kick of dhoni, nehara, munaf and take raina, aswin and sreesanth. give capitance to gowthan / viru and use following playes as a wicket keeper gowtham or kholi or viru. Indian will win atleast we can avoild politics in players.
Re: India
by Rohit Madan on Mar 18, 2011 01:01 PM
poor neutralman, tell me when india scored 370 vs bangladesh what happened ??? it is very much clear that u know nothing about the game cricket
ashwin - well, its good that everyone is supporting him..and rightly so he should get a chance..but if he fails, will u all gun for his head?this is typical indian mentality..we should pick ashwin not because piyush has failed but because ashwin is best suited for odi format that is to restrict the flow of runs with his variations..hes not an attacking bowler like piyush but an analysis like 10-2-70-3 for piyush is not great when compared to 10-0-40-0 for ashwin...hence, if ashwin is picked and even if he leaks runs against windies, he should still be there..
yusuf and raina - yusuf is the sort of guy who gives his best when teh chips are down and when hes the only man in need..
like for ex, he has delivered the most when india chased and when the top order failed miserably.this kind of situations comes in foreign pitches where our top order falters frequently..but in indian conditions and with the kind of form our top order is into, it is not nice to pick this fella.
raina - raina is a player who relishes indian conditions, can rotate the strike and also can play his shots when needed..hence, with the top order doing a nice job and when yusuf's ideal situations are not coming, its imperative to go for raina...also, raina can effect brilliant catches and run outs when the chips are down..
Re: ahswin,yusuf and raina
by Abhijit on Mar 18, 2011 11:48 AM
As the name suggest, no doubt for the support to Ashwin from dharan. If there is Harbhajan, Yusuf, Yuvraj, no need for Ashwin. Replace Nehra with Sreesanth
Yusuf is far better than Raina. A player who can finish the game with just some big hits.........His quick 30 not out with Yuvraj is an example.
Re: Re: ahswin,yusuf and raina
by Piyush Dhangar on Mar 18, 2011 12:23 PM
No use playing both Kohli and Gambhir, may be GG can be droped for 1 match and use Kohli at 3 and bring in Raina and may be MSD shud play at 4.
Re: Re: ahswin,yusuf and raina
by veerapuram dharan on Mar 18, 2011 11:50 AM
when u couldnt interpret my elaborate and impartial analysis, goes to show that u have sneaked into our territory via the wagah..
Re: Re: Re: ahswin,yusuf and raina
by Abhijit on Mar 18, 2011 12:29 PM
the elaborate and impartial analysis you claim to have posted is just opposite. With 3 spinners already in the team, why Ashwin? 3 Seamers and 3 spinners the best option. Yusufs SA innings and that 30 are good innings under pressure. He plays if top order fails and good scores from Tendulkar, Sehwag and Gambhir will not be there always even in 'Indian Conditions'
Re: Re: Re: Re: ahswin,yusuf and raina
by veerapuram dharan on Mar 18, 2011 01:05 PM
am talking about a genuine spinner..not part timers..lanka also has dilshan , samaraweera yet they go with mendis, herath and murali..thats the strength..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ahswin,yusuf and raina
by Abhijit on Mar 18, 2011 01:46 PM
Did Dilshan bowled like Yuvraj recently? Did he had 5 for like yuvraj? Yusuf bowls almost in all matches for India when he was in the team. What about this Samaraveera? Mendis/Herath/Murali are totally different spinners, whereas Ashwin and Harbhajan are almost same and referred as offspinners.
India must go with five bowlers- three seamers and two spinners- harbhajan and Ashwin.Virat Kohli is hardly being used as a batsman. He may be dropped to accomodate the extra bowler.
Re: Indian bowling
by sunil vaidya on Mar 21, 2011 07:05 PM
see, like i said when first 2 3 wickets fall early kohli will get a chance to bat long inings so also yuvraj. sehwag not there against WI sachin fall early and like i said kohli who is nor rain to bat succesfully at no. 6 or 7 but a very good no. 3 player played like i said he would. similarly for yuvraj. that is why once sehwag comes back he should open with gambhir and sachin (FTB) should dropped as fast as possible.
Re: Indian bowling
by sunil vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 11:40 AM
it is not that virat is not being used. because of success of top 3 he just does not have enough time to succeed. when top order failed he has played some good innings (30 and 40s). the point is if the first 3 or 2 wickets fall quickly kohli will get time and no. of balls to play a good and long innings. if the top 3 succeed there will not be enough time to left for a batsman like kohli. the slog overs are ideal for someobody like dhoni and raina. if the best batsmen cant bat at their best position it is because of sachin who has to be accommodated at any cost. in the past few years we have done very good whenever he has not played whether rested or injured. once he comes back the rythm and balance of the team is upset. the faster he retires the better it will be for our odi team. sachin should be dropped and raina should be taken for the best odi team.
Re: Re: Re: Indian bowling
by Sunil Vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 01:28 PM
here comes pseudo with his usual spits. he does not have a spittoon available when he feels like spitting so he uses the rediff forum instead ...:)
Re: Re: Re: Indian bowling
by Abhijit on Mar 18, 2011 12:35 PM
Ideal for Nehra & Munaf to show their batting talent if Dhoni is there in slog overs. What a good defence he showed to a slow left arm spinner Peterson in the 44th over against SA! In the over break, we used to see Dhonis Helicopter shot, shot with water in face etc. In ground good forward defensive block against a SAfrican slow left arm spinner!
Re: Re: Indian bowling
by Ashok Kumar on Mar 18, 2011 12:02 PM
Does not make sense to me buddy. You are blaming Sachin for the failure eventhough it is actually the reckless batting order change experimented by MSD causing the damage. When SRT gets going, it is also fact that the rest of the team goes to sleep and when he gets out, they bat like zombies. For the past quite a few matches, we have not batted and bowled well in the death overs. Explain me why that is so? It is a simple fact that Indian Batsmen and Bowlers lack the focus, concentration to be consistent over 50 overs.
Re: Re: Re: Indian bowling
by Sunil Vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 01:34 PM
ashok kumar, somebody here rightly said that one understands the value of a person when he is no longer there. well after sachin retires (i hope it will be very soon) it will be clear how good he is and how important to the indian team and how our team fares in his absence.
in the past also he did not play many matches due to either injury or rest and on all those occasions if you check records you will find that we have done very well. but even then people forget it as soon as sachin retires and most of us go to the old bad ways. when sachin will really retire the people will see how good we are as a team without him.
if you have forgotten how well we did when he was not there you will soon after he retires. then there will be no danger of his coming back to the indian team and people will be REALLY able to see that we can do very well without him.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indian bowling
by Sunil Vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 01:35 PM
sorry, i mean-
in the past also he did not play many matches due to either injury or rest and on all those occasions if you check records you will find that we have done very well. but even then people forget it as soon as sachin returns,most of us go to the old bad ways. when sachin will really retire the people will see how good we are as a team without him.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indian bowling
by Sunil Vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 01:42 PM
sameer, is it really true that on viewing view my page you can see that persons posts? that does not seem to work when i try it. for the past few days whenever i try to view somebody's posts it says you have to add that particular person as your friend to read his latest updates. please tell how to view anybody's updates without having to add him as your friend.
India is only side in the competition who is reaching 300-350 comfortably. Dhoni just needs to improve playing X1 selection to rectify minor issues in bowling department. 2nd thing is don't change batting order.
No team wants to face India in QF. Srilanka, NZ and Pak are fighting hard for 2nd spot.
Re: India.....
by Abhijit on Mar 18, 2011 11:51 AM
Reachin 300-350 comfortably? Against Ireland & Holland what is our score? Against SA what is our score?
Re: Re: India.....
by Anurag Rathore on Mar 18, 2011 12:02 PM
Against Ireland and Holland we went for chase. Against SA at one stage we were supposed to reach above 350. Full credit goes to D.Steyn to stop India below 300. The other thing 296 was very good total by seeing the nature of wicket.
Re: Re: Re: India.....
by Abhijit on Mar 18, 2011 12:45 PM
What if we chase like that? We are comfortably scoring 300-350 and comfortably allowing others to chase it. There is no excuse for that folding below 300. It just mean we are so poor and if we goes on to reach final, it will be miracle and only if Yuvraj, Yusuf, Sehwag, Tendulkar, Zaheer performs well. How do you come to that conclusion 'No teams want to face India'? All are equal and all in our group are chokers
Re: India.....
by RSS on Mar 18, 2011 11:31 AM
Congratulations Dr. Anuraaggg, Your England won yesterday - Now it is full of problems for India if Bangla beat SA.
Re: Re: India.....
by Anurag Rathore on Mar 18, 2011 11:34 AM
If India can't beat Westindies then they don't deserve to be in QF. 2nd the problem is for Westindies, Bangladesh and England rather than India. If Bangladesh upset SA then WI have to beat India with more than 170 runs margin to knockout India.
Re: hey u gorillas
by bhanu prakash on Mar 18, 2011 11:25 AM
Dont be over-confident...gorilla on right with bat in hand can shatter million dreams and u know it from your heart
kamran khan great fast bowler having capacity for 150,160 km speed not giving chance for india team kamran improving india team bowling capacity combination with zaheer,munaf india team not understanding for minority capacity india team bowling strong for following: zaheer kamran munaf irfan yousuf shadab
Re: kamran khan great fast bowler
by Ravi on Mar 18, 2011 11:29 AM
Who is kamran and who is shadab. And since when Yousuf become a good bowler. he is a batsman who can bowl a bit. May be you could have included your own name also in the team.
Gary Kirsten is the worst coach. When team was winning everybody saying that Gary was an excellant coach. Now India is loosing, no body is blaming Gary. They are blaming Dhoni. Even the Chief Selector. Dont they know that these things should not come into media. Gary did nothing. In 3 years India's fielding has gone pathetic. Running between the wickets-pethatic. What he did? nothing. India's problems were same when he came. He did nothing to improve these problems
Re: Re: Gary Kirsten
by sunil vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 12:37 PM
here comes pseudo with his usual spits. he does not have a spittoon available when he feels like spitting so he uses the rediff forum instead ...:)
Re: Gary Kirsten
by sunil vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 12:22 PM
vikas banga, dont go overboard with your criticism of gary kirsten. he has done very well. his record as a coach speaks for itself. during his tenure we became no. 1 in all formats. he is also human. and he also has drawbacks as everybody else (like sachin or dhoni or anybody else) or commits mistakes as everybody else (like sachin or dhoni or anybody else). one can do only so much. nobody can do everything. everybody will be successful at some things and not-so-successful at others.
the last decade we used 3 foreign coaches (Wright, Chappell and Kirsten) and we have done very well under all. there was a lot of noise that local coaches and great players/legends were overlooked, that they can do as well as any foreign coach. but our board was proved correct and with foreign coaches we went from strength to strength. they were all good in their own way and made india stronger in some ways. just compare the no. of tests (matches and series) and odis we won from 2000 to 2010 to the no. of tests and odis that we won in the previous 10 years (1990 to 2000). the difference is clear. the foreign coaches have proved to be good and given a good account of themselves.
Re: Re: Gary Kirsten
by sunil vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 12:28 PM
john wright has mentioned in his book indian summers that there was a lot of regionalism in the team and players from different states were not neccessarily very friendly with each other and had their own groups. he decided to make them play as indians and not from particular states. He believed that he succeeded in that aim. He was not a very big player in his days. He was mild mannered and adjusted very well to the players. That he was not a very great player might have been partly the reason that he did not confront with the players in the Indian team who were big. But he made the team gel together as a team and as Indians. He felt that there was too much regionalism in the Indian selection and quota system. He tried his best to remove it. He tried his best that coach and captain also has a say in the selection of the team which did not happen many times before.
Re: Re: Re: Gary Kirsten
by sunil vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 12:33 PM
Chappell was a great player and naturally strong personality, abrasive, aggressive and used to having his own way and not afraid to confront the big names of Indian cricket. He had no reason to fear ganguly, sachin, dravid etc. as he was a great player himself. That is why the seniors probably did not like him and his high handedness too much. But to accuse him of intentionally trying to destroy the Indian team is too much to digest. Coaches don’t destroy their teams. They like to make them stronger. He sincerely believed in whatever steps he took. He made sachin bat at no. 4, asked ganguly to be removed from captaincy, tried pinch hitters and new experiments. But whatever he did, he did because he sincerely believed in them. In hindsight some of his decisions may look wrong but we cannot accuse of him of doing that on purpose. Ganguly was having problems with his attitude and form and I sincerely believe the break did him good and he came back stronger than before. Whatever damage to the Indian team he made according to some people it is very true that it is because of him that the new generation came faster on the international scene. His preference for new generation players has paid off rich dividends. He was the one who had great faith in raina, dhoni, irfan pathan etc. some people feel that he destroyed irfan pathan. They forget that it was because of greg that pathan’s various skill and all rounder qualities came out in the open in the fi
Re: Re: Re: Re: Gary Kirsten
by sunil vaidya on Mar 18, 2011 12:35 PM
They forget that it was because of greg that pathan’s various skill and all rounder qualities came out in the open in the first place. He was very big fan of raina and raina has proved himself very well in all formats. More has revealed in a interview that greg was very sure that dhoni would be captain within 6 months. He had a great eye for talent and picked the best of the new generation in the Indian team. People said we were not very good chasers but under greg chappell we won a record 17 odis on the trot while chasing. And I think our team consisted of many newcomers like pathan, dhoni, raina etc. Kirsten is probably a combination of both these personalities. Perhaps he was not the biggest name in SA cricket but neither was he ordinary player. He does not get aggressive and clash with the big names of Indian cricket but neither he is mild or submissive. He is also very hardworking as sachin himself has revealed that gary works tirelessly and himself bowls thousand of deliveries in the nets.
