:26 PM
Sunil Dadu, tere paas itni time kahan se aati hai. Tera kuchh kaam,naukri,buisness nehi hai kya. Dhoni ko bol, ek kaam ke liye,ya uski chat le.Teri biwi bhag gayi hai kya. Tu ek ajib janwar hai.Dinbhar ultapulta likh raha hai.
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by Trond Tysse on Sep 09, 2011 09:35 AM
Sunil, are you always so stupid in replying or is this a special occasion? 90% of Dhoni's success should be credited to his team members. As you claim above, there is nothing to be proud of the fact that you have been watching watching cricket from 1978. It is a shame that you being so experienced (as you claim), are writing such hate stuff.Dhoni himself said that players make it easy to shoulder the responsibility. He also said that he was fortunate to get a good team in all the formats of the game. It is mainly because of Yuvraj Singh & Zaheer Khan that we won the WC. Good performances were chipped in by Sachin, Munaf and others. If you tend to say that we won because of Dhoni, you will be insulting rest of the team members. Youngsters can play well, no doubt. But to be consistent, they have to play for atleast 5-6 years.
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by Pakhal Vato on Sep 09, 2011 04:36 PM
Sunil YOU DID NOT READ MY FULL STATEMENT. I Credited YUVI. I am not a fan of SACHIN ONCE again. I dont think he is the best Test cricketer . I know Gavaskar is the best test cricketer.
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by P O on Sep 09, 2011 10:00 AM
Sorry, i forgot Gambhir's 97 which laid the foundation for the finals.
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by P O on Sep 09, 2011 10:04 AM
I dont know why my message is going in the bottom column. So, i deleted it and posted again. I forgot to mention Gambhir's 97 which laid the foundation for the finals. If not for that, it would be a down-slide defeat for India.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 10:27 AM
exactly my point P O, it is other players who usually lay the foundations. and of course since foundation is built first the players who come first will get a chance to build the foundation. players coming below cannot lay foundation of course they take the side to the summit. as they say adhi paya mag kalas, yes gambhir laid the foundation (paya) and dhoni took us to the summit (kalas) of course let me tell you that when dhoni has got the chance to play up in the order he has laid the foundation many times and sometimes he was still there at the end (foundation plus summit, paya plus kalas) whenever dhoni has got a chance to play at positions 2-4 he has done very very well as his figures suggest and at those times it was DHONI who laid the foundation. and in those matches it was others who got to do the finishing business...
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by P O on Sep 09, 2011 10:56 AM
Nonsense as usual. Dhoni plays well only against the weakest teams (as you call them). It is an open fact the u hate Sachin. Dont give colors to ur words and try to justify yourself. And i never compared Sachin with anyone else. YOU ARE DOING THAT. Just because you dont like Sachin, you are blabbering, it is very evident on your blog that you criticize each move of Sachin, you think only you are knowledgeable. Even GOD cannot change you.
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by P O on Sep 10, 2011 07:48 AM
Sunil, i am also speaking as logically (or illogically) as you speak. It is also my tit for tat. As long as you speak BS, i can also speak BS. Laugh how much ever you want at our replies. Because, we all will also be laughing at your replies similarly. When u call us fools, think abt yourself first to understand what a big fool u are :) And u support youngistan so much on the field. How about leaving this forum for youngsters?
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by P O on Sep 10, 2011 01:15 PM
Sunil, i have never supported the inclusion of oldies in the team. I never believe that even Sachin should be retained in the team. As Kapil Dev says, he is the best person to decide when to call it a day. I am always for youngsters. I am a youngster myself. I understand your ego in saying this, it is tough for an oldie to accept that he is aged.
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by P O on Sep 09, 2011 01:48 PM
Sunil, of course i do that. I never asked you to stop writing here. U speak as if sachin fantards are there everywhere. But i am telling u with my experience, NDTV & Indiatimes are filled with Dhoni fantards who write all nonsense on other 10 players. My question to you is, do u think fantards will stop writing BS if u also write BS? And i am practicing what i preach.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 03:58 PM
dodda ganesh played 4 tests all under sachin played 1 odi under sachin
L R Shukla played 3 odis 1 under azhar 1 under ganguly and 1 under ajay jadeja
as you can see it is not as if they played only under sachin. others also had to play with them.
and if you want i can give list of similar players who played under ganguly, azhar, dravid, kumble, dhoni etc. and BTW if sachin was not happy with the players he could have asked for HIS favoured players. he was a big name at that time was he not? and btw how do you that he was unhappy with all the above named players. how do you know that he himself did not prefer/choose some or all of these players? and now tell me WHO is making EXCUSES for sachin?
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by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 11:11 AM
By the way P O, dhoni has come early in the innings some times when even sachin got out early. FYI when we made 300 runs against sl and won that odi it was dhoni who came at the fall of first wicket (and by the way he was NOT the captain at that time). he made his highest odi score so far in that match. he remained not out on 183. he laid the foundation and he took india to the summit. he was there almost from the beginning and was there till the end. btw P O, FYI the first wicket to fall was that of sachin who as usual in the chase of a huge target left early and we STILL won that match...
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by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 09, 2011 03:18 PM
very well said, P O, BTW i was talking about performances while chasing stiff targets...the point is with pressure and under the expectations of chasing such a huge total sachin as usual faltered and failed. some other captain had faith in dhoni and promoted him even after sachin got out and dhoni who was a newcomer at that time and did not such a vast experience like that of 20 years still with his winning attitude took the challenge of the chase head on showered the ground with his boundaries and sixes...
any way as you say you cannot count the performance of anybody on flattest tracks of india. so i assume u will no longer boast about sachin record in 2011 wc his centuries against sa and eng against flattest of tracks and also of his 200 not out against sa. by the way dhoni also played under the conditions sachin played and he also scored as fast as sachin and facing the same bowlers. he also faced steyn and in one over steyn hit him for 17 runs. but of course you agree that there was nothing great about that innings and also nothing great about sachin's 200...no problem with that of course but ONLY if you weigh all the other players and sachin on the SAME scale...
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by P O on Sep 10, 2011 07:52 AM
Sunil, let me give a tit-for-tat reply like how you give others. It was Ravindra Jadeaja who was responsible for that innings. And also as you said so nobly and full of knowledge (as u claim), what is the use of runs when it is in a losing cause? If he has such guts, let him come up the order and bat. To bat in the top order, u need to have guts. I hope you understand what tit-for-tat means.
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by Pakhal Vato on Sep 10, 2011 09:35 AM
Dear P O,this man Sunil Vaidya is ridiculous.He will write abuse and will again comment that he did not,it was his fake.I am thinking he is the only one and when everybody criticize him he will write abuse,hurting people and again will comment that he did not. It is a smart trick,is not? It is better not to answer them.He previously wrote against kapil,sachin,dravid and scold and abuse you and then comment that it was his fake. we saw yesterday one id but it was sunil vaidya007@rediff... but it was different.I think there is only one and he is in disguise making different comments.
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by P O on Sep 10, 2011 09:54 AM
Pakhal sir, u r right. He changes his dialogues quite often :) Very smart trick. And he says he will not lose sleep if we accuse him. LOL, who asked him to lose sleep? He needs rest. From 2009, he is going on blabbering nonsense in the forums. He inspired me to make an account in rediff and write comments. And he thinks that only he is right, rest all are wrong. He irritates people, and when they shout on him, he says he is doing tit for tat. We atleast have the guts to say we hate Dhoni, but this oldie doesnt have the guts also to accept in public that he hates sachin. He wants youngsters to be in the team (of course, most of us want that). But he is not ready to go out of this forum to provide chances for youngsters. I am not surprised at this noble act (as he pretends).
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by Pakhal Vato on Sep 10, 2011 12:43 PM
Dear P O, Look he is again irritating us. Now he will told about fake. Better not to speak with this type of person who are playing double game.
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by P O on Sep 10, 2011 12:29 PM
Sunil, I am not a hypocrite and a liar like you. First learn to read properly. I made an account because of your foolish and coward remarks. P O is my short form and i am also using a real name, real city, and what all u said. when u have claimed that u started to write against LG, sentil, etc i have every right to create an account in MY NAME and write against you (if u have the right, so do i). i hate Dhoni because of the following: He does double standards. On one hand, he says youngistan, etc. But he has his own people in the team like RP Singh, etc. His batting is a fluke and his keeping is a disaster to our team. The only thing he is good, is captaincy. Parthiv & Dinesh are better keepers than him. Let him give them a chance and let him field. He never does that until there is no other go. If he is that capable, let him be a batsman in the team. Then, his real colors will come out. He is just lucky and hence, is able to lead good teams to victory with the support of youngsters and coach. You have no rights to call me liar or hypocrite.
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by Pakhal Vato on Sep 10, 2011 12:54 PM
Dear P O, Absolutely perfect reply.This is the strategy of this sunil, to irritate us, to impose his thought in our mind. Firstly he will write some thing , then he will tell that he did not. I am watching this long before.He tried to misguide us many times. Thats why I have stopped talking with him. I would like to talk with a person who will accept what he wrote before, not with him who will deny and say that some other are writing for him.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 10, 2011 12:29 PM
yes of course winning is important. but if you play well only in comfortable situations and fail in difficult situations that is not good. yes sachin has also played good innings when we have won but most of those times there was no real fight or struggle. he has performed well when we won or saved the match but mostly when the conditions pitch weather was easy in real difficult situations like stiff targets, conditions favouring bowlers quick wickets falling around me his performance stats are very low. it is in such conditions that people like dravid, laxman, dhoni, yuvi, gambhir sehwag have played very well. to me scoring 100 when the target is 300 runs is MORE important and praiseworthy than scoring 100 when the target is 200. sachin has plenty of good scores when target was 200 but very very few good innings when target was 300. that's my only complaint against him and the reason why i cannot call him great.
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by P O on Sep 10, 2011 12:50 PM
Whether u call him great or not, it is an open secret that you are a sachin hater :) And no one cares if u dont call him great, or if i dont call Dhoni what all u call him. Your foolish remark that sachin was responsible for the defeat vs australia again proves that u r a sachin hater :) i also watched that match. I am surprised that 1 person (Sachin) scored 175 runs, but 10 others could not score the remaining 175 runs. i have seen the match live and saw Jadeja trying to run for non-existent runs, and hence was run out. You need not lie so much to justify your hatredness. And if we want to use the loser logic like u, Raina was to be blamed since the target was so near, but he was out. It is a surprise that u consider sachin as a cause of defeat in this match when 10 persons managed 155 runs and 1 person without good support (apart from Raina) scored 175. When u say u dont like sachin's attitude, the same applies to me when i dont like dhoni's attitude. This is called hatred :) U say indirectly that u hate sachin by saying attitude, spirit, etc. I say all these in 1 word (hate). This is the difference between youngsters and oldies like u. Your double standards, one for sachin and one for the rest of the team made me join Rediff with MY NAME, MY CITY, etc. And by calling me liar and hypocrite for nothing, you showed ur bias again. According to you, anyone who does not like Dhoni is a Sachin fantard.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 10, 2011 12:27 PM
if sachin played many good innings in difficult situations i would not write against him. but he has rarely played well in such situations. players who have not played half the matches he played or half the amount of years (20) years he has played have MORE such innings. take laxman and dravid for instance they play such innings day in and day out. these two players play such innings in ONE YEAR that sachin has not been able to play in his 20 yrs. put together....that's my reason for not calling him the best player either in world or in india. to win or save a match is important no doubt but we should also be able to fight in such situations. take lara for instance. he has suffered many defeats in the matches he played but he has shown more heart, more courage more fighting attitude than sachin.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Sep 10, 2011 01:13 PM
P O, now that you have yourself admitted that you are a LIAR and HYPOCRITE and why you created and write under this id i suppose there is no further reason left for me to argue with you. you yourself have now admitted that you are biased and are one of the sachin fantards yourself and a self-confessed dhoni hater (which previously you lied and like a hypocrite claimed that you dont do that) and i have now lost all interest in arguing/fighting with you and henceforth either i will no longer reply to your posts or the propensity of answering those posts will be very less.
before parting i want to tell you one more thing. during partition time a train left from pakistan to go to india carrying people who wanted to stay in india after partition. when the train arrived in india the people inside were found to be dead, killed. soon after another train left india for pakistan and carried people who wanted to live in pakistan after partition. do you know what the people in pakistan found when the train arrived. that the people inside were dead, killed.
P O, i hope you get what i want to say. thats why one should always take care that one does not to do injustice/wrong to anybody otherwise the retribution/consequences will come, sometimes sooner sometimes later...
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by P O on Sep 10, 2011 01:21 PM
Keep your stories to yourself Sunil. Ur ego is calling me hypocrite and a liar. But u r the biggest liar here using fake ids. U r the reason i created an id here. I dint have an id earlier, i dont have another id apart from this. First understand the injustice u r doing. Then judge others Sunil. If u lost interst in arguing, it is not my fault. U r not an encyclopedia or a knowledgeable person at all that i should look for your answers to my, or anyone's post. If u stop writing, its ur wish. If u continue, it is ur wish. I dont expect anything logical from a person like you.
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by Trond Tysse on Sep 10, 2011 11:14 PM
PO my friend, finally both of you stopped fighting almost 36 hours after calling each other cowards, liars, hypocrites, and what nots! Great going for a timepass, but I did not understand why you people reply to Sunil Vaidya. Any similarity between him and a normal human being is purely co-incidental!! I am still waiting for his reply to my question yesterday. Unwanted criticism can get you quick publicity and he is doing exactly the same. And u foolish guys are falling prey to his tactics. He is looking for someone to fight with. Or else, why the hell would he write about Dhoni, etc on hockey, tennis and badminton articles? Dont waste your time here. You have not crossed your 12th std. It is evident by the way you speak to elders. So, spend time and study man.
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by P O on Sep 11, 2011 07:27 AM
Trond, forget it. No use speaking with such hypocrites and liars like Sunil Vaidya. Of course i know that he does all this for publicity. When he does not have valid replies to our comments, he uses fake ids and replies nonsense. After a while, he uses his own id and says he is the one who posted earlier. Then, after sometime he calls me a fantard, liar, hypocrite, injustice, etc. I have been seeing him from 2009. But this idea of a fake id he has started from a month or so. He has been seeing success ever since because people r confused to reply thinking if it the same Sunil Vaidya or a fake :) Though i dont like Dhoni's attitude, i have never denied that he was a good captain. I also congratulated him in the forum when he got a doctorate. But when i pointed out Dhoni's mistakes, Sunil Vaidya got p155ed off and abused me with all this. Now, u tell me who is a fantard? FYI, i have crossed my 12th std 2 years back. U may be an expert in other fields, i have seen on other forums abt ur knowledge (pls take it as a credit) but there is no expert in cricket, it is either the people who play, or the arm chair experts like Sunil, you and me who comment on every action of players. I dont expect a reply from you. But if u reply, i have answers for each of ur question.
