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kapil paliwal
Bradman and today's batsman can't be compared
by kapil paliwal on Nov 08, 2010 05:48 PM  | Hide replies

Bradman played only against S. Africa, England and W. Indies. His record would have been very different had he played on Indian sub continent against spinners. Also his 52 tests were spread over 17 years! Where is the comparison?
Bradman was a very good player but to call him all time greatest is an idea born of white man's superiority.

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jaggu
Re: Bradman and today's batsman can't be compared
by jaggu on Nov 08, 2010 11:22 PM
Bradman never had media and 1 billion strong country screaming for him..he could perform without any distractions like IPL & matchfixing Azza..Sachin is just way beyond Bradman on facing real challenges.

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Great Indian
Comparison of greats... is it needed?
by Great Indian on Nov 05, 2010 09:13 AM  | Hide replies

Just don't understand why we should compare a great of one era with another of totally different era to qualify the greatness...??!!

We can enjoy Sachin's batting and his exploits as they are - why rip them apart by an unnecessary and uncalled for comparisons with Bradman's heroics?

To enjoy an apple - we don't need a comparison with Orange - do we??

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kapil paliwal
Re: Comparison of greats... is it needed?
by kapil paliwal on Nov 08, 2010 05:46 PM
Bradman played only against S. Africa, England and W. Indies. His record would have been very different had he played on Indian sub continent against spinners. Also his 52 tests were spread over 17 years! Where is the comparison?
Bradman was a very good player but to call him all time geatest is an idea born of white man's superiority.

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Against Pseudos
Re: Comparison of greats... is it needed?
by Against Pseudos on Nov 05, 2010 09:17 AM
Well said....

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Vision
We selute you Sachin for Being FInness ICOn of indian sports
by Vision on Nov 05, 2010 08:59 AM

First of being a Mumbaikar. Second Today International cricket is very hectic & lasting 20years that too at to is amazing. Your temparamant is unparallaled. You are an icon for indian sportsmen. We are not concerned how much you scored which records you broke. You are Fitness icon

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sudhir sood
sachi a BRADMAN!!!!!
by sudhir sood on Nov 05, 2010 08:50 AM  | Hide replies

stop being stupid; a midget comparable to a GIANT! Bradman never played against university level sides like Kenya, Bangladesh and God knows what other pathetic sides as this midget has done; the clown sachin keeps flinging his bat towards the sky as if someone up there is watching him; he is nothing but an ordinary player who has played too much and is reasonably good; anything more would be mere bull shit

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shailesh gupta
Re: sachi a BRADMAN!!!!!
by shailesh gupta on Nov 10, 2010 02:39 PM
Having a Sachin is the illfate of Indians, there's no comparision of Bradman and Sachin. Picking to score against weak opponenets and amassing mere number n no quality is the murder of a game which is already deficient in athleticism. This is a feminine kind of sports and sportsmanship which lacks any vigor, punch, aggression, speed or thrill. Just scoring number to appease scorers and media who love to count but are blind to the quality og game and the real contribution. better players are- Laxman, sehwag, Symonds, Bevan and Ponting mush better. Ponting being a successful captain of a team like Auz and terririic in records although the records are nothing in comparision to the joys of sports gifted by the likes of raina, Richards, kapil, Jonty rhodes and ganguly etc. anyone counting mer no is a naive.

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sandi Gopinath
Re: sachi a BRADMAN!!!!!
by sandi Gopinath on Nov 05, 2010 10:48 AM
you seem to be a big fool.bradman played cricket against only ONE recognised cricket playing country i.e. england and cricket in those days were like roadside/street cricket.and had he played 280 test matches like sachin his avg would have been 55 or who knows even lesser against the greatest bowlers of all time like wasim akram,waquar,murli...etc and sachin is playing against 8-10 cricketing nations and not ONE LIKE BRADMAN.i would say even lara is better than bradman.

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Pradip
Re: sachi a BRADMAN!!!!!
by Pradip on Nov 08, 2010 05:04 PM
tumare maa madherchod


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Against Pseudos
Re: sachi a BRADMAN!!!!!
by Against Pseudos on Nov 05, 2010 09:20 AM
Sood:

I like the first 3 words in your message, but fail to understand what stops you from following your own advice... ;-)

BTW, if you give me your credentials and authority, I might evaluate your message in that light, else apart from the first 3 words I didn't see anything worth evaluating.... ;-)

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KP
Re: sachi a BRADMAN!!!!!
by KP on Nov 05, 2010 09:01 AM
What is your problem ?

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Vision
Re: sachi a BRADMAN!!!!!
by Vision on Nov 05, 2010 09:07 AM
How may times Bradman travelled out? How many tests Bradman lasted. You sound stupid in your statement

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Pran Ven
compare avg of players in their era
by Pran Ven on Nov 05, 2010 02:12 AM  | Hide replies

I think the best way to compare the two is to compare the average of Bradman and the next best player during his time and the average of Sachin and the next best player of his time.. The next best player in Bradman's era I think had an average of 60 which was way behind Bradman's 99 and Sachin is only slightly ahead (if at all) in terms of average of many players of his time...

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super hero
Re: compare avg of players in their era
by super hero on Nov 05, 2010 04:47 AM
How cany you say Sachin is only slightly ahead of his contemporaries?
Sachin is a great Test player Great ODI player = Greatest player ever.

To see how he fares among his peers, give a ranking for all players in Tests and ODIS and then add those two numbers.The lower the better, then see the gap between him and others.
For example Wisden rated him all time 2nd best test player and all time second best odi player.
So his index is 2 2 =4.
None of his contemporaries figue in both the lists.


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Against Pseudos
Re: Re: compare avg of players in their era
by Against Pseudos on Nov 05, 2010 07:57 AM
Super Hero:

Such lists always have Sir Don Bradman ahead of all contenders....

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super hero
Question to Writer
by super hero on Nov 04, 2010 10:40 PM  | Hide replies

The writer says "But if Bradman had played the same number of Test innings (Tendulkar has played 280 to Bradman's 80), he would have finished with something like 100 hundred, given the rate at which he scored them,"
The real question is will he make 100 hundreds in tests, playing 450 ODI's parallelly and making 17,000 runs ? That basically gives him practically no practice games, and he has to switch gears from Tests to ODI's and ODI's to Tests constantly. People are forgetting one thing here, sachin is also the best ODI player apart from his heroics in Tests.What does that account for, when comparing to Bradman? Nothing?

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Patriot
Re: Question to Writer
by Patriot on Nov 05, 2010 01:44 AM
I think its worthless to waste time comparing the times of two all time greatest players...Bradman played on uncovered wickets...while Sachin plays round the year in different countries..also Bradman scored more consistently to get 99.99 average...but against same opponents England mostly and South Africa.

He didn't have to face the Murali / Malinga / Shoib Akthar kind of chuckers. But he had to play without helmets...

as someone pointed out there was no LBW's...

So no use comparing them...Sachin is today's Bradman...thats well said. Simply lets enjoy when this genius is playing.

One sure qulaity that matched him and Bradman are - they are both madly in love with the game, focussed, dedicated, consistent and work very very damn hard although gifted by God with talent.

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Great Indian
Re: Re: Question to Writer
by Great Indian on Nov 05, 2010 09:15 AM
Perfect ... I totally agree with you.
As I said in a different post - you don't have to compare apple with orange to enjoy Apple..!
Both are great - period.

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surya das
Re: Question to Writer
by surya das on Nov 04, 2010 10:58 PM
Does writer knows that during Bradman's era, there was no LBW. That means, out of 280 innings which Sachin has played, 67innings are LBW, 14 innings bowled..that means Sachin in those ocassion he can be not out.

It's like some one comparing a person who scored 90 marks in Science, but never appear in Math, Chemistry called as best student (he may best in Science but no body knows what he would ve scored in other two subjects, where as another student who is scoring 60 plus in all 3 subjects is calling as 2nd best in a class where 100 students are studying in compare to 10 students with student A). Please dont compare like a stupid.

Who knows if he would ve played 280 innings, his avg may be dropped to 60 or 70..

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Against Pseudos
Re: Re: Question to Writer
by Against Pseudos on Nov 05, 2010 04:19 AM
Surya Das:

:) Most (if not all) of us on the forum are higly amused to know your cricketing "knowledge". .. :)

Dude, during Bradman era, was there a concept of bowlers? Or batsmen just went onto the ground and counted as much as they could and that was considered to be their score? ;-)



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surya das
Re: Question to Writer
by surya das on Nov 04, 2010 10:59 PM
Does writer knows that during Bradman's era, there was no LBW. That means, out of 280 innings which Sachin has played, 67innings are LBW, 14 innings bowled..that means Sachin in those ocassion he can be not out.

It's like some one comparing a person who scored 90 marks in Science, but never appear in Math, Chemistry called as best student (he may best in Science but no body knows what he would ve scored in other two subjects, where as another student who is scoring 60 plus in all 3 subjects is calling as 2nd best in a class where 100 students are studying in compare to 10 students with student A). Please dont compare like a stupid.

Who knows if he would ve played 280 innings, his avg may be dropped to 60 or 70..

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Liyon Jose
Re: Question to Writer
by Liyon Jose on Nov 04, 2010 10:48 PM
Bradman retired at the age 49. That tells, how substandard fitness was required during those days to play cricket. Now maximum a guy might play till 39.

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Kaka
Re: Re: Question to Writer
by Kaka on Nov 04, 2010 10:58 PM
Wrong, he retired at the age of 40 years. When he played his last test in 1948, he was 40.

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Against Pseudos
Re: Re: Question to Writer
by Against Pseudos on Nov 05, 2010 04:21 AM
Jose:

By the same token, the Indian hockey team and Dhyanchand are mere school grade players by today's standards.... nay? ;-)

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Against Pseudos
Re: Question to Writer
by Against Pseudos on Nov 05, 2010 04:45 AM
Super Hero:

Considering that many players including Virender Sehwag, Ricky Ponting, Sourav Ganguly, Jaques Kallis, Kumara Sangakkara etc. etc. have also played quite consistently in many forms of the games if not all, that should be accounted for, when comparing them to Sachin, and by your logic they are equally as good as Sachin.... eh? :)

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super hero
Re: Re: Question to Writer
by super hero on Nov 05, 2010 05:44 AM
First of many forms of the game?
In ur list only Ponting and Kallis performed in both forms of the game.
Second, they should perform consistently for loooong enough.
Ponting is already waning and lets see what kallis can do for loooong time in both forms of the game.

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Against Pseudos
Re: Re: Re: Question to Writer
by Against Pseudos on Nov 05, 2010 08:43 AM
Super Hero:

My list also included Sehwag, Ganguly, Sangakkara and etc. :)

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super hero
Bradman vs Sachin
by super hero on Nov 04, 2010 10:35 PM

Bradman played mostly against England and mostly in England and Australia. Its like telling Sachin, that he will be playing against 4-5 bowlers in his career.
Yes Yes average above 100 in all forms of cricket. Remember when Sachin is back from elbow injury, he went straight to england to play club cricket before coming to International crikcet and he made 5 centuries in 5 macthes.
Lastly the most important thing, Each of bradmans series will span around 4-5 months.And they have 5-6 tour games before actual tests.In this generation, by the time Indian players adjust to the conditions, they will be playing their last test of the tour.If you see India performance in the last test of every away series, you will know what I am speaking.
So, from the given facts you cannot compare them.No way Bradmans feat is more than Tendulkars. They both are legends.


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Niharika Sharma
Don's avg was an accident
by Niharika Sharma on Nov 04, 2010 06:15 PM  | Hide replies

9) Bradman played 10/52 test i.e almost 20% tests against the weakest teams of his time[India and SA] with an avg of 190.25

Tendulkar played 14/171 i.e 8% of his tests against the weakest two teams of his time[Bangladesh and zimbabwe] with an avg of 91.47


10) Every players loves to play against one quality attack,Bradman loved English attack be it at home or in England. He has played 37/52 tests i.e. 71% of his matches against a single familiar opponent. so if V Shewag had played 71% of all his 82 test against his most favourite attack i.e Pakistan[He has an avg of 91 against them], his career avg would have been 80.43.

Bradman's avg had fallen considerably againt quality West Indian attack[74.50] or in bodyline series[55].Bodyline searies indicates one aspect that had he played in today's time with so much techno;ogy around opposition team would have definitely found some chinks or area of discomfort for Bradman, which he mostly escaped in that era.


The point is simple in todays age and time if Bradman had played he would have an avg of around 70 certainly nt 99.94 which was a sheer accident of time.

Had tendulkar played in similar type i.e more matches against the weakest teams or more matches against his favourite attack or only in India and Australian wicket year after year, his avg will also be somewhere near 70.

Also when Tendulkar is playing as a member of one of the finest batting line up where Shewag/Laxman/Dravid is diverting the focus of

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subhash k
Re: Don's avg was an accident
by subhash k on Nov 05, 2010 01:14 AM
Love u,,wat a fantabolus stats,,tnx Niharika!!

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Niharika Sharma
Re: Don's avg was an accident
by Niharika Sharma on Nov 04, 2010 06:16 PM
Also when Tendulkar is playing as a member of one of the finest batting line up where Shewag/Laxman/Dravid is diverting the focus of opposition, in the last few years, he is scoring runs just like bradman did. Where as tendulakr mostly carried the burden of a weak indian batting line up at least up to 2000 [11 yrs of his career] where opposition knwe one thing [Out tendulkar and india is gone] and so they did everything to get him out. Today getting tendulkar out is nt enough.Bradman mostly played in a team where he was nt the only match winner.

In spite of all these Don is perhaps the best but narrowly. Yes probably he is the only batsman in the cricket history who can come closer to bradman and perhaps equivalent to him.

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tornado
Re: Re: Don's avg was an accident
by tornado on Nov 05, 2010 05:02 AM
what a biased analysis niharika...useless.pathetic....how can you say sachin carried the burden....and bradman played in a team with all match winners...remember bodyline bradman failed and they lost misrebly.....

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Niharika Sharma
Bradman's avg is an accident
by Niharika Sharma on Nov 04, 2010 06:02 PM  | Hide replies

9) Bradman played 10/52 test i.e almost 20% tests against the weakest teams of his time[India and SA] with an avg of 190.25

Tendulkar played 14/171 i.e 8% of his tests against the weakest two teams of his time[Bangladesh and zimbabwe] with an avg of 91.47


10) Every players loves to play against one quality attack,Bradman loved English attack be it at home or in England. He has played 37/52 tests i.e. 71% of his matches against a single familiar opponent. so if V Shewag had played 71% of all his 82 test against his most favourite attack i.e Pakistan[He has an avg of 91 against them], his career avg would have been 80.43.

Bradman's avg had fallen considerably againt quality West Indian attack[74.50] or in bodyline series[55].


The point is simple in todays age and time if Bradman had played he would have an avg of around 70 certainly nt 99.94 which was a sheer accident of time.

Had tendulkar played in similar type i.e more matches against the weakest teams or more matches against his favourite attack or only in India and Australian wicket year after year, his avg will also be somewhere near 70.

Yes probably he is the only batsman in the cricket history who can come closer to bradman and perhaps equivalent to him.

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Niharika Sharma
Re: Bradman's avg is an accident
by Niharika Sharma on Nov 04, 2010 06:06 PM
Also playing for so many years and so many matches like Tendulkar is staggering. To survive the fitness aspect itself is awesome. Bradman had the luxury to play far fewer matches and remain fit. Tendulkar lost some avg due to fitness.
Bradman didnt play 22 years non stop but tendulkar is doing just that and that too with such consistency which is remarkable.

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joseph k
Tendulkar is the Braaaman of today
by joseph k on Nov 04, 2010 05:39 PM  | Hide replies

Tendulkar is the Braaaman of today

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Indian
Re: Tendulkar is the Braaaman of today
by Indian on Nov 05, 2010 01:28 AM
and u are a condom man

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