ODI'S TESTS ADAM GILCHRIST JUSTIN LANGER MATHEW HAYDEN MATHEW HAYDEN RICKY PONTING SAME MICHEAL CLARKE SAME ANDREW SYMONDS DAMIEN MARTYN MICHEAL HUSSEY SAME SHANE WATSON ADAM GILCHRIST SHANE WARNE SAME BRETT LEE SAME JASON GILLESPIE SAME GLENN MCGRATH SAME
V WEST INDIES 1. Gordon Greenidge 2. Desmond Haynes 3. Viv Richards 4. Larry Gomes 5. Clive Lloyd 6. Gus Logie 7. Jeff Dujon 8. Andy Roberts 9. Michael Holding 10. Colin Croft 11. Joel Garner
Re: aussies (1999-2008) v west indies (1975-1983)
by Dhobi Khaya on Oct 22, 2010 08:33 AM
where the hell is Brian Lara or is he not from the WI? And what about Malcom Marshall?
Re: aussies (1999-2008) v west indies (1975-1983)
by GARY on Oct 21, 2010 07:40 AM
I bet that the Windies will overpower the Aussie team. The Windies were far too good, except for lack of quality spinner. Their quicks would have taken care of the Aussie team and subdued them. I am sure Sir Viv would have led the way and taken the fight into the Aussie team, he would have loved it battling the challenge.
Re: Sunny the great
by GARY on Oct 20, 2010 07:21 AM
Though he was a great batsman, he was not a entertainer, he was not someone who could entertain the masses. He was essentially a stayer with the technique who fearlessly defended his wicket at one end.
He was not someone like Sir Vivian Richards or Adam Gilchrist or Viru Sehwag who destroy and dismantle bowling attacks to shreds. All these guys were entertainers who would pull in crowds whatever the status of the match.
Re: Re: Re: Sunny the great
by Think Tank on Oct 20, 2010 09:42 AM
That time it was Sunny and Vishy...so there was no question of entertainment but to push the matches for draw.
Had he been backed up by guys like Superbatsman Sachin, Aussiking VVS, Unique WALL, "Entertainer explosive Viru and run getter Gaauti situation would have been different.
Look at the batsmen of his time: Ashok Mankad, Ashok Malhotra, (Baring Dilip Sardesai and Ajit Wadekar, to some extend Nari Contractor) who was there to face the fire on the bouncy wickets like Port of Spain where he score double ton when he had his tooth badly paining....
By the way have you ever heard the sound of fast delivery when it passes the ear?
GARY Soberse and King Richards had people to bowl at them during nets and could get easy practice. Think who were our bowlers , it was mainly Bedi, Prasanna, Chandra and Kapil Paji.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sunny the great
by GARY on Oct 21, 2010 07:43 AM
THINK TANK, Sunny no doubt was a great bat, but was not a entertainer, however his bro in law Vishy was one, i saw him bat and he was one definitely. As kaka mentioned, Sunny too had good follow up batters like Jimmy, Veng, Sandeep, etc. The ones u mentioned, Wadekar, etc were from earlier era
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sunny the great
by Kaka on Oct 20, 2010 10:10 PM
Gary is right, Sunny was just a great solid batter who kept one end secure and generally provided a solid platform without being destructive. On other hand, Vishy was a master bat, a entertainer who pulled in crowds far better than Sunny, crowds flocked when he came in to bar.
As for batting support, u seem to have forgotten that even Sunny had apart from Vishy. Jimmy Amarnath, Vengsarkar, Sandeep Patil, Kapil Dev..all no mean batters.
With all due respect to big bird, one cannot agree that "we still produce some of the best players in the world". Come one, in the current WI team only Chris Gayle and Chanderpaul are of real standard (Sarwan is injured so often, one cannot judge him). Chanderpaul is a pretty old hand and gayle too is not exactly a new comer. So where are the new world class players? Please do not add bravo and pollard. They are decent players, but world class.
Re: Respectfully Disagree With Big Bird
by Kaka on Oct 19, 2010 11:43 PM
Big Bird could be true, who knows in another 10 years time, they may come back as a strong force. After all everything happens in cycle....
Re: Re: Respectfully Disagree With Big Bird
by GARY on Oct 20, 2010 07:29 AM
Big Bird was a rare bowler who was difficult to score, and was someone who could take wickets when the situation demanded. A rare bowler
The actual invincible WI team of the 80's is as under - 1. Gordon Greenidge 2. Desmond Haynes 3. Viv Richards 4. Larry Gomes 5. Clive Lloyd 6. Gus Logie 7. Jeff Dujon 8. Andy Roberts 9. Michael Holding 10. Colin Croft 11. Joel Garner
Re: Actual invincible team of the 80's
by Kaka on Oct 19, 2010 11:42 PM
Your team pick up looks fine except for Logie (i would have Alvin Kallicharan, a superb left hander with a classic style) and then late Macko Marshall for Croft.
That was a fabolous team, all were in prime and they swept the cricket world then. King Richards was a joy to watch, no helmet and all daring, destroyed bowling attacks like no one could.
Re: Re: Actual invincible team of the 80's
by ranganathan S on Oct 20, 2010 12:58 PM
Yes Kalli was a great delight to watch but he faded away after he led the WI second string team to India in 1979 - incidentally the tour that saw the emergence of Slyvester Clarke and Malcomm Marshall as fast bowlers. Faoud Bacchus and Larry Gomes also came into the team then. When the Packer series was abandoned and star players of WI were back, Kalli missed out and faded away gracefully. Croft was also a Packer series star player. Richie Richardson then came in around 1985 when Gomes was on his way out. Logie continued and was known for his quick reflex catches at shortleg and also as a superb cover fielder. Yes, I watched Viv Richards and Greenidge debut at Bangalore on the 1974-75 tour of the WI to India. Chandra put the fear of God in Viv who failed miserably on his debut. Greenidge made 93 and 107. Strangely Chandra was dropped for the next test in Delhi, and then Viv announced his arrival on the big stage with a majestic 191 !
Re: Re: Actual invincible team of the 80's
by GARY on Oct 20, 2010 07:27 AM
Correct, i saw Sir Viv and Macko in their primes, they were rare and gifted players who come once in a lifetime. Sir Viv was a sight to behold, his very walk to the crease was a show, he put the fear of God in the rival bowlers and make them tremble. He used to take the fight to the bowlers and scatter them all over the park. His duels with the fast bowlers were Stirling stuff interspersed with witty banters. Never will we someone like him.
As for Macko, he was the ulitimate quick, fast and pacy who would outfox the batters and create panic. He was superb, look at his test average, it is fabolous
Re: Actual invincible team of the 80's
by Deepak on Oct 19, 2010 06:06 PM
This team is a joke,how can you miss the World's best fast bowler in the 80's
Re: Re: Actual invincible team of the 80's
by Kaka on Oct 19, 2010 11:39 PM
Right , he should be there, the best of the quicks, the greatest of all times possibly..
Yep...they were a Legendary team before consisting of Greenidge, Haynes, Lara, Richardson, Lloyd, RIchards, Hooper etc. taking care of batting dept. and Garner, Marshall, Ambrose, Walsh, Patterson taking care of bowling dept. It's really sad to see the decline of current WI team...with less passion among the players also the WI board don't have much money to satisfy the current players demand
Re: WI's a Legendary team before
by Hari N on Oct 19, 2010 02:54 PM
Dear Krish Lara and Hooper were not part of that Invisible team. Again Walsh, Patterson and Ab=mbrose joined them at the fag end and by that time they were no more the invincible team. The original pace quater was (Andy Roberts, Micheal Holding, Slyster clark & Jeol Garner) later Slyster clark was replaced by Malcom marshall.
My God! those were days of cricket and a real pleasure to watch micheal the "whispering death" holding - argueably one of the most fluid action bowler, "gilchrist" the terror bowler who use to break skulls (of nari contractor fame - what can he help if the batsman ducks into it ?), malcolm - the deadly in-swinger - bowler, patrick patterson, courtney walsh and last not the least subject of this article joel "big-bird" garner. When he use to come running to bowl (the 6'8" frame) one use to get reminded of standing on the railway tracks and a big locomotive was hurling at you. You need to have guts to stand with a bat, not like our present heroes dressed up like "King Arthur's" knights in armour.
Re:
by Hari N on Oct 19, 2010 02:47 PM
Dear narayanswamy when you praise some one, you have have to critise others. Moreover bowlers you are discribing played in a different generation. Gilchrist in late 60's and early 70's. The real pace quater (Roberts, holding, Slyster clark and Garner) started playing togerther in the mid seventies. Its only in mid and late 80's that likes of Ambrose, patterson and walsh joined the ranks and by that time they were no more the team they were used to be.
