Dhoni also surrendered in 2 20-20 world cup with his jackel team in quarter final(2009 and 2010).I think he must resigned from captaincy of team india.
Re: TPT
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:47 PM
Maybe your right,but is it relevent to the topic being discussed here,which is loser Aussies and their club side?
Re: TPT
by TapeshParimalTripathi on Jan 11, 2011 01:47 PM
actually ricky ponting is the best captain of history but some poor indians can not digest it as he thrashed this team in 2003 wc final
Re: Re: TPT
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:49 PM
Best captain in history?Well his own press and selectors,not to mention team mates bother current and former, dont agree with that assessment.It's not only the 'poor indians' but also your GODs,the Aussies who think Ricky is crap.Any comments?
is the only captain of australia who destroyed team india or dhoni and his jackel party to made 213 runs in mohali.Only VVS laxman and ishant helped to survive this test match otherwise fake god sachin ramesh tendulkar take retirement after this test defeat.SO Team india poor supporters prey for god india out before semis otherwise 2003 world cup final again happened.
Re: sir ricky ponting
by suppandi on Jan 11, 2011 01:43 PM
thats history and seeing current picky form, it would surely take an year or so to regain the lost form
Re: Re: sir ricky ponting
by TapeshParimalTripathi on Jan 11, 2011 01:44 PM
history can be made in any series but how poor is indian team who have player like sachin
Re: sir ricky ponting
by DHEERAJCMEHRA on Jan 11, 2011 01:49 PM
IF SACHIN PLAYS FOR HIMSELF & MONEY WHY WERE SO MANY SWEEPERS INCLUDING AUSSIES,S.AFRICANS ETC. CAME UNDER HAMMER FOR IPL 4
Re: sir ricky ponting
by arun kumar on Jan 11, 2011 03:29 PM
Mr. Partik U know basic of crct??..@ mohali sachin hit a centry in first inning... u know about that??? and bcs of sachin whole india watching crkict... even you toooooo
Sorry ricky ponting lost ashes in 2005,2009 and this year but he is only captain who whitewashed team england in 2006 by 5-0.So dont compare sir ricky ponting captaincy as defeat of marathas.They lost series 3-1 not 5-0 and one match draw through this poor team of australia where bret lee,bollinger,hauritz not played.
Re: pravin s
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:41 PM
LOL...I'm sure Lee,Bollinger and Hauritz would have turned the Ashes series upside down...you need help,dude.
Re: Re: pravin s
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:43 PM
Tripathi...while your calling others jokers and losers,I guess it's you who need your knowledge updated.Can you provide further details of the Ashes series which Steve Waugh lost?I thought he never lost an Ashes series and the last Aussie to lose an Ashes series before loser Ponting was Allan Border in 1987.
The warriors like sadashiv,vishvasrao,mahandji and others did not forcasted how did ahmed shah managed good lobby of nawab of avadh and muslim kings who did not want hindu padshahi in india give support to ahmed shah abdali in this war.Jat Rajput and sikhs did not give support in this war.So unite abdali give huge defeat to marathas.One more thing there is huge shortage of food in maratha side but abdali helped by all northern muslim kings.That is why uniy is strength and divide is decline.
Re: Aus is no 1 in ODI
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:32 PM
YeS,they sure 'no' how to retain its against a 'poor' team that recently thrashed them.LOL!!
The Third Battle of Panipat took place on 14 January 1761, at Panipat (Haryana State, India), about 60 miles (95.5 km) north of Delhi. The battle pitted the French-supplied[1] artillery and cavalry of the Marathas against the heavy cavalry and mounted artillery(zamburak and jizail) of the Afghans led by Ahmad Shah Durrani, an ethnic Pashtun, also known as Ahmad Shah Abdali. The battle is considered one of the largest battles fought in the 18th century.[2]
The decline of the Mughal Empire had led to territorial gains for the Maratha Confederacy. Ahmad Shah Abdali, amongst others, was unwilling to allow the Marathas' gains to go unchecked. In 1759, he raised an army from the Pashtun tribes and made several gains against the smaller garrisons. The Marathas, under the command of Sadashivrao Bhau, responded by gathering an army of between 70,000-100,000[3] people with which they ransacked the Mughal capital of Delhi. There followed a series of skirmishes along the banks of the river Yamuna at Karnal and Kunjpura which eventually turned into a two-month-long siege led by Abdali against the Marathas.
The specific site of the battle itself is disputed by historians but most consider it to have occurred somewhere near modern day Kaalaa Aamb and Sanauli Road. The battle lasted for several days and involved over 125,000 men. Protracted skirmishes occurred, with losses and gains on both sides. The forces led by Ahmad Shah Durrani came out victorious after destroying several Marat
Re: Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of PUNE lost sud
by pravin sarode on Jan 11, 2011 01:38 PM
The body of Vishwasrao and Bhau were recovered by the Afghans and under Ahmad Shah's personal direction were cremated according to Hindu custom. Bhau's wife Parvatibai was saved by Holkar as per the directions of Bhau and eventually they returned to Pune.
Peshwa Balaji Baji Rao, uninformed about the state of his army, was crossing the Narmada with reinforcements when a tired Charkara arrived with a cryptic message "Two pearls have been dissolved, 27 gold coins have been lost and of the silver and copper the total cannot be cast up". The Peshwa never recovered from the shock of the total debacle at Panipat. He returned to Pune and died a broken man in a temple on Paravati Hill.[4]
Jankoji Scindia was taken prisoner and executed at the instigation of Najib. Ibrahim Khan Gardi was tortured and executed at the hands of enraged Afghan soldiers.[19] The Marathas never fully recovered from the loss at Panipat, however they remained the predominant military power in India and managed to retake Delhi 10 years later. However, their claim over all of India ended with the three Anglo-Maratha Wars, almost 50 years after Panipat.[20]
The Jats under Suraj Mal benefited significantly from not participating in the battle of Panipat. They provided considerable assistance to the Maratha soldiers and civilians who escaped the fighting. Suraj Mal himself was killed in battle against Najib-ud-Daula in 1763.[21][22] Ahmad Shah's victory left him, in the short t
Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of PUNE lost suddely
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:20 PM
You shouldn't post on Rediff after smoking ganja.
Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of PUNE lost suddely
by pravin sarode on Jan 11, 2011 01:20 PM
like battle of panipat the AustraliaAs lost every test series due to IPL1, IPL2 & IPL3 money matters when Shane Watson man of series of IPL1 failed do his best in Test matches ASHES?
Re: Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of PUNE lost sud
by pravin sarode on Jan 11, 2011 01:21 PM
The Mughal Empire had been in decline since the death of the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb, in 1707. The decline was accelerated by the invasion of India by Nadir Shah in 1739. Continued rebellions by the Marathas in the south, and the de-facto separation of a number of states (including Hyderabad and Bengal), weakened the state further. Within a few years of Aurangzeb's death, the Marathas had reversed all his territorial gains in the Deccan, and had conquered almost all Mughal territory in central and north India. Mughals had thus become just the titular heads of Delhi. In 1761, they wanted to expand further north and north west, where their path crossed Ahmad Shah Abdali — the ruler of Afghanistan, who had been making raids into Punjab and had appointed his son as its governor.
Main article: Maratha Empire The Marathas had gained control of a considerable part of India in the intervening period (1707–1757). In 1758, they occupied Delhi, captured Lahore and drove out Timur Shah Durrani,[4] the son and viceroy of the Afghan ruler, Ahmad Shah Abdali. This was the high-water mark of the Maratha expansion, where the boundaries of their empire extended in the north to the Indus and the Himalayas, and in the south nearly to the extremity of the peninsula. This territory was ruled through the Peshwa, who talked of placing his son Vishwasrao on the Mughal throne.[5] However Delhi still remained under the nominal control of Mughals, key Muslim intellectua
Re: Re: Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of PUNE lost
by pravin sarode on Jan 11, 2011 01:33 PM
This in spite of the Marathas time and again helping and showing sympathy towards Shuja-ud-daula. The Nawab’s mother was of the opinion that he should join the Marathas. The Marathas had helped Safdarjung (father of Shuja) in defeating Rohillas in Farrukhabad. However, Shuja was very much ill-treated in the Abdali camp. Abdali was a Sunni Muslim and Shuja was a Shia Muslim.[8]
The Marathas under Sadashivrao Bhau (referred to as the Bhau or Bhao in sources) responded to the news of the Afghans' return to North India by raising a big army, and they marched North. Bhau's force was bolstered by some Maratha forces under Holkar, Scindia, Gaikwad and Govind Pant Bundela. Suraj Mal of Bharatpur also had joined Bhausaheb but then left midway. This combined army of over 100,000 regular troops captured the Mughal capital, Delhi, from an Afghan garrison in December 1759.[9] As Delhi was reduced to ashes due to many invasions and there being acute shortage of supplies in the Maratha camp, Bhau ordered the sacking of the already depopulated city.[10] He is said to have planned to place his nephew and the Peshwa's son, Vishwasrao, on the Mughal throne. The Jats did not support the Marathas. Their withdrawal from the ensuing battle was to play a crucial role in its result. The Sikhs, did not support either side and decided to sitback and see what would happen. The exception was Ala Singh of Patiala, who sided with the afghans[dubious – discuss] and was actu
Re: Re: Re: Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of PUNE
by pravin sarode on Jan 11, 2011 01:35 PM
Early phases Before dawn, on 14 January 1761, the Maratha troops broke their fast with the last remaining grain in camp, and prepared for combat; coming from their lines with turbans disheveled and turmeric-smeared faces. The Maratha forces emerged from the trenches, pushing the artillery into position on their prearranged lines, some 2 km from the Afghans. Seeing that the battle was on, Ahmad Shah positioned his 60 smooth-bore cannon and opened fire. However, because of the short range of the Afghan weapons and the static nature of the Maratha artillery, the Afghan cannons proved ineffectual.
The initial attack was led by the Maratha left flank under Ibrahim Khan, who in his eagerness to prove his worth; advanced his infantry in formation against the Rohillas and Shah Pasand Khan. The first salvos from the Maratha artillery went over the Afghans' heads and inflicted very little damage. Nevertheless, the first Afghan attack was broken by Maratha bowmen and pikemen, along with some famed Gardi musketeers stationed close to the artillery positions. The second and subsequent salvos were fired at point blank range into the Afghan ranks. The resulting carnage sent the Rohillas reeling back to their lines, leaving the battlefield virtually in the hands of Ibrahim for the next three hours during which the 8,000 Gardi musketeers had killed about 12,000 Rohillas.[8]
In the second phase, Bhau himself led the charge against the left of center Afghan forces, under the Afghan Vizi
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of P
by pravin sarode on Jan 11, 2011 01:36 PM
Outflanked Sadashivrao Bhau, seeing his forward lines dwindling and civilians behind, had not kept any reserves and upon seeing Vishwasrao disappear amongst the fighting felt he had no choice but to come down from his elephant and lead the battle at the head of the troops.[4] Some Maratha soldiers, seeing that their general had disappeared from his elephant, panicked and began to flee. Vishwasrao had already fallen to a shot in the head. Bhau and his loyal bodyguards fought to the end, the Maratha leader having three horses shot out from under him. At this stage Holkar realising the battle was lost broke from the Maratha left flank and retreated.[4]
Abdali had given a part of his army the task to surround and kill the Gardis under Ibrahim Gardi, who were at the leftmost part of the Maratha army. Bhausaheb had ordered Vitthal Vinchurkar (with 1500 cavalry) and Damaji Gaikwad (with 2500 cavalry) to protect the Gardi’s. But seeing the Gardi’s fight, they lost their patience, became over enthusiastic and decided to fight the Rohillas themselves. Thus, they broke the round (circle) i.e. they didn’t follow the idea of round battle and went all out on the Rohillas and the Rohillas then started accurately shooting the rifleless Maratha cavalry which was equipped with swords. This gave opportunity to the Rohillas to encircle the Gardis and outflank the Maratha centre while, Shah Wali pressed on attacking the front. Thus, the Gardis were le
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of P
by pravin sarode on Jan 11, 2011 01:36 PM
Final phase In the final phase the Marathas, under Scindia, attacked Najib. However, Najib successfully fought a defensive action keeping Scindia's forces at bay. By this stage at noon it looked as though Bhau would clinch victory for the Marathas once again. The Afghan left flank still held its own under the two; but the centre was cut in two, and the right was almost destroyed. Ahmad Shah had watched the fortunes of the battle from his tent, guarded by the still unbroken forces on his left.
Ahmad Shah sent his body guards to call up his reserves of 15,000 troops from his camp and arranged it as a column in front of his cavalry of musketeers (Qizilbash) and 2,000 swivel mounted shaturnals or cannons on the back of camels.[15] The shaturnals, because of their positioning on camels, could fire an extensive salvo over the heads of their own infantry and at the Maratha cavalry. The Maratha cavalry were unable to withstand the muskets and camel-mounted swivel cannons of the Afghans. They could be fired without the rider having to dismount and were especially effective against fast moving cavalry. He therefore sent 500 of his own body-guards with orders to raise all able-bodied men out of camp, and send them to the front at any cost. He sent 1,500 more, to encounter those who were fleeing, and slay without pity anyone who would not return to the fight. These extra troops, along with 4,000 of his reserve troops, went to support the broken ranks of the Rohillas on the right. Th
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 14-1-1761 a battle almost won by Peshwas of P
by pravin sarode on Jan 11, 2011 01:37 PM
Rout The Afghans pursued the fleeing Maratha army and civilians, while the Maratha front lines remained largely intact, with some of their artillery units fighting till sunset. Choosing not to launch a night attack, many escaped that night. Bhau's wife Parvatibai, who was assisting in the administration of the Maratha camp escaped to Pune with her bodyguards.
[edit] Reasons for the outcome Peshwas decision of appointing Sadashivrao Bhau as the Supreme Commander instead of appointing Malharrao Holkar or Raghunathrao proved to be an unfortunate choice as Sadashivrao was totally ignorant of the Political and Military situation of North India. [16]
The main reason for the failure of Marathas was that they went to war without good allies. Though their infantry was based on European style contingent and had some of the best French made guns of the times, their artillery was static and lacked mobility against the fast moving Afghan forces.[17]
The Marathas had interfered in the internal affairs of the Rajputana states (present day Rajasthan) and levied heavy taxes and huge fines on them. They had also made huge territorial and monetary claims upon Awadh. Their raids in the Sikh territory had resulted in the loss of trust of Sikh chiefs like Ala Singh and the Jat chiefs. They had, therefore, to fight their enemies alone.
Moreover, the senior Maratha chiefs constantly bickered with one another. Each one of them had ambitions of carving out their independent states and h
you are saying that ricky should retire now. Check ur updates buddy. See Steve waugh was thrown out from the ausis team and captaincy after his 1st ashes defeat but ricky is still captain of ausis even he has lost 3 ashes
Re: Against Psuedos
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:19 PM
Thanks for admitting that he is hanging on to captaincy for reasons other than performance.Everytime you post,you only just prove my points.Plug on!!
Re: Re: Re: Against Psuedos
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:24 PM
No,your posts are not irritating.They are amusing and I am having a hearty laugh.I fully encourage morons to post on Rediff as they lighten the public's mood.Please plug on.
Re: Re: Re: Against Psuedos
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:31 PM
And once again,thanks for admitting to Pontings poor performances!LOL!!You're arguing against yourself!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Against Psuedos
by TapeshParimalTripathi on Jan 11, 2011 01:32 PM
can u deny that steve waugh was kicked out from aus side after ashes defeat against england and ricky still captain after loosing 3 ashes ???
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Against Psuedos
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:39 PM
Also,you need to learn your cricket better...Steve Waugh never lost an Ashes series.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Against Psuedos
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:37 PM
No,I cant deny that and am not trying to deny that either!All I am saying is that Ricky's performance is lousy.I said that once,and after that you have made multiple posts proving the same point.As I said,I am grateful to you for arguing my point.
Lara Bingle flushed 200000 australian dollars engagement ring in wc has started frustration of micheal clark so English team must thank Lara Bingle for destroying australian forms
Re: Lara Bingle is key wooman behind AustraliA PANIPAT
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:13 PM
Bingle-Clarke are like Posh-Becks...all hype and no substance.
Re: Re: Lara Bingle is key wooman behind AustraliA PANIPAT
by Against Psuedos on Jan 11, 2011 01:29 PM
Correction...Becks is still a damn good football player unlike Clarke who's a loser.
