in the world of sports....It is a lie, a hype manufactured by the media and advertisers to sell their products through an "icon (sic)" who the middle class india and people from smaller towns can connect and identify with...In reality dhoni's captaincy has been as useless as his keeping, fielding and batting including those memorable knocks of 15 in 30 and 7 in 22 deliveries in the recent champion's league T20
They will be subjected to heavy firing due to Indian conditions.Please dont select Vinay and Srinath...They are useless..Particulalry Srinath had a record of giving the highest sixes in CLT.He had given six in every over in all the matches he had played.Even a poor player like Vijay hit 2 sixes in his over .
Earlier, while chasing, teams would be happy to keep the batting powerplay for the last five overs. But now we have to make few changes in tactics. It will be giving different results till we get used to it. I guess whether he has prepared for match or not he has his excuses prepared
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Dhoni is not only the worst keeper, he is also the worst captain....the good results were because of pure luck and other player's performance and NOT BECAUSE OF DHONI'S CAPTAINCY SKILLS OR DECISIONS...it is nothing but a Dhoni- B U B B L E, a hype created by the media...He has made so many poor decisions...in team selection, field placing etc...how defensive he was in west indies...but M E D I A does not talk about that because the corporate and advertisers have big money riding on dhoni...they have invested huge money to make him a hero...but after the string of poor performances in captaincy, batting and keeping, it is crystal clear...but he was always useless to the team cause...i am not surprisd...he never had any real talent
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by Venugopalan on Oct 14, 2011 01:30 PM
rajkamal dubey..(for arguments sake) if WE ACCEPT your points, tell us also who will replace Dhoni in the present squad..? or do you believe the team should play without captian..?
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by rajkamal dubey on Oct 14, 2011 03:05 PM
anyone can replace dhoni as the captain...dhoni's so called captaincy skills is a lie and hype foisted on the people by the media...anyone including Munaf patel (sic)can lead the team like Dhoni...india has won in the recent past not because of any special captaincy but because of performance of some of the players which jiju mentioned but never Dhoni...look at the extremely poor decisions which dhoni made in the last few months, his completely defensive mindset in west indies...dhoni's capataincy is as useless to the team cause as his fielding, baating and bowling :)
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 14, 2011 05:20 PM
yes rajkamal dubey i suppose even boycott's grandmother or your own grandmother could have led this indian to no. 1 in all formats of the game...
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by rajkamal dubey on Oct 14, 2011 10:56 AM
7 in 22 against trinidad and 15 in 30 against cape cobras....hahaha...look at the scorecard in rediff...hilarious...it reads out like a comedy show....he also scored 2 runs against new south wales
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 14, 2011 01:00 PM
dhoni has given excellent results regardless of which team is given to him..he tries to do his best with whatever second choice third choice players are given to him..inspite of the absence of senior and experience players he extracts the best out of his new and relatively inexperienced players and leads us to awesome wins with his contribution also being very good many times especially in crunch situations..even when faced with problems like players getting injured even though the match is going on he still does his best...he has helped us winning mathes even though he had couple of specialist batsmen or specialis bowlers breaking down during the match...
on the other hand even though sachin has good players he makes mess of things most of the times...when made a captain he choses players of his quota notably from his region...he takes mumbai players like who have almost exclusively played under him...for example abey kuruvilla has played 10 tests and 25 odis in his career and nilesh kularni has played 3 tests and 10 odis in his career and all these matches have been under sachin captaincy except 1 odi which nilesh played under azhar and 1 test which he played under ganguly...so inspite of sachin taking players from his region, mumbai he is supposed to have to make do with players given to him...when as you can see the 2 above mentioned mumbai players almost exclusively played under him. and other players that sachin's fans like to mention have also played under other cap
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 14, 2011 01:04 PM
on the other hand even though sachin had good players he makes mess of things most of the times...when made a captain he choses players of his quota notably from his region...he takes mumbai players like who have almost exclusively played under him...for example abey kuruvilla has played 10 tests and 25 odis in his career and nilesh kularni has played 3 tests and 10 odis in his career and all these matches have been under sachin captaincy except 1 odi which nilesh played under azhar and 1 test which he played under ganguly...so inspite of sachin taking players from his region, mumbai he is supposed to have to make do with players given to him...when as you can see the 2 above mentioned mumbai players almost exclusively played under him. and other players that sachin's fans like to mention have also played under other captains like ganguly, azhar, jadeja but only when sachin is captain they were supposed to have been forced on him..
dhoni on the other hand does not mind from which part of india his players come as long as they have a strong desire to perform and have a winning attitude...and he is supposed to be political!
sachin has rarely been able to do well even when players like zaheer and bhajji who have not been very successful under him...but when dhoni handles them they again give their best....
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by Jiju on Oct 14, 2011 02:07 PM
Vaidya, no use of a good captain who is a 0 in fielding skills? Dhoni can infact bowl and hand over keeping to Parthiv Patel or Dinesh Karthik or Saha. No doubt that they are better wicket keepers than him.
And funny to think that he is a good captain overseas :) Name a few test series he won as a captain.... vs NZ in 08/09-->Sachin's 160 runs & Ishant Sharma/Harbhajan superb bowling in 1st/2nd innings. vs SA in 06/07-->Sreesanth's 8 wickets in the match supported by good bowling of Zak & Kumble. vs SA in 10/11-->Laxman's match saving 96 in the 2nd innings and 6 wickets each by Harbhajan & Zak which helped win the match. vs Eng in 07-->Zak's lovely bowling vs Aus in 08-->Pathan's all round performance vs SL in 10-->again Laxman's main contribution to the win FYI I dont consider wins over WI & Bangla to analyse Dhoni's performance for obvious reasons. When u see the above, it is evident that whenever we won, bowling dept has clicked apart from good support from the old Sachin/Dravid/Laxman and at times from Pathan, etc.
When bowlers have been responsible for most of the victories, it is clear that Dhoni had nothing to do to give "excellent results" as u claim.
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by vijay das on Oct 14, 2011 01:51 PM
A discussion about Dhoni's captaincy and from where the sachin Comes? Every body has their own preferences. Even Dhoni Has. Its all belief or trust on somebody who knows more. It doesn't mean that others are incapable or they themselves are capable. I never says that Sachin is a good captain but he is a one of the best cricketer. Never compare each and everybody. In one or more regard Each and every one is best
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by vijay das on Oct 14, 2011 01:52 PM
A discussion about Dhoni's captaincy and from where the sachin Comes? Every body has their own preferences. Even Dhoni Has. Its all belief or trust on somebody who knows more. It doesn't mean that others are incapable or they themselves are capable. I never says that Sachin is a good captain but he is a one of the best cricketer. Never compare each and everybody. In one or more regard Each and every one is best
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by Jiju on Oct 14, 2011 02:13 PM
Ha Ha Vijay, people have learnt a lot from the politicians like Digvijay Singh & Advani. Digvijay blames BJP/RSS for everything. Advani blames Congress for everything. Similarly, Dhoni fans blame Sachin and Sachin fans blame Dhoni. These fanatics will never improve :)
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by Jiju on Oct 14, 2011 02:02 PM
Frankly, Kuruvilla & Nilesh Kulkarni are no different than Dhoni except that Dhoni is a captain and they were not. What is the use of a good captain who is a zero in fielding skills? Dhoni can infact learn bowling and hand over keeping to Parthiv Patel or Dinesh Karthik or Saha. No doubt that they are better wicket keepers than him.
And funny to think that he is a good captain overseas :) Name a few test series he won as a captain.... vs NZ in 08/09-->won mainly because of Sachin's 160 runs & Ishant Sharma's superb bowling in 1st innings, Harbhajan's classy 6 wickets in 2nd innings. vs SA in 06/07-->won mainly because of Sreesanth's 8 wickets in the match supported by good bowling of Zak & Kumble. vs SA in 10/11-->who can forget Laxman's match saving 96 in the 2nd innings and 6 wickets each by Harbhajan & Zak which helped win the match. vs Eng in 07-->mainly Zak's lovely bowling won the match vs Aus in 08-->Pathan's all round performance vs SL in 10-->again Laxman's main contribution to the win FYI I dont consider wins over WI & Bangla to analyse Dhoni's performance for obvious reasons. When u see the above, it is evident that the bowling dept has clicked whenever we won apart from good support from the old Sachin/Dravid/Laxman and occassionally from Pathan, etc.
When bowlers have been responsible for most of the victories, it is clear that Dhoni had nothing to do to give "excellent results" as u said.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 14, 2011 03:24 PM
yes jiju i was expecting such posts from an ardent sachin fanatic as you....
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by Jiju on Oct 14, 2011 04:15 PM
WOW Vaidya, superb....! So according to you, anyone who criticizes Dhoni is a ardent Sachin fanatic....! Wonder how u see Sachin in all the players I credited the wins like Ishant, Harbhajan, Sreesanth, Zaheer Khan, Kumble, Laxman, Pathan & Dravid. When I replied last time, it was to say how "successful" Dhoni as a captain fared overseas...... You are trying to avoid it by calling me a Sachin fan! Sorry to disappoint you Sir, I am a fan of Indian cricket and not for any player...... I care a d-a-m-n about any cricketer. I dont care who performs well as long as my country wins the match. But when u people say Sachin won the match for India/Dhoni won the match for India single handedly, I cannot keep quiet. And if pointing out Dhoni's mistakes make me a Sachin fan, I am amused :) Can you please explain to me your logic?
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 14, 2011 04:28 PM
jiju, according to ur claim u treat all players equally...
then i wonder if you can explain how dravid who was our sole successful batsman (and who can be called MOS from indian side) is to be praised for his batting his performance not to be called useless...
but in the odi series that followed dhoni was sole successful batsman and officially MOS is to be blamed and his batting and performance called useless?
if u treat everybody equally can u tell me how according to you how dravid performance is praiseworthy and useful inspite of the whitewash in test series...
and how according to u how dhoni performance is not praiseworthy and useless because of the whitewash in odi series?
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 14, 2011 04:43 PM
btw, jiju, i dont understand how according to your logic praising dhoni's captaincy and his batting in any way means that he is responsible for the indian wins 'single-handedly'...
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by Jiju on Oct 14, 2011 08:36 PM
Vaidya, I am only bashing people here who say the match/matches was won because of Dhoni/Sachin. There are 11 players in the team. You dont give credit to other players. You say Zaheer and Harbhajan performed well because of Dhoni!! You mean to say Zaheer & Bhajji are dumbos/children for a captain to "bring the best ut of them"? What can I say to claims like this? If you are here to argue about me criticizing Dhoni or anyone, sorry. I cannot change my stance. If u r crediting earlier wins to him, pls do the same for defeats in England. You dont want to praise anyone but Dhoni, and you want everyone to do the same!! Maybe u did not see the forum for quite a few days, Dhoni fanatics were saying "Come on....Dhoni won us WC. All failures are excused". I pity such people who credit wins to a single person and blame the rest of the team for losses. I am teaching them that Dhoni is not THE TEAM. It comprises of 11 players. If you know that, my message is not for you. Until people stop criticizing other players, I will also do the same to their heroes.
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by Jiju on Oct 15, 2011 08:04 AM
Wow Vaidya, again u said I rank Sachin higher than everyone. I now understand how logical you think..... I never asked you to give credit to Sachin. Nor did i give ANY credit to Sachin. You say I am "acting" in front of you. Who do you think you are that I have to "act" in front of you and make you believe anything? I care a d-am-n if u give credit to Sachin or not. Point out Sachin's drawbacks. Who asked you not to do that? Just because I told the drawbacks of Dhoni, you term me a Sachin fanatic, very logical indeed :). As I told you, I dont care about any cricketer like you people, I am bothered only about Indian victory. Even if you want to divert the topic by saying I am a Sachin fan and rate others low, I dont have answers to your silly claims.
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by kumar jitendra on Oct 16, 2011 08:37 PM
dubey and jiju, Let me tell u one thing. If you praise Mahatma gandhi, it will not make u popular but if u hate him them immediately u will become focus of discussion. So keep trying, may one day ur wish ( of becoming popular) come true! haha
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by Jiju on Oct 18, 2011 06:00 AM
Jitendra, who cares about becoming focus of discussion? If people like Sunil Vaidya speak nonsense, we reply with facts. So, better you try to understand facts first. By the way, are you also a "great" citizen who feels Dhoni or any sole person is responsible for victories? or do you believe in team work?
