hmmm as a 10yr old i was wondering whether he is as good as gavaskar said him to be..as a 12yr old i was wondering whether he was better than manjrekar..as a 14 yr old i was wondering whether he was not getting his due being mentioned 'one of the best' by every non indian expert ...as an 18 yr old i ws wondering why he was not a better player of pace than Lara..as a 20 yr old..hmm no competition..as a 25 yr old i was wondering is he passed it? .. as a 27 yr old i was wondering probably Lara is better at spin...as i reached 30 i was wondering hmm probably Ponting will prove Gavaskar wrong ...now I have stopped wondering..and I am 32 now..just enjoy..
When Kapil was the leading wicket taker in the world, there was an argument which Indians used to level, to say that Kapil was the greatest bowler... Which was, that he always had to toil in the flat sub continental batsmen friendly pitches, as opposed to aussie or West indies bowlers, who had helpful seaming fast tracks.. The same holds good now also..Sachin was able to score all those runs, because he had the advantage of flat , batsman friendly tracks.. while people like Lara and Ponting had to bat most of their lifes in adverse conditions.. and also see this..Lara scored close to 12000 runs in 137 test, while sachin had to play 167 tests for his 13.5 K!!!! Sachin might be the best indian batsman in the current generation (Sehwag might overtake him any moment), but definitely not the best ever...either for India or for the world..
Re: Not Sachin!!
by miviu on Jul 28, 2010 11:50 AM
Sujith, its not just criket, the ODI records of Sachin will be intact for several years, may be decades... as to break them one not only need to have equal or better average but also his level of scoring rate, and ability to play ODIs for long duration. We have already seen many great batsmen opting out of this...
Re: Not Sachin!!
by manohar miandad on Jul 29, 2010 09:12 PM
There is a lot difference to kapil wicket taking and now wicket taking. At that time, batsmen mentality is to play for draw. Now, runs are scored at 4 runs per over. so every chance that bowler will take wickets. Kapil is a geniune bowler with Imran, Botham,Hadlee , Marshall and co. As Bedi said Murali is a chuker. He cannot win match for Srilanka in India. Then how can you say he is the best. Even that small kid saqlin did.
Re: Not Sachin!!
by Ajithkumar Chandramouli on Jul 28, 2010 12:25 AM
Oh yeah.. how analytical?? Sachin scored more overseas runs than Lara. And above all you should not look at the number of matches played, but the number of innings he has played. Sachin and lara reached the 10 runs mark playing the same number of innings.
Lara has played in more batsman friendly pitches the Sachin. Look the records he has made in Antigua and other batsman friendly pitches, and check the average of sachin overseas, it is better than his average in india. Sachin has scored runs everywhere, in Australia as well as in England. Whereas Lara's record in australia is pretty bad, and ponting's record in India and England is pathetic.. so just for the sake of pointing fingers at sachin you are saying some rubbish..
Re: Not Sachin!!
by Nostradamus Great on Jul 28, 2010 12:08 AM
Okay Sujith point taken... Well, the door is there.. please leave! And thanks for coming!
Re: Not Sachin!!
by C M on Jul 28, 2010 01:11 AM
OK Mr.Einstein of Cricket ..Here is little help...First talk abt Kapil...Kapil was a Swing bowler..Swing has lot to do with weather, Air humidity,fingers, palm pressure techniques...So flat wickte is no excuse at all...The type of wkt matter more for spinners. Fast track helps more for bounce and rise...Kapil was not deadly bouncers or yorker either..He used them both lesshem comparatively less (Surprisingly he used slow delivery less too) Now abt SRT He scored more centuries on foreign grounds..So whts the point saying he had adv of flat wkts more..?? He scored 21 tons in 74 home venues (3.52 per ton) and 26 in 94 foreign soils (3.62 per ton)...Apart from Stat, If you think Sehwag might overtake SRT any moment then we hav to redefine"Moment" Nothing against Sehwag but SRT is in his own league..Don't even try to compare unless you want prove yourself stupid
Re: Not Sachin!!
by Pravash on Aug 03, 2010 08:15 PM
I think u don't know what cricket is what playing conditions are.... Comparing Ponting to Tendulkar only shows that u r a big idiot!!!!!
Re: Not Sachin!!
by Slam D on Aug 02, 2010 08:15 PM
LOL idiot sujith kiran. Look at sachins average at home and away and compare it for other batsmen you consider good.
Re: Not Sachin!!
by Cricket Crazy on Jul 28, 2010 07:28 AM
Here comes one more, why can’t you digest that an Indian can be best in the world. Gets your facts right then speak. People can have exceptional period run 2-3 years (like Ponting), but being top of game for 20 years is something different. And don’t forget last decade World’s best bowlers have come from Australia only be it McGrath, Gillespie, Warne, Lee and so on. Sachin’s record against Australia is well known. So keep your mouth shut and feel privileged to watch Master at his work. We (cricket fans)are living dream, we are living in SACHIN ERA.
Re: Re: Not Sachin!!
by Rahul Dalvi on Jul 28, 2010 08:25 AM
Just imagine what would have Sachin done against our great Indian attack, he had to face great fast bowlers like Mcgrath, Ambrose, Donald, Wasim etc.
Re: Re: Re: Not Sachin!!
by miviu on Jul 28, 2010 11:39 AM
Ignorance at its peak... can u replace him in Indian outfit..! when he is playing his best cricket what is the problem for you.
How can Pointing be ahead of Sachin?? Dude, compare their record in the last three years...its like sachin flying high and pointing still rolling on the ground. Pointing has a dreadful record in England. he is just half of what he was 3-4 years ago.. Now the same applies to pointing.... even if he scores run, it will be difficult foe Aussies to win...bcoz they now dont have a great team to win from any situation...now he has to take full burden of the team...the thing that sachin has been doing for the last two decades. Lets c now how this greatest man (Pointing) performs under pressure...
Re: True test of Pointing has begun........!!!
by B C on Jul 29, 2010 03:43 PM
well said veer bhaiya... Sachin shouldering the responsibility for last 20 yrs u are spot on...
Re: True test of Pointing has begun........!!!
by miviu on Jul 28, 2010 11:42 AM
Good bowlers in the team always help batsmen of the team indirectly.. as they would contribute significantly even if the score is low. Conversely, having good bowlers in the side batsmen can play more freely and confidently ... we need to remember that Sachin never had luxury of Ponting in his career, who played with Mcgrath, Shanewarne, Brett Lee etc., As u said we need to see how Ponting performs without these great bowlers in the side...
Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by sanath on Jul 27, 2010 01:37 PM
Keep trying...fact is it is agreed all over except for a few Aussie grovelers that Sachin is the greatest to play the game ever...so keep trying, who knows, u may get a few other grovelers to keep u company.
Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by C M on Jul 28, 2010 01:14 AM
Match winners..?? dude we just lost last match Did Veru won it becoz he hit century in first innings..?? Or we lost it just becoz SRT played good in second innings..??Cricket is team game moron..
Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by anup kale on Jul 27, 2010 02:03 PM
if u compare apple with mango than its going to test different. Apples, mangoes, melons and other fruits are not same with test.
Re: Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by miviu on Jul 28, 2010 11:55 AM
And draws many matches... not because of luck or harwork but because of his ease in scoring runs, which is making everybody feel that he is not batting when required.
Re: Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by sunny on Jul 27, 2010 09:58 PM
Cant we take it this way? When Lara and Sehwag played, other batsmen too were able to play and the team registered good scores to win. But when Tendulkar played, others were not to play because of adverse conditions and so ended with low scores and finally lost.
Re: Re: Re: Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tend
by Rakesh on Jul 28, 2010 01:23 AM
ohh and if u did not know..so did viv and kallis and dravid and every tom dick and harry with a name other than sachin...hehe leave it pal some guys don't grow..
Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by Amitava Ghosh on Jul 27, 2010 10:21 PM
For your information Tendulkar is the greates match winner India has ever produced, just see the statistics
Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by Nostradamus Great on Jul 28, 2010 12:13 AM
he he what kind of a world poor sachin is living in.... any c.h.o.o.t.h.i.y.a (like our friend Manish) can come and demean his achievments.. just like that..!! No respect in his own country!! I think Sachin will have more respect if he moves to Australia... that country will respect his cricketing genuis eventhough he did not play for them!
Some Indians cannot digest greatness and can't stand to see someone achieving something. They have to say something abt it to demean it.. so that they can sleep peacefully..! Its the biggest shame of the country in addition to tonnes of other problems!!
Re: Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by B C on Jul 29, 2010 03:47 PM
this is what i'm saying we need to stop this idiotic discussion board of rediff and ban such non-sense forums... and ask for rediff to compensate for hurting the sentiments of people...
Re: Re: first comes ricky ponting, then comes sachin tendulkar
by Nostradamus Great on Jul 28, 2010 12:16 AM
Even if Sachin won worldcup next year, they will still blame him for scoring runs... something like - "Yeah! he batted well to get 1800 runs in the tournament, but jadeja took 2 tail enders wicket, which was crucial... sachin cannot claim that he won it... and more over, he did it late in his career.. and Ponting won the world cup twice"
No matter what Sachin does, some people still will have thorns p.r.i.c.k.i.n.g their a.s.s.e.s! A.s.s.h.o.l.e.s!
