Re: VAH RE VAH
by Venugopalan on Dec 03, 2011 11:36 AM
you mr bought up affairs, pakistan is begging before bcci. go and watch pak - bangla match which is totally fixed..icc HAS plans to ban pakkkistan from playing cricket...now go and cry..
Re: Re: Re: Cannot call this win comfortable by any means.
munaf cannot even bend to stop ball. He give more runs with his lousy fielding, he actually has fitness problem that he cannot hide. secondly,munaf should learn pace instead of fast spin.
and praveen needs to retrain himself so he is good again and is not a bunny of batsmen like peitersen who wait for praveen to play so they can hit. Same happened with Munaf in England.
worse, when entire team sat inside to have D/L in their favor during rain, munaf sat outside so they can play again and match goes in England favour/ Yusuf did something on similar lines in West-indies.
Re: Nikhil shah
by D S on Dec 03, 2011 06:58 AM
continued ..
selectors in deadlock again. they need to be ready for australia. it is time to act selectors.bowling attack exposeed, should not expose ashwin/etc too much, get rahul into variation and rotation. Aaron needs rotation as well. Same with parthiv and gambhir, where is Rahane and saha?
Re: Re: Nikhil shah
by Happy Friday on Dec 03, 2011 07:17 AM
Agree with you! Ashwin is good but cannot expose him and should bring Rahul sharma for rotation within a test. And happy to know people are not thinking of bhajji as his period is gone and its time for him to njoy what he earned and also he can still play IPL
Re: Nikhil shah
by Nikhil Shah on Dec 04, 2011 05:38 AM
We have seen over the years that ODI bowling is difficult for new comers since they want to bowl quick. The problem with bowling quick on Indian conditions is the eco rate of bowlers like Ishant and Sreesanth are about 5.72 and 6.01 respectively.
Which makes Munaf and Zaheer in contention always inspite of fitness problems.
With Praveen kumar Injured again the ODI attack is short of bowlers who can bowl like Zaheer or Munaf.
Vinay Kumar is the most impressive overall with pace around 80-85mph and swing for one dayers. The newcomers Umesh and Aaron are quicker but probably have eco rates of about 5.5 in one dayers.
Varun was trained at the MRF and is aware of the ODI needs in addition to pace. Bowling the yorkers, slower ones, bouncers, length ball and reverse swing takes time.
Before we sort all that out we need the services of Zaheer, Nehra and Munaf for one dayers.
With Zaheer having a few years left in him, Munaf and Praveen are the only two we have in the long term to play in the 1-dayers.
Vinay, Aaron and Yadav have to bring down the eco rates in ODIs down to about 5.00 or less to remain in contention for ODI bowling. Otherwise they will have to switch to Tests only if they manage retain pace above 140 kph. It looks like Vinay has to improve quite a bit.
Zaheer has set a standard in current ODI bowling which maintains a eco rate below 5 and an average below 30. He can also bowl in Tests as well.
Munaf and Praveen can hang around for about 5-6 years. The only hope is Umesh Yadav and Aaron for the 3rd seamer in the 1-dayers.
Re: Future of 1-day bowling
by jay on Dec 03, 2011 07:01 AM
ODI's have become Batsman oriented and all bowlers are getting caned. There will be more bad days for the bowlers but the guys you mentioned Vinay, Aaron and Yadav are the best that we have at the moment. Vinay who seems to invoke so much strong feelings has the knack of taking wickets consistently . Cut him some slack. Dont view Cricketers as commodities or some kind of flavour of the day to be only thrown away frequently
Re: Re: Future of 1-day bowling
by Happy Friday on Dec 03, 2011 07:21 AM
Agree with you on Aaron/yadav but Vinay never looked like a decent bowler and does not seem to have pace or swing or wicket taker (like zaheer). Munaf /praveen are slow bowlers. Munaf is lucky player to be part of winning wc team.
Re: Re: Re: Future of 1-day bowling
by jay on Dec 03, 2011 11:50 AM
I am not sure if you actually watched Vinay bowl. Probably you should just google 'Vinay kumars patented outswinger' and read up some of the articles. He bowls out swinger ,may not be super past but has good out swinger.
Another win without the likes of Sachin, Dhoni, Yuvi, Zaheer & Harbhajan (though most of them will disagree with me on Bhajji's presence). Good going Team India! Fanatic followers of Sachin & Dhoni will be crying because we won without their heroes :)
Re: Good
by Against Pseudos on Dec 03, 2011 05:12 AM
Jiju:
"Another" certainly. :-) The ferocious and unplayable Roach, Rampaul and Pollard finally conquered. This win will be remembered for a long time; even better than the WC win!
Re: Re: Good
by Jiju on Dec 03, 2011 06:56 AM
Ha ha, unplayable Ashwin, much hyped Aaron also finally conquered. The so called "waste" Rohit Sharma and the so called "young guy with no technique who always gives Gaali" Virat had to play well.....
Re: Re: Good
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 03, 2011 08:44 AM
Pseudo: This is what i always appreciate about you...you are true cricket fan and a true indian cricket fan...you always appreciate all the good performances of everybody may they be of any country....
the way you admire all indian players is well known...they are all grateful to have true cricket fans like you...
the only thing i dont like about your posts is that though you always acknowledge and laud all good performances you are always miserly in your praise when it comes to sachin...i dont understand why it seems like you are always spitting on all his good performances....
And there are some fools here who think that you only praise sachin's performance and spit on all other india players' performances...such idiots they are!...:)
Re: Re: Re: Good
by koni on Dec 03, 2011 10:23 AM
VIRAT PLAYED AGAINST WEAK OPPOSITION VIRAT PLAYED ON FRIENDLY BATTING PITCH virat PLAYED FOR CENTURY VIRAT IS NOT FINISHER
HOW FOOLISH COMMENTS ABOVE. WAKE UP SACHIN HATERS, GET KNOWLEDGE
After getting an excellent start by the bowlers the WI to reach 269 was a impossibility. Playing teams like WI makes the Indian team complacent and they should concentrate on winning the next 3 with ease rather then the huffing and puffing are seeing.
It would be better if Parthiv is moved to bat at #6 and if he does'nt score we can just look at it as a failed Dhoni.
Overall, Vinay Kumar was impressive when the conditions are suitable, his pace is a bit brisker than Praveen and seems like only Munaf and Zaheer are capable of maintaning an eco rate of 5.0 and below.
That means that India's ODI bowling attack is still emerging and Vinay, Yadav and Aaron are still very raw.
The bowling attack needs more coaching and training and since they lack know how on keeping the runs down in the sub-continental they need to be retained in the side longer for grooming them in the longer term.
Re: Re: Cannot call this win comfortable by any means.
by Nikhil Shah on Dec 03, 2011 05:53 AM
With Zaheer having a few years left in him, Munaf and Praveen are the only two we have in the long term to play in the 1-dayers.
Vinay, Aaron and Yadav have to bring down the eco rates ODIs down to about 5.00 or less to remain in contention for ODI bowling. Otherwise they will have to switch to Tests only if they manage retain pace above 140 kph.
It looks like Vinay has to improve quite a bit.
Zaheer has set a standard in current ODI bowling which maintains a eco rate below 5 and an average below 30. He can also bowl in Tests as well.
Munaf and Praveen can hang around for about 5-6 years.
The only hope is Umesh Yadav and Aaron for the 3rd seamer in the 1-dayers.
Re: Re: Re: Cannot call this win comfortable by any means.
by D S on Dec 03, 2011 06:52 AM
munaf cannot even bend to stop ball. secondly,munaf should learn pace instead of fast spin.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannot call this win comfortable by any means.
by D S on Dec 03, 2011 06:55 AM
and praveen needs to retrain himself so he is not a bunny of batsmen like peitersen who wait for praveen to play so they can hit. Same happened with Munaf in England. worse, when entire team sat inside to have D/L in their favour, munaf sat outside so they can play again and match goes in England favoour/ Yusuf did something on similar lines in West-indies.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Cannot call this win comfortable by any means.
by Happy Friday on Dec 03, 2011 07:23 AM
actually munaf is medium spin! I think kumble was faster than him.
selectors in deadlock again. they need to be ready for australia. it is time to act selectors.bowling attack exposeed, should not expose ashwin/etc too much, get rahul into variation and rotation. Aaron needs rotation as well. Same with parthiv and gambhir, where is Rahane and saha?
