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MS Dhoni is Halkat
by SKM Prasad on May 18, 2011 12:39 PM | Hide replies

MS Dhoni is one of the ugly captain in INDIAN Cricket history….As a captain he is doing nothing for INDIAN Cricket…In the last world cup also, his performance was very bad..Gautam Ghambir made very good platform, that’s why Halkat DHONI played in place of Yuvraj and made 91 after getting 2 lifelines…Gautam was the right candidate for Man of the match..but it has been awarded to DHONI politically..We need very talented captain to our cricket team like Saurav Ganguly / Anil Kumble / Kapil Dev etc…

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Re: MS Dhoni is Halkat
by Sanjeev Sharma on May 18, 2011 12:42 PM
you fool. Because of Dhnoi we won the WC. You should be sent to Pakistan...Ganguly and sachin were the worst captain

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by ASHISH KUMAR on May 18, 2011 01:29 PM
sanjeev sharma- u are a fool.
You can't win wcup with one inning in final.
As per your logic goginder shrama won 2007 T-20 wcup as he bowled last over & defended 7 runs.
How many of us remember goginder sharma now?
Don't insult cricket by comapring greats like sachin ,dravid, laxman etc with ordinary politicain dhoni.
Dhoni flopped in 25 conscutive matches before final. Now tell me who else are so lucky to to get chance to play even after 25 failures.
One inning can't make u great.

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 12:56 PM
sanjeev sharma,
plz tell hw did we win world cup bcz of dhoni. you fool, cricket is a team game n sachin, sehwag, gambhir, zaheer, kohli, yuvraj contributed more than dhoni. dhoni is a gud batsman bt is nt playing wid potential.

u r calling ganguly a worst captain. ur comment shows ur knowledge in cricket.

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Re: MS Dhoni is Halkat
by RAVINDRAN MANAKKAPARAMBIL on May 18, 2011 01:16 PM
stop this rubbish and first learn more about cricket.

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Re: MS Dhoni is Halkat
by sonu on May 18, 2011 12:46 PM
prasad,
dhoni is a gud captain. although he ws a big flop in world cup as far as his batting is concerned bt at the same time he played the most memorable inning of his life in finals. its true that he came in place of yuvraj. bt still he is a gud batsman bt after getting captaincy his batting is nt as stronger as it used to be in his early days. he shud concentrate more on batting bcz he is a gud batsman.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 21, 2011 02:43 PM
ha ha ha sonu u joker, we DID win the 2011 wc because of dhoni. also if india is doing very well for the last 4 years it is because of HIM. it is because it is dhoni who as a captain, batsman and wicket keeper has made all the difference. if there was no dhoni but some other wicket keeper in his place all these years be assured that we would not have done SO well. It is because dhoni is in CHARGE of this team that we are seeing these results.

again you moron sonu u say that as a captain his batting has gone down. it has NOT gone down in fact it has become MORE consistent and MORE reliable than ever before. sonu just take his batting record and compare it with his batting record when he WAS not a captain and when he WAS a captain. if your eyes and brains are working properly you should understand.

sonu, idiot, you are one of the blind sachin fanatics against whom it is my crusade to write. u write all nonsense in favour of sachin and against other 10 players. ur jealousy of all other players and especially of dhoni is very well known. to disguise it u try to say that he played one of the most memorable innings of his life in the finals. but all this will not stop people from seeing through your hate of dhoni.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 21, 2011 02:50 PM
you say blatant untruths and lies about dhoni you say dhoni failed in this wc except the final and as a proof u provide the innings of dhoni against BD and netherlands and say see how he failed. U say dhoni got out on zero against BD and he made only 19 aganst Netherlands in 40 balls. u liar sonu, dhoni did NOT set his foot on the ground while india was batting. how can he score zero? do you know the difference between getting out on 0 and DNB? D(id) N(ot) B(at) means he did not face a single delivery as a batmsan in that innings. next you say he failed against netherlands because he made only 19 off 40 balls against them. u mental, dhoni remained not out till the end and helped india win. you joker do you want dhoni to continue playing and make 50 or 100 even AFTER the match was OVER? It shows that u do not even know that after the match is over it is over. U cannot play on any more. These 2 examples u gave against dhoni clearly shows how much u understand cricket and how much hate dhoni who has out performed and outshone your favourite sachin.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 21, 2011 02:56 PM
u idiot sonu, dhoni knows when to play slow and when to play fast. he is the smartest cricketer. he knows when and how to accelerate the pace and when to play sedately. against netherlands the target being only a little over 200 there was no reason to play at break neck speed. if the target was 280-300 he would have played fast. but since the target was always hovering around 4 run rate playing fast was not required but preserving wickets was needed. with 4 wickets down for 100 runs, run rate was not the problem but preserving wickets was and he proceeded to do just that. if he took 40 balls for his 19 runs there was also another reason for it. beside there being no hurry as regards the run rate yuvraj was also near his 50 runs. that is why he played out some dot balls and hence the low strike rate. but sonu, he was there till the END when india won.

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Re: MS Dhoni is Halkat
by navin k on May 18, 2011 12:54 PM
Do you watch cricket?

Okay under Dhoni,India has won the T-20 world cup.
India became the number 1 Test side in the world.
India became the number 2 side in One day internationals.
India has not lost a single test series, both in India and abroad.
India has made history in South Africa, Australia, New Zealand etc.

Now, some of the greatest cricketers who played for India, Tendulkar, Dravid, Gangjuly, Gavaskar, Kapil Dev have praised his captaincy.
Ex-crickters like Tony Greig, Nasser Hussain, Ian Chappell, Santh Jayasurya, Jonty Rhodes have all praised his captaincy.

If you do not like him, say you do not like him. To make it better do not watch India play when he is in the team.

But please do not come out with some naive comments.

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by ASHISH KUMAR on May 18, 2011 01:45 PM
Few of recent Dhoni credential as a captain:
1)shameful exit in 1st round of T20 wcup 2009 & 2010 after loosing all matches
2)shameful 1st round exit in ICC cup 2009 after loosing all matches
3)shameful 2-4 loss against Aus 2nd grade team at home soil in 2009
4)Loss of 2-4 against same Aus in ODI series last time in 2007
5) Shameful defeat in Asia cup final 2009
6) Shameful defeat in Triangular series in Bangladesh final.
7)Shameful defeat in 3rd ODI against SA when sachin/sehwag rested in home series.
8)Shameful inning defeat in 1st test match against SA in India when dravid/laxman not played due to injury.
9)Loss by an inning against SLK & SA in 1st test of series overseas
10)Loss against last SA ODI series 2-3. ( Ideal score would been 0-5 but luck favoured in two matches).

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by ASHISH KUMAR on May 18, 2011 01:46 PM
Dhoni as a player
1)Less than 100 strike rate in T20.
Responsible for all losses in 2nd T20 wcup as couldn’t strike the ball at crucial moment in all 3 matches.
2)Less than 40 avg in Test with No match winning /saving inning in test in entire career.
No overseas hundred (outside subcontinent) in test match against quality attack.
3)Inflated ODI avg in ODI due to no. of not out innings & manipulated batting position taking advantage of captaincy. Played very few match winning inning that also always on flat Indian wicket & against B grade bowling.
4) Pathetic wicketkeeping. Dropped catches in almost all matches.
5)Master in politics as introduced 100% regionalism in team by keeping only NI in team just because they are his friends.

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by Sowri Rajan on May 18, 2011 12:59 PM
Very strange how people talk about Dhoni. He has been consistently doing well both as a captain, as a wicket keeper and as a batsman. What else you want him to do? Play politics like other erstwhile captains. Take a bus and go to Pakistan, where you will be treated with honors.

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by Abhay Kumar on May 18, 2011 01:22 PM
True Rajan,
The platform shows how many of us are really bankrupt in thought.How can any one say on Dhoni who had won the WC and was MOM in the Final..
Sachin gave applouse to his captaincy as well.
I get surprised that how can the literate of our Socity think so Low..just becouse of Regional Biasedness...
I donn know who is replacement for MSD as a Keeper and Batsman.We have Parthiv,Karthik..are they capable to do the Captaincy Keeping Batting as a bunch??

Shame shame...

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by ASHISH KUMAR on May 18, 2011 01:53 PM
Any tom dick harry can do captaincy but he needs to earn a place as a batsman first.
This captaincy hype is only in India.
See collingwood was captain of winning england team in last T-20 wcup 2010.
But now he is sacked due to his poor batting form.
same way dhoni has never contributed with bat in 26 of t-20 intnl he played but still continuing in team.
All patel, kartik, raidu, uthapa etc are better wicketkeeper batsman than him but don't get so many chances to play.
Make captain any one kohli or gambhir or patel or tom- it doesn't matter.
any captain is as good as his team but captain should be a desrving player first.
Last series agaisnt NZL, dhoni was rested & gambhir was captain. India won the series 5-0.
What it say if yr team is good- u will win irespective of who is the captain.
Same Indian team lost in SA ODI series under dhoni captaincy as it is known that indian young players are not that good on SA pitches.
So its team who win atches & not captain.

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by navin k on May 18, 2011 02:08 PM
Ashish,
I think you need to get all the facts right.
He might have lost a few tournaments, but still he is the most consistent performer as a captain, wicketkeeper and batsman.
He is definitely the best wicketkeeper batsman who played for India since Farooq Engineer and Syed Kirmani. No other can come close, let it be Kiran More, Mongia, Dahiya, MSK Prasad etc.
No Indian cricket captain can boast of not losing a single test series as a captain. Only the second captain to win world cup. Only the first captain to win T-20 and One day world cup. Only captain to get India to the top of the Test playing nations.
You have to get your facts right.
It is easy to say he is lucky. If he was that lucky he would have never lost a single T-20, One day or Test series in his entire career.

Thank God you are not a selector!

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by ASHISH KUMAR on May 19, 2011 01:45 PM
Mr abhay kumar I am from same state of dhoni . so please don't bring regionalism here.
Fact is dhoni is the most regional biased captain in history & most of his fans are regional.
Few good inning after no. of failures doesn't make you great.
Also his political behaviour is very vissible

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Re: MS Dhoni is Halkat
by Asim Mehtani on May 18, 2011 01:12 PM
Please consult eye specialist, and neurologists.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 02:51 PM
sonu, you are idiot. you dont understand cricket. u think since becoming captain his batting is not as strong as before? obviously u have stopped following cricket since he became captain. his responsibility and performance since becoming captain has only increased. after becoming captain even in tests he has scored at 50 plus average. it is clear you do not know his stats before and after he became captain. as a captain he has scored 1503 runs in 34 innings with 50 plus average and in the process has also scored 3 100s and 14 50s. 14 scores of 50 plus in tests out of 34 innings that too coming at no. 7 position most of the times and sonu says his batting has gone down after becoming captain. shows how much sonu understands about cricket. sonu, in won test matches dhoni has contributed with 47 runs average overall and 58 average as a captain. in won odi matches his average is almost 80 runs with almost 100 strike rate.

sonu, continue showing how cricekt-illeterate you are...

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 02:54 PM
sorry i mean 3 100s and 11 50s

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by ASHISH KUMAR on May 19, 2011 01:51 PM
Sunil vaidya all your data is as usual distorted & without any logic.
He has world record of 62 not out innings in ODI. If you remove his not out innings his average come down to less than 30. Also all of his runs scored on flat indian pitches & against asian teams only. He always flopped as a batsman overseas when facing quality attack like SA/Aus etc.
In Test his average is already poor. He scored few runs in test only when there is no pressure & sachin/sehwag/laxman has already score a plenty in that inning.
T-20 intl- you better not talk as you will be ashamed to know his average & strike rate.
Raw Data alone doesn't give any picture unless you know how to filter it & interpret it correctly

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 02:45 PM
sonu has started his barking. you idiot dhoni did not fail even in ONCE this WC. what do you want him to do? hit 50s and 100s in 7th batting position? Hit maximum no. of runs when he came most of the time when only 10-15 overs remained. sonu, in that conditions anybody could make only 20s and 30s and he did that consistently.

sonu, only fools like you will expect somebody who comes at 6 or 7 position to score 50s and 100s and have tally of runs like batsmen who bat at no. 1, 2 or 3...

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by anukriti on May 18, 2011 05:44 PM
sunil,
u r unnecessarily getting angry on sonu's comment. sonu hs clearly written that dhoni played the most memorable inning of his life in finals. this comment shows that he is appreciating dhoni. i knw u r a big dhoni fan, so m i bt plz check stats. he scored 241 runs in 9 innings n scored 2- 20's n 2- 30's. his strike rate ws gud in jst 3 matches , in remaining matches it ws really poor.
even in crucial matches against SA n Pak, it ws really poor. accept the facts n u may check the stats i hv mentioned.
no doubt dhoni is gud batsman n he hs proved it by scoring 183, 148 n 91 in his career, bt being a dhoni fan it dsnt mean u wl criticize any legend which u ALWAYS DO.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 08:36 PM
anukriti that is because run rate was not important in those matches. against ireland and netherland if his strike rate was low there is a reason for it. the target being not high there was no need to play fast just preserving the wickets was the need of the hour and he did just that. he knows when to play slow and when to increase the pace. if targets are around 4 runs you do not HAVE to score 6 runs per over. his 19 runs in 40 balls against ireland was also because yuvraj was close to his 50 and dhoni played out dot balls to allows yuvraj to get his 50. not other reason. and dhoni was there till the end.

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by ASHISH KUMAR on May 19, 2011 01:57 PM
He knows when to score.
Then yr memory is very short.
Who can forget 2008/2010 T-20 wcup.
Because of dhoni slow inning in 5-6 matches at crucial moment ensured India loss & hence out in 1st round of both the tournaments.
Every one agrres he played good in final.
But it is also a fact that he flopped in all matches before final & all 5 matches in SA ODI series with highest score less than 25 (got enough chance to play in all of SA matches).
Don't be a blind fan of dhoni & start watching cricket as a true sports fan

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 05:20 PM
vaidya,
u again proved that u cnt read simple english. i hv appreciated dhoni by saying he is a gud batsman. n its a known fact that his batting has been affected.

i m nt like to criticize any player everytime which u do in case of sachin. perhapse u didnt understand the meaning of this line

" bt at the same time he played the most memorable inning of his life in finals..."

u r a fool who says that he never failed even a single time in world cup. go n check his batting stats in world cup. he played a fantastic inning in final bt cudnt contribute in other matches.

vaidya, u r a born loser who cnt even read and understand sentences. ur family is full of vaidya's , go n get a treatment u loser.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 05:53 PM
sonu, with this post you again prove that you are an idiot. inspite of explaining how you are wrong in saying dhoni's batting went down after he became captain you are again arguing with me. i have given you facts and figures of dhoni's performance after he became captain both in odi and tests. yet you do not understand...

i have explained how he did NOT fail in the wc. still you do not understand. still you want to say that if dhoni had hit 50s and 100s and had a good overall total then you only you will accept that dhoni did not fail in this wc.

you fool you dont expect 50s and 100s from somebody who bats at no. 6 or 7. you dont expect batsman batting at that position to lead the aggregate runs that a batsman no. 1 or 2 or 3 can make. you dont understand this basic fact and you think you understand cricket.

tell me in which innings dhoni failed in wc?

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 06:21 PM
vaidya, u wrote

"against BD with sehwag fireworks he was not required to bat."
so thats why he got out on 0. wow wht an analysis

"against eng and SA he did his best."
against SA he scored 12 runs at a pathetic S/R of 57.14.

n as usual u r criticizing sachin for no reason n helding him responsible for team's failure against eng.
wow u hv a great knowledge in cricket. jst ask anyone abt that match n everyone wl support sachin.

their r so many vaidya' s in ur family, why dnt u get ur treatment frm them or is it bcz that all vaidya's treated u n u hv bcm so ?

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 06:09 PM
vaidya,
i really pity on u. the people who r criticizing dhoni for no reason, u r nt even replying them bt even after my appraisal for dhoni, u r consistently getting irritated.

plz again read my line
" he played the most memorable inning of his life in finals "

if u cnt understnd meaning of this line what can i do ?

still u want me to show his stats in world cup ? ok.
o vs Bangladesh
19 vs netherland
12 vs south africa (s/r 57.14)
7 vs aus.
all these r great innings. isnt it ?

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by ASHISH KUMAR on May 19, 2011 02:02 PM
Sonu leave this vaidya- he is a menatl case.
He always give some manipulated data with no logic/brain applied in that.
His thinking is like a data operaor but due to low IQ, can't analyze data as a manager.

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 06:08 PM
vaidya,
i really pity on u. the people who r criticizing dhoni for no reason, u r nt even replying them bt even after my appraisal for dhoni, u r consistently getting irritated.

plz again read my line
" he played the most memorable inning of his life in finals "

if u cnt understnd meaning of this line what can i do ?

still u want me to show his stats in world cup ? ok.
o vs Bangladesh
19 vs netherland
12 vs south africa (s/r 57.14)
7 vs aus.
all these r great innings. isnt it ?

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 07:19 PM
sonu when you say dhoni made 0 vs BD you are lying blatantly. that is an outright lie. he was not required to bat so that is not a failure.

his 19 against netherland was not a failure as he was there till the end and remained not out. so that is again not a failure. his strike rate was low but fast scoring was not required at that stage only preservation of wickets was needed. besides he had to let yuvraj complete his 50 hence so many dot balls and slow strike rate. but not a failure.

against SA he made 12 but was left stranded. the other players for once had an off day. it happens and sometimes an innings collapses in a heap. dhoni remained not out but you cannot call this a failure. what was needed was just to play out 50 overs and runs would have come. but such collapses do happen sometimes and with all sides in the world.

yes, against australia he did not do well.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 07:00 PM
That’s why sonu when you and people like you (and anukriti, kapil siddhu and many others) say that dhoni did well only in finals and he was a failure before that is very unjust. You people don’t know how to make comparisons and what is called a failure. There I have dissected all his innings and shown you how he played fast when needed and when runrate was not a problem the need was to preserve wickets he just did that.

Many of you people like to say that if sachin who made the highest aggregate runs in WC had not played in league matches we would not have reached the finals and gambhir and dhoni would not have been able to play those innings. This is again a fallacy. Sachin may have got the highest aggregate runs and hit 2 centuries but to say that he always is the one who takes us to the finals is as usual wrong. In case you people did not notice it the 2 innings in which he hit centuries we did NOT win. And I think your brains can also grasp this simple fact that a side progresses from league to semi finals finals etc. by WINNING matches and not by NOT WINNING matches. And as these 2 centuries came in matches which were NOT WON we did not EXACTLY reach the FINALS BEAUSE of them.

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 07:17 PM
sunil,
i jst cnt stop myself laughing. i hv nt seen such a jealous person like u in my life. u hv hatred n jealousy for a person who is not even of ur field or workplace. u cry bt still u cnt change the opinion of great players who say that sachin is a great batsman. for ur information

Tendulkar is the only player of his generation, and the cricketer to have played for India, to be included in Bradman's Eleven.

nw u wl again come with ur usual illogical crap to deny this FACT.
bcz u understand cricket more than bradman.
he he he

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 07:51 PM
Sonu on the basis of his career stats he may be there but let me assure you others like sehwag, gambhir, dravid laxman are also very very good. Just because they have not played as long as sachin or as many matches as sachin does not mean they are lesser. At the end of playing for 20 years these players would also have a similar record. If they play as many matches as sachin there record would also be as good or even better than sachin. yes his record looks good but what about his performances in crisis. At such times others easily score over him. The no. of times laxman and dravid have saved india and won or saved matches for india is legendary. Sachin is abject failure in such conditions whether you want to believe it or not. Even last year laxman played 5-6 such extraordinary innings. Remember test win against lanka along with raina, test win against aus along with ishant Sharma, partnerships with harbhajan (he hit 2 100s) vs NZ, partnerships with dhoni in SA both innings when we won the 2nd test where sachin was a dismal failure. Sachin did not play such innings even in his dreams. Sonu simply good looking stats are not enough. There should be substance in it. What laxman gave last year you will not find from sachin even after he has played for 20 years. That’s the difference. That’s why sachin is not the best batsman in the world for me. Hope you understand my reasons.

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 08:39 PM
vaidya,
whn u hv written
"yes sonu, when other people spread such venom against other 10 players i get the right to criticise sachin."

i hv understud everything. i jst cnt stop laughing. if u really understand cricket then u shud admit that a player who plays less innings hs a better average. bt sachin hs a better average than all of them even after playing more matches than others. no doubt dravid, laxman, veeru r great batsman bt they r nothing in front of sachin n CRICKET EXPERTS ADMIT THAT SACHIN IS BETTER THAN ALL.
it dsnt make any deifference whether u or me admit this fact or not.

also u hv written
"Remember test win against lanka along with raina"

poor sunil, hw conviniently u forgot that sachin also scored 54 important runs in that innings whn 4 wickets wr down on 62.

u hv also written
"Sachin did not play such innings even in his dreams."

u r right bcz sachin plays such innings in reality nt in dreams.

believe me, a player who plays lesser matches hs better average bt SACHIN hs better average than others even after playing more matches than them.

nw i wont reply u bcz its useless as u hv already admitted
"yes sonu, when other people spread such venom against other 10 players i get the right to criticise sachin."

keep bashing sachin, this is wht max u cn do in ur entire life.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 08:54 PM
poor sonu, again you are trying to hide from reality. yes sachin made 54 but were they enough? should he have not carried on like laxman. thats the problem. he either fails or flatter to deceive and returns to the pavilion without completing the job. there were still a lot of runs to get. but he got out. against aus too laxman needed somebody like ishant sachin left early. against nz laxman played with bhajji (2 partnerships harbhajan making 2 100s) again sachin failed. against SA the winning 2nd test laxman partnerships with dhoni (again sachin failed)

sonu in all these innings laxman is the common factor. sometimes with raina, sometimes with dhoni, sometimes with ishant sometimes with bhajji. the point is sachin rarely if ever comes good in such desperate situations. sachin does not do such things anywhere neither in dreams NOR IN REALITY. i gave you 6 miracles from laxman in just 1 year. sonu let us see how many such miracles you can cite from sachin's bat from a period of over 20 years.

sonu now i cant stop laughing. a player who plays less innings has better average. wow! what a line! sonu, i award it 'the funniest line in the year' award. sonu i did not know you were so good as a joker. carry on!

moron you will never understand cricket and how you will never understand how sachin is overrated.

sonu, how did you find that out will you tell me. player playing less matches has more average! ha ha ha! sonu we are not talking of so few innings are we?

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 10:36 PM
sunil,
i m doing a healthy discussion here bt repeatedly u r using words like idiot, fool, bark n now joker n moron.

i know all these are ur f.@.t.h.e.r.$ name, why r u telling me again n again u $0n of a $.L.u.t ?

felt bad ? so next time dnt use bad words while having discussion with me, else u wl get much more worse than u hv ever expected in ur frustrated life.

nw get lost n practice sm medicine with ur v.a.i.d.y.a family n dnt cm here again u s.o.n of a $...

BTW hw is mukund ?

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 19, 2011 02:30 AM
what healthy discussion sonu? like saying my family is full of vaidyas, i am jealous about sachin, saying you feel sad for family who is living with a mental patient, calling me a born loser, leading a frustrated life, calling me a son of a $ etc. is that your idea of ''healthy'' discussion?

sonu it is me who is trying to make a healthy discussion, a argument without abusing anybody, but if this is the language you are going to use and not listening my arguments then that is what you will get to? have you taken theka of abusing. you think only you have the right of saying to others whatever you feel like? sonu if people talk straight and sensibly with me i do the same and people want to talk with me on a gutter-level i am ready to talk that way also...

so remember when you are talking to me you give respect i to me i will give respect to you. you mess with me i will have to mess with you.

you use bad language with me sonu, you will forever regret it. i will go even further down your level if you try this with me...

BTW mukund is my father's name. he died 3 years ago and sometimes i use his account...

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 19, 2011 02:51 AM
sonu, how did you find that out will you tell me. player playing less matches has more average! ha ha ha! sonu we are not talking of so few innings are we? The way you are speaking one would get the impression that we are talking over only about a period of 5-6 innings. Such things may be possible if very few innings are considered. But sonu I am talking of dravid, laxman, sehwag, gambhir who have not played so few innings that a meaningful average cannot be taken!

sonu let us compare sachin and sehwag's test career. just divide no. of test runs of sachin with the no. of test innings he has played and then divide the no. of test runs sehwag has made with the no. of innings he has played. you will find sehwag has made more runs PER test innings than sachin. sehwag rarely has remained not out. while sachin's higher average than sehwag is because of sachin's many not outs which inflates his overall average...

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by anukriti on May 19, 2011 08:26 PM
Sunil n Sonu,
one should keep discussion forum clean

sunil, u r right - u do an argument without abusing anybody ...

ur first line of first 2 msgs (2.45pm, 2.51 pm) are living proof of this which ws started by u only :)

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 08:38 PM
vaidya,
whn u hv written
"yes sonu, when other people spread such venom against other 10 players i get the right to criticise sachin."

i hv understud everything. i jst cnt stop laughing. if u really understand cricket then u shud admit that a player who plays less innings hs a better average. bt sachin hs a better average than all of them even after playing more matches than others. no doubt dravid, laxman, veeru r great batsman bt they r nothing in front of sachin n CRICKET EXPERTS ADMIT THAT SACHIN IS BETTER THAN ALL.
it dsnt make any deifference whether u or me admit this fact or not.

also u hv written
"Remember test win against lanka along with raina"

poor sunil, hw conviniently u forgot that sachin also scored 54 important runs in that innings whn 4 wickets wr down on 62.

u hv also written
"Sachin did not play such innings even in his dreams."

u r right bcz sachin plays such innings in reality nt in dreams.

believe me, a player who plays lesser matches hs better average bt SACHIN hs better average than others even after playing more matches than them.

nw i wont reply u bcz its useless as u hv already admitted
"yes sonu, when other people spread such venom against other 10 players i get the right to criticise sachin."

keep bashing sachin, this is wht max u cn do in ur entire life.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 07:36 PM
sonu sachin is the most overrated batsman in the world. when he is called india's one man army or when he is said to win matches 'single-handedly' for india that is exactly what is being done. all the performances of other 10 players are forgotten and their credits stolen by blind sachin fans (though not by sachin himself, who is completely blameless in this matter)and donated to sachin.

sachin does his 10% but he is given 100% (nay 1000% or even 1 lac % by those people who are his blind fanatics) credit for india's win (while other 10 players are given 0% credit for india's win). all other performances are forgotten and abused. on the other hand when india loses he is given 0% credit (or rather blame) and others given 100% credit (or rather blame for india's loss)

sonu all the times when i write about sachin i do exactly the opposite of what theis blind fantards (mentally retarded fans, a term coined by somebody on this forum, which i agree completely with). when i write about sachin it is addressed to such people like LG, senthil, ashishkumar, sameer, against pseudos, juniordon, dire straits, arvin g, etc. who only abuse and spread their venom against other 10 players. sonu when i write i write for only these people and nobody else. i am a crusader and this is my mission. whatever they write about others i return it to them by writing about sachin. these people forget every good preformance of other players and point out only their failures. i do the same in re

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 07:43 PM
vaidya,
so u mean to say whn other people spread their venom against other 10 players, u get the right to criticize sachin ?

perhaps thats why i hv never ever seen appreciation to sachin frm ur side bcz others criticize remaining 10 players.
wow, again great analysis.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 08:10 PM
yes sonu, when other people spread such venom against other 10 players i get the right to criticise sachin.

please understand that i have not written against sachin, i have written against those blind sachin fantards. sonu, two can play this game. and i have decided to play their game, using their logic and their language, their excuses and their subterfuges. if they abuse i will do the same. if have short or long term memory loss so shall i. sonu my messages are not intended for the general public here but only those people who spread venom and pollute the atmosphere here. i was provoked by such people most notably LG, whom you people can give full credit for me starting to write here. i write only for such people like LG, senthil, sameer, ashishkumar, skm prasad, arvin g, junior don, dire straits and their type. please dont get caught in the corssfire. at the same time let me say also that while i take some liberties with truth i dont exactly lie either.

my messages are only to bait them.

even though i write mainly for sachin fantards i do put across some genuine sachin shortcomings and defects also where other players score over him.

sachin is no GOD. and this nonsense is going on for too long. while sachin is not my favourite player i dont hate him and i am not jealous of him either. i know he is good and honest and does not say the nonsense which his crap blind followers do. but these people have made a dr jekyll mr hyde type monster from him....

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 07:50 PM
As to his being in bradman’s team, well if he had selected that team before sachin started playing it would have been gavaskar in his place. If at that time sachin was just in his 5th or 6th year in the international scene his name would have not been there. Somebody elses’ name would have been there. Besides his is not the ONLY name in bradman’s team isn’t it? So how can you say he is the best according to bradman? How do you know some other batsman from bradman’s team in not the best according to bradman? if he makes the list now for all you know bradman may reassess things and include some other player in his place?

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 08:10 PM
oh poor vaidya,
why cnt u understand the meaning of simple sentences ?
whn did i write that sachin is the best batsman of bradman's XI ? did i write this ? if yes then plz mention - where n when ?

i jst wrote that sachin ws selected frm the present generation in an all time team.n gavaskar is nt there in all time team.

plz read the sentence properly n dnt make hurry in replying.
bradman's team is

Bradman's team: Barry Richards (South Africa), Arthur Morris (Australia), Don Bradman (Australia), Sachin Tendulkar (India), Garry Sobers (West Indies), Don Tallon (Australia), Ray Lindwall (Australia), Dennis Lillee (Australia), Alec Bedser (England), Bill O'Reilly (Australia), Clarrie Grimmett (Australia). 12th man Wally Hammond (England)

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 08:31 PM
BTW sonu, you again are harping about the 0 he made (or rather did not make) against BD. please check the scorecard against BD in 2011 wc, dhoni did not face a single ball. against dhoni name you will see DNB. that means he D(id) N(ot) B(at). he did not set his foot on the ground when india batted against BD so how can he score 0 against them? any idea sonu?...

great logic from you there sonu. somebody can score 0 runs against a side without even entering the groun to bat...WOW!!!

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 08:21 PM
sonu when you say that sachin is in bradman's team and you admit that you did not write sachin is the best batsman of bradman's XI. then that is what i am saying also. when did i deny that he is not in bradman's team. i am only saying that according to me sachin is not the best batsman in the world.

bas, that's it. nothing more and nothing less.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 08:42 PM
sonu u have appreciated dhoni saying he is gud batsman. but that is not enough. you dont have to say he failed in wc or that after becoming captain his batting has been affected and he started to play poorly. that is not correct. in wc he did what was possible to do at his position. after becoming captain you may not have noticed but he gave better batting performances than before. his batting average which is 40 plus in tests overall, actually as a captain he has scored with 50 plus avereage with 14 scores of above 50 in 34 innings. that is something even specialis batsman will be proud of.

yes his batting is affected but not in the way you imply. from your writing one will get the impression that he has started failing more. not so. yes he does not go boom boom right from the word go nowadays because with added responsibility he has to be more circumspect. those easrly days there were big names in the indian team and too much expectations were not threre from dhoni. but with time he has become one of the big names himself and he is also the captain now. more is expected from him and so he has to be cautious and not hard hitting so early in his innings as before. but his consistency and finishing is still the same.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 06:00 PM
against BD with sehwag fireworks he was not required to bat. against eng and SA he did his best. against england it was he and yuvraj who built up india innings back to good position after bad batting by sachin threatened to mess up india’s position. Sachin got out during batting powerplay playing a horrible shot. Sonu I know it is beyond your understanding but batting powerplay is taken when set batsmen on the crease believe that they are now set and can take batting powerplay and increase runrate without taking too many risks and most important of all NOT getting out. Batting powerplay are meant for set batsman to increase the run rate and NOT for set batsman to get out and make new batsman come to crease and ask THEM to increase the runrate as soon as they come to bat. Sachin did this basic mistake and got out to a horrendous irresponsible stroke. But still dhoni and yuvraj put Indian back on track. Sachin wicket fell in 39th over. So you see dhoni came to bat when only about 11 overs were left. And he played well and scored 31 runs in 25 balls. That is he scored at about 8 runs per over. On the other hand on this 350-400 run pitch sachin HIT out a MAIDEN over. After a blistering start of 40 runs in 24 balls he progressively went slower and slower and made 80 runs in the next 91 balls and then worst of all proceeded to lose his wicket and asked the new batsmen to score fast and take advantage of batting powerplay as soon as they come to the crease.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 06:40 PM
In the match against Ireland sachin did not get his usual flat batting track which he enjoys most and consequently even though the total to chase was not too high he made heavy weather of it. Ireland was restricted to 207 runs. But our top order who made good use of flat batting tracks like against SA and eng were not so successful when faced with pitches assisting bowlers and did not do too well against ireland and netherland who though they set up only a modest target fought spiritedly with all their might. This time dhoni came 4 down (at 6th position) with scored at 100 for 4 in 24th over. With 4 wickets gone for only 100 runs dhoni set about repairing the damage and stabilizing india innings. Since the target was not big there was no problem about run rate and so he did not take risk of playing fast which was not needed and which might have resulted in loss of further wickets. The need of the hour was just to preserve wickets and the runs would come eventually. That’s exactly what happened and dhoni and yuvraj once again stitched together a very useful partnership. The no. of times these 2 have done it is legendary. Dhoni made 34 runs of 50 balls before getting out and helped india winning the game. We certainly cant call this innings a failure.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 06:43 PM
Against Netherlands too our bowlers did their job well and restricted them to 189 runs. Once again though the target was small our top order either took it easy or perhaps the pitch was not that good and we were 99 for 4 in 15th over at one stage. Though dhoni made only 19 runs not out in 40 balls you got to understand that again run rate was not the issue. We only had to play out overs without losing wickets and the result would be in our favour. Besides there was also that little matter of allowing yuvraj to complete his 50 runs. Hence the strike rate of under 50. Rest assured if the required run rate was higher dhoni would not have wasted the balls. So you see here also dhoni did not fail.

Against south Africa after a good start once again sachin made the mistake of getting out in batting powerplay. Dhoni came to the crease and he knew that india only had to play out 50 overs without being flashy. Again he came out with 10 overs remaining. It was needed that the first few overs be played cautiously and the last 5-6 overs could have been hit. But yuvraj and kohli got out trying to hit out as soon as they came in without getting their eye in. they both perished and so did out other batsman. Dhoni was left stranded at one end and could not do much. If only other players had kept a cooler head we would have set up a higher target than we ultimately managed.

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 06:59 PM
vaidya,
u wrote
"But our top order who made good use of flat batting tracks like against SA and eng were not so successful when faced with pitches assisting bowlers"

hw easily u called these two tracks flat bcz sachin scored centuries, bt why didnt remaining batsman scored runs on so called flat tracks ?

plz tell why did dhoni scored 12 runs on a flat track against sa , that too with a s/r or 57.14 ?

i wud again like to repeat that dhoni is a gud batsman bt u blame sachin again n again for no reason.
this is the basic difference between u n me. u wrote big words abt truth whn u replied anukriti, bt u dnt accept truth bt i write truth whether its for dhoni n against sachin or vice versa.

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by Sunil Vaidya on May 18, 2011 06:50 PM
Against WI after a good start dhoni came at no. 5 and made 22 runs of 30 balls before getting out.

Against Australia he did not do too much, I agree. Against Pakistan he came in 6th position and keeping in mind what had happened in the last 2-3 matches he did not want another late order collapse and played sedately making 25 runs of 42 balls. He ensured that wickets did not fell in a heap at that crucial stage and so that we could hit out at the end and post a decent total. And I don’t need to tell you what happened in the finals. Dhoni played one of his best innings under pressure and while chasing in the final of the wc. He made 91 not out from just 79 balls. this just shows once again what he can do when he gets more balls to face.

Though sachin did again what was expected fell in the finals under pressure. The number of times he does that thing when the target is difficult-to-intimidating Is challenging. You just have to see his centuries while chasing and you will find that the targets were something like between 180-240 runs. What he does while chasing targets like 280-340 is very well known.

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 05:25 PM
vaidya,
also tell hw many 20's n 30's dhoni made in world cup. u dnt even understand simple english nor knw the stats n start barking which u hv done again. i really pity on u cz u cudnt understand my sentence "" he is a gud batsman "".

this shows ur frustration n jealousy bcz sm sensible people like me hv been thrashing u for ur dual opinions.
cm n copy my sentences again. i m waiting. bt believe me that dhoni is a gud batsman who cn contribute more like yuvraj.

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by sonu on May 18, 2011 05:26 PM
vaidya,
also tell hw many 20's n 30's dhoni made in world cup. u dnt even understand simple english nor knw the stats n start barking which u hv done again. i really pity on u cz u cudnt understand my sentence "" he is a gud batsman "".

this shows ur frustration n jealousy bcz sm sensible people like me hv been thrashing u for ur dual opinions.
cm n copy my sentences again. i m waiting. bt believe me that dhoni is a gud batsman who cn contribute more like yuvraj.

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