Would love to see these fans here after Dravid once again miserably flops in a tough series just like he has been since Mid 2006. This isn't a second grade team he's playing against in Indian conditions. We all remember how well he did in the recent tour to South Africa where India needed his experiance, and he returned the favor with a series average of 20. Tour to Lanka, he flopped .... Test series against Australia, he flopped, Tour to South Africa, he flopped. Tougher conditions, better attacks and India is better off playing with 10 players rather than carrying a passenger in Dravid. Now of cource he had been making merry against second grade attacks lately like the series against New Zealand in India or the recent series against the modern day minnow West Indies. That's how he has been selfishly sticking with the team since the last 5 years depriving India of a better batsman, by flopping miserably against all others bar below par attacks mostly at home.
Re: Re: Huh!
by PachaiKulanthai VazhaiPazhathirkaga on Jul 20, 2011 02:48 PM
you both are right. if there was a better batsman in place of dravid (pujara, yuvaraj or raina) we could have definitely won that series
especially his strike is miserable. that's why india is not able to win more test matches
no doubt, the test starting tommorow at lords will be an iconic one simply because 2000nd test in the games history 100th test between india and england rivalry tendulkar need 1 more to reach 100 - 100's. only need 1 century among sachin,dravid and laxman to reach aggregate 100 test centuries between them. england's mission to reach ICC top rank starts here and more so playing at lords.
added to these there are battles with in battle. 1. offspin battle --- swann vs harbhajan 2. swing battle -----zaheer vs anderson 3. pace and bounce --ishant vs tremlet and finally the framed indian batting line up of gambhir , dravid, tendulkar, laxman vs inform cook, strauss, trott and bell.
Dravid has failed in all 6 innings. That was toughest tour for India. Dont consider the weak WI and his heroics. What can u say about him? Its high time he should retire.
Re: Indias tour of South Africa...Dravid
by Jessamma thomas on Jul 20, 2011 02:04 PM
Either get ur stats right, or then shut up don't talk about something u don't know. If u can do a proper analysis, just chk the number of times he has saved the country when we were losing, or the number of times he has helped us win from impossible situations..chk then comment $$###.
Re: Re: Indias tour of South Africa...Dravid
by nice guy on Jul 20, 2011 02:10 PM
jessamma just read my post clearly and then come here. I spoke about Ind-SA series only. Dont just comment here without reading..understand..now get lost u moron.
Re: Re: Re: Indias tour of South Africa...Dravid
by sunil k on Jul 20, 2011 04:04 PM
pls put this fellow in a mental hospital......suffering frm "dravid bug".....poor chap
Re: Re: Re: Indias tour of South Africa...Dravid
by Venugopalan on Jul 20, 2011 02:24 PM
can you name one batsman in the world who played well in all innings, every one fails in one or two series. the batsmen who fails repeatedly is shown the door. Dravid has also gone through lean patches, but he still remains a strong wall for India, never to be forgotten mr nice guy..he will give his best always and is mr dependable.
Re: Indias tour of South Africa...Dravid
by sunil k on Jul 20, 2011 04:07 PM
pls put this fellow in a mental hospital......suffering frm "dravid bug".....poor chap
Re: Re: Indias tour of South Africa...Dravid
by Asim Mehtani on Jul 20, 2011 03:43 PM
Bad times comes for everyone. So what. Even Sachin had to pass through rough times, and face lot of criticism from media.
Re: Indias tour of South Africa...Dravid
by Jag on Jul 20, 2011 07:32 PM
Don't count the performance based on one series/few matches. Look for 15 years. You are failed one in your life maan; too sad.
Way back two young men were blooded on a seaming wicket in moist English conditions by India hoping that atleast one of the two will come good.
Destiny has given India more than she asked for; it gave two valuable twins.
Sourav Ganguly (most and as talented young cricketer as Sachin and should have debuted more or less along with himbut for regional politics) debuting in a do or die match in the most hostile conditions and Rahul Dravid who performed wonderfully well in Indias domestic cricket.
Sourav came on to bat first after the fall of a couple of wickets and later Dravid joined him.
The way Sourav played on that Lords wicket in those moist conditions, was like a symphony orchestra reaching its crescendo in a Vienna concert. The God of off-side cricket had just born. And he scored a century of Debut in Lords under adverse conditions and went on to become the captain who changed Indian cricket forever.
Then the other lad, often played a second fiddle sort of thing but a vital one always. Perhaps Rahuls destiny was decided at that point itself. He got out in 90s just a few runs short of a memorable hundred at the Mecca of cricket on debut. That was foreboding enough. In the coming years he lost limelight to others like Laxman when he got his 281 etc. Rahul didnt excel in captaincy unlike Sourav.
But Rahuls contribution to Indian cricket was best mentioned by Imran Khan on a WC match where Sachin stole lime
I would suggest that we open with Dravid in this series in the absence of Sehwag. Remember he has opened for India before and along with Sehwag almost broke the longstanding world record in Pakistan in 2006-07. And with alternatives like Mukund, there is high probability that he will have to take guard within first 30 mins anyway. so why not open with him and accomodate both Raina and Yuvraj in the middle order?
Re: Dravid as opener
by sunil k on Jul 20, 2011 04:25 PM
no....it's a tough ask....opening is not evryone's cup of tea.....specialised position in cricket.....every batsmen hate to be an opener on english pitch cinditions....plenty of swing....since being the most reliable batsman on this tour he should be properly utilised at no. 3 all important position......let Mr. tendulkar the so called battting god who has opened for more than 400 1 dayers should come and open for team india and contribute to teams success.....let him do this purely on team needs demand and play for team's interests rather than his own batting position......can he do this..??? why allways it's dravid he should handle all important delicate batting positions for team india..??? y not tendulkar step in and handle this delicate batting position..??
Re: Dravid as opener
by Kabeer on Jul 20, 2011 02:09 PM
If Mandira Bedi can resort to commentary there is nothing wrong with Satarupa Sen giving these kinds of advice.
Opening slot and one-down are as different as chalk is from cheese.
It is not about how soon the one-down or for that matter two-down batsman come into bat.
It is about the mental make-up, temperament, and the role he is supposed to play.
Openers job is primarily to leave all those balls outside the off-stump (leaving is not easy as one likes to believe sitting in couches and sipping hot coffees)and to see the shine off the new ball and leave the off-shine ball to the middle order batsman.
Even if one-down batsman comes to the crease on the second ball of the innings, he plays and is expected to play not like an opener but like a one-down batsman. Ditto with two-down. Even if the two-down comes to the crease on the third ball of the innings, he is supposed to play either like an opener or one-down.
The reason is batsmen in these slots are trained in a different way. When you go to the middle if you try to change your make-up you end up neither here nor there.
Put simply, the difference is like training Army and Police. Though both carry fire arms and fire, a soldier is trained to kill and a policeman is trained to maintain law and order.
A police man is trained to shoot below abdomen and it requires a different skill than an Army man who is trained to kill.
If soldier tries to imitate a policeman and try shooting below he will end up dead.
