I don't wish to complicate by stating too many already known facts about Indian bowling and fielding. However, a simple common sense way of analyzing India's FLAW as a one day team can be only attributed to 1 major department - fast bowling.
We have always struggled to find lethal pace bowlers in our god forsaken country. Most of the guys are average built and VEGETARIANS which is totally useless to build vital proteins and stamina. Then we also have the 'Indian muslims' who are not as potent as their Pakistani counterparts - Irfan Pathan (120 km/h), Zaheer Khan (mid 130 ks). Seriously we DO have a problem in India.
Look at the Pakistani team. They could defend 270 odd against a strong Sri Lankan batting lineup on a very good batting pitch. Look at South Africa and Australia. WOW ! India look OUTSIDERS to me as far as winning the world cup. Unless we bring some dude who can bowl 145-150 km/h (hint: Umesh Yadav) and pick up early wickets, I don't see India going all the way.
Hi mates..Dhoni's words before the wold cup was sheer complacency and Indian cricket team is in the wrong hands right not...a "contented" captain who just doesn't feel that world cup is a BIG TOURNAMENT and complaining about fatigue before the world cup, concerned about next IPL season...needs to look seriously about his career as a cricketer because if world cup can't motivate you then what else can?
Re: Dhoni's can't win the cup for India
by Choos Lee on Feb 28, 2011 03:22 PM
Probably being sacked from captaincy and dropped from altogether might motivate him. I think Gambhir make a much better captain..
Re: Re: Dhoni's can't win the cup for India
by Ian Chappell on Feb 28, 2011 03:49 PM
may be this is the only remedy left for him. I think this remedy will work for him in the same way as it worked with yuvi and sehwag.
Hi mates..Dhoni's words before the wold cup was sheer complacency and Indian cricket team is in the wrong hands right not...a "contented" captain who just doesn't feel that world cup is a BIG TOURNAMENT and complaining about fatigue before the world cup, concerned about next IPL season...needs to look seriously about his career as a cricketer because if world cup can't motivate you then what else can?
1) Did not send in Pathan (or Kohli at least) at 2 down when spinners were operating. Instead he decided to help himslef and his Dost Yuvraj to get some runs...
Re: Atrocious captaincy!
by Choos Lee on Feb 28, 2011 01:50 PM
Agreed. Also, I think they missed that boat with the selection of our world cup bowling attack. Why keep unsuccessfully re selecting trash, when you have promising bowlers like Avishkar salvi, Abhimanyu Mithun, even Irfan Pathan, deserves a comeback.. With the current attack I dont see us going too far.
Re: Re: Re: Atrocious captaincy!
by Choos Lee on Feb 28, 2011 02:03 PM
Sameer.. Pace is not everything. Shaun Pollock wasnt too quick either. Granted we could all dream of having 4 Indian fast bowlers running and bowling at 150kph and batsmen trembling at their sight. What you have mentioned is just their speed or the lack of it. What you dont seem to be aware of... is their recent Ranji performances. I dont blame you for not watching or keeping track of Ranji matches. However what is sad, is that the selectors dont seem to be doing it either.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Atrocious captaincy!
by Sameer on Feb 28, 2011 03:41 PM
Shaun Pollock didn't have the pace of Allan donald. Yet he was a 135 to 140 kmph bowler for most part of his career. he was 140 when he started. Mithun is 125 to 130 when he has started, and please he is no where in the class of line and length when compared to shaun / mcgrath.
Don't give me this stupid excuse of groom, because true winners don't need to be groomed. Was shaun / mcgrath groomed ? This is why we have sub standard bowlers, because people like you accept substandard stuff
Re: Re: Re: Re: Atrocious captaincy!
by Sameer on Feb 28, 2011 03:52 PM
Choos Lee
I know of their ranji Exploits and please this is not recent. They have had excellent figures for almost 2 seasons if not more.
How come they flopped so miserably in the international scene ? It was pathetic to see them being tonked left and right.
About their performance in domestic seasons . Please read what the Delhi opener Akash chopra had to say. He clearly mentions that the reason why some of the bowlers ( pace) are showing impressive figures is because of the wickets being tuned for pacers alone. I read this interview excerpt few months ago and i was surprised to know about that as well.
Then looking at Mithun and Vinay bowl, it all made sense. Seriously, they are total Zero's
You can make out when you see a world class bowler bowl the first time. I saw Sir Agarkar bowl wides and no balls in his first ODI against Aus back in 1998, but knew that he was world class material.
he was a world class material until his body gave away, that is a different discussion. But his initial years, he was awesome. If you belong in the international screen, you will show the stuff in the first game itself.
Below mentioned is enough to prove the winning percentage of India when Sachin scores century.. Cricket is a team game however he has done it single handedly many a times..If rest 10 people cannot perfom then you cannot blame the master.
In Tests( LAST 02 CENTUTIES NOT ADDED)
No. of Centuries = 49 Centuries in Games India won = 22 Centuries in Games India lost = 8 Centuries in Games India Draw = 19
In One Day Cricket(LAST CENTURY NOT ADDED)
No, of Centuries = 46 Centuries in Games India won = 33 Centuries in Games India lost = 12 No result Games =
Luckily India scored 300 runs in previous matches...we escaped both the occasions because of this advantage. If Indian top order fails........and making only 200 runs...Indian bowlers can't stop even Netherlands. Current Indian bowling department(both pace & spin) showing pathetic performance. This is not enough for a big event like this. Only Sachin & Zaheer giving some hope to 100 crore people. Dhoni lost his supremacy in captaincy. He is better for Jharkhand politics. Irfan Pathan & Manesh pandey was required in this squad. I wish Sachin all the best.
Re: If Indian top order fails........
by Choos Lee on Feb 28, 2011 01:53 PM
Agree with you mate. This world cup is already over, unless we can manage to injure all our bowlers other than Zaheer Khan, and get Internation quality replacements for them. After this world cup, they should drop all these under performing bolwers, and then scour the country for some genuinely good bowlers. I am sure a country of 100 crore people have 4-5 good bowlers, if only these selectors looked hard enough
hey guys its all happening bcoz we indians dont follow the basics, such as fielding is never taken seriously neither at grass root level nor at international level( forget exceptions) for example: 1. dhony himself never collects the throw behind the stumps which is primary requirements for keeper. 2.we dont play as teem bcoz even player of tendulkars ability slows down when he reaches close to his century( this u dont see anywhere else). 3.the way munaf batted clearly shows his job is only to bowl n rest he dont bother. 4. middle overs scoring rate was poor as uvraj n tendulkar didnt used its ability to score singles n list will continue.............. what is required is action from the players n if they dont perform then non performer should be replaced by new ones whether we win or loose. n what we allways call winning combination is not correct n if there is non performer then he should be replaced.
n most important for me is winning the world cup whether anyone is there or not there in the teem. bcoz there is no indidvidual in teem game n we remember this first
hey guys its all happening bcoz we indians dont follow the basics, such as fielding is never taken seriously neither at grass root level nor at international level( forget exceptions) for example: 1. dhony himself never collects the throw behind the stumps which is primary requirements for keeper. 2.we dont play as teem bcoz even player of tendulkars ability slows down when he reaches close to his century( this u dont see anywhere else). 3.the way munaf batted clearly shows his job is only to bowl n rest he dont bother. 4. middle overs scoring rate was poor as uvraj n tendulkar didnt used its ability to score singles n list will continue.............. what is required is action from the players n if they dont perform then non performer should be replaced by new ones whether we win or loose. n what we allways call winning combination is not correct n if there is non performer then he should be replaced.
n most important for me is winning the world cup whether anyone is there or not there in the teem. bcoz there is no indidvidual in teem game n we remember this first
It is very hard to digest why Dhoni is still preferring Chawla over Ashwin??? Chawla's inexperience exposed in 49th over. Soulless Munaf's body language is horrible, he even can't laugh properly....
