Even if by fixing matches ponting scores more centuries in just one form of game, .i.e. test matches, how ponting is complete cricketer??? To judge a player you have to look into all forms of the game.
Regarding centuries, they are same, whether in tests or one dayers. As of present, the difference in number of centuries of Sachin and ponting is around 25 or so, so, there is no need for any comparison yet.
Re: How the hell you compare Sachin with Ponting????
by Junior Don on Jan 15, 2010 12:31 AM
and tell me how many great bowlers ponting has faced??? This clearly dents his credibility as a great batsman and brings the greatness of Sachin. So, only nonIndians will say ponting is great.
Congrats Ricky! You deserve it. I am unable to understand the logic of many 'patriots' from India who want only Sachin to be named in anything. Mind you, the award is not given on the expectations of the millions backing a player, but based on the performance of the player. Ricky has now scored 39 hundreds and has a better average than Sachin. No doubt, Sachin has played exceedingly well for several years, but over the past few years his form and class are on the decline. However, he is clinging and hanging on instead of giving way in one-dayers to youngsters like Manish pandey.Let's us not do injustice to Ricky Ponting who has been batting consistently, and again mind you, he has been a very successful captain. We in India think everything that is Indian is the best. All that glitters is gold for us.. Let's us shed this kind of overenthusiasm that has been the order of the Indian day at the cost of sportiveness. Sachin may be all time great, but there are equally great players like Brian Lara, Vivian Richards, Gary Sobers, apart from the legendary Don Bradman. Congratulate Ricky Ponting for the laurels he has won. Don't say those who have selected him do not know the ABC of Cricket. They are all men who have travelled from A to Z of Cricket.
Re: Ricky Ponting
by ravi thandi on Jan 14, 2010 10:49 PM
You would do well if you compare the statistics of Tendulkar and Ponting "over the past few years". Secondly, you would do even more well if you find out the age of Ponting and compare it with Tendulkar's. If Tendulkar should give in for youngsters, why not Ponting? Moreover, why should Tendulkar give in if he is performing consistently well (please refer statistics)? Would you retire from your job if you come to know that your younger neighbour (who is in his early 20's) has been struggling to get into a job or at least your position? Please remember that Tendulkar is playing very good cricket; don't criticize him for the sake of it.
Re: Ricky Ponting
by karan Rao on Jan 14, 2010 11:18 PM
Ponting is a gr8 batsman n supposedly he deserves to be batsman of decade...ppl who hav selected him may knw everythin abt cricket...but frm ur views u proved dat u knw nothin abt d game......u r comparing a once in a generation legendary batsman with a rukkie.....n i dnt think Sachin's class or form are declining.....as a matter of fact...dey r gettin better...nowadays he scores tonnes with ease....without breakin a sweat...seems in full control...n i guess all dose who hav travelled frm A-Z of cricket will second me on dis....
Re: Ricky Ponting
by karan Rao on Jan 14, 2010 11:17 PM
Ponting is a gr8 batsman n supposedly he deserves to be batsman of decade...ppl who hav selected him may knw everythin abt cricket...but frm ur views u proved dat u knw nothin abt d game......u r comparing a once in a generation legendary batsman with a rukkie.....n i dnt think Sachin's class or form are declining.....as a matter of fact...dey r gettin better...nowadays he scores tonnes with ease....without breakin a sweat...seems in full control...n i guess all dose who hav travelled frm A-Z of cricket will second me on dis....
Re: Ricky Ponting
by Junior Don on Jan 15, 2010 12:22 AM
I will consider every other player great except Bradman since that fellow played against just one country, namely England, with no known good bowlers. Ponting has to travel a long distance to even compare with Sachin as the difference in number of centuries in overall cricket is around 25 or so. Moreover to be considered a complete cricketer you have to take into account one dayers also. Nevertheless the total runs scored in tests by ponting is still less than sachin. Moreover, ponting is scoring his centuries by match fixing, everyone knows that.
Ricky Ponting has been voted Player of the Decade by an overwhelming majority by a jury comprising former and current players and cricket writers. Apart from Chappell and Vettori, the 38-member jury included Graham Gooch, John Buchanan, Tom Moody, Javagal Srinath, Geoff Boycott, Mushtaq Ahmed, Rashid Latif, David Lloyd, Ranjan Madugalle, Tony Greig and Geoff Lawson.
Now of course none of the members of the jury know the abc of cricket, or else, how could they have chosen Ponting as the player of the decade ahead of our own God of Cricket, Sachin Tendulkar, who is already the player of the millennium. Perhaps the jury have not taken into account the population of India, which denotes the number of expectations Sachin has to carry, but since it has already been established that they do not know abc of Cricket, this need not be discussed further.
Re: Ricky Ponting
by rocky on Jan 14, 2010 07:48 PM
if we go by expectations which an Indian batsmen has to carry then our Sreesanth and Bhajji r far better than Ponting :)
Re: Ricky Ponting
by Priyanka Mutsuddi on Jan 14, 2010 08:12 PM
Your "GOD of Cricket" will not be able to achieve half of what Ricky Ponting have achieved even if "Mr. God" plays for another 20 years. Ricky Ponting is a winner by birth. 93 tests wins, 43 as a captain doesn't come along just like that. He is not also selfish because his main priority is always Australia winning not some useless centuries. Stay in your dreams. Lol u talk about abc of criket,, hehehe its almost funny that you think Sachin is better than Ponting, who have won 3 World Cups and 2 as a captain. Well my congrats to Ricky Ponting for his 39th century, thanks Ponting, Australia needed badly and u stepped up like always, situation was not very good and you fought with your own demons to make one of the best centuries ever.
Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by ravi thandi on Jan 14, 2010 09:13 PM
Singh was pointing to the achievements of Tendulkar as a batsman and not as captain. He was but only reiterating the fact that a captain is as good as the team. Please cite one world cup that Ponting has won for his country "ALMOST" single-handedly. He had the services of fellow batsmen and bowlers to do the job; as a batsman he had very little role. However, Tendulkar did that in 1996 and in 2003. How much more can we expect of any human being who plays cricket, after all? Cricket is a team game and Tendulkar needed his teammates to give at least 50% of their capability. They failed and they failed India. Just 1 bad final (and going by the law of averages he was to fail in 1 match, anyway) and people criticized him rather foolishly.
Re: Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by Priyanka Mutsuddi on Jan 14, 2010 11:49 PM
Ponting made the greatest century in 2003 world cup final, it was sheer domination. Ok, rest aside captaincy, look at their batting records!! in tests Ponting played 20 matches less than Tendulkar but he have 39 centuries to Tendulkar's 43 centuries. Ponting is the best batsman of the cricket today and nobody can dispute it. I am not criticizing Tendulkar or his fans but what have been said here by Mr. A. Singh is rather embarrassing. I am a blind fan of Ricky Ponting and Australia but my eyes are open when it comes to cricket. Ponting have always been in pressure of performing. He have made a team that had the capability to defeat Team India in India of ODI series. Building tests teams takes time. This summer he tried to score fast so that the his new bowlers have the time to take 20 odd wickets. He sacrificed big scores for his country and he scored an ultimate century when Australia needed most.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by ajay gupta on Jan 15, 2010 12:44 AM
What about Pointing's Cheating Capabilities? Do you remember Last India Tour of Australia?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by Priyanka Mutsuddi on Jan 15, 2010 07:22 AM
calling him cheat or by any names does not change the fact that he is the best batsman ever: thats for sure......and there are lots of batsmen who are not a walker including few in India.
Re: Ricky Ponting
by reeba on Jan 14, 2010 06:15 PM
Mr A singh its not Ricky,s fault that Tendulkar bears i billion people,s expectation. Ponting have won 3 WC and huge no. of tests for his team. Tell me what Tendulkar have achieved for his country apart from his personal record. Tendulkar is a great player but he was more indian people and media darling in last decade. From achievment point of view he is far behind then Ponting in last decade.
Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by ravi thandi on Jan 14, 2010 09:24 PM
Tendulkar consistently scores runs for India and they incidentally go into the record books and that rather fittingly. Should we find fault with Tendulkar for this? Does scoring centuries mean playing for personal records? If yes, Ponting is no different either. Unlike Tendulkar, Ponting had little role as a BATSMAN in the world cup wins. If Sania Mirza wins a Tennis tournament, shouldn't India celebrate? If Anand wins a chess tournament, shouldn't India celebrate? Should these achievements be considered as MERE personal landmarks and nothing more than that? Tendulkar's achievements should make every Indian proud. If no, you should be ashamed of calling yourself an Indian. People often seem to think that Criticizing Tendulkar means being radical; I would only hope that some sense prevails.
Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by raghavendra mishra on Jan 14, 2010 06:38 PM
I agree that Ricky has done scored brilliantly for his country (its no joke to score this heavily next only to sachin) and shown his capability as a brilliant captain as well winning two world cups during his captaincy. Sachin tried it brilliantly in 1996 and 2003 world cups being the best batsman. Luck was not in his side. Both are tooooooo good in their own ways. No comparison please.
Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by explorer on Jan 14, 2010 06:31 PM
Are we talking about Cricketing skills, talent and achievements or something else? If we have a cricketer from India who scored max centuries dont we, and our country get the fame and credit for that? I am fed up with these arguments of playing for country. We dont have any philanthropists in this world. I dont think Ponting is playing for free.
Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by raghavendra mishra on Jan 14, 2010 06:41 PM
I agree that Ricky has done scored brilliantly for his country (its no joke to score this heavily next only to sachin) and shown his capability as a brilliant captain as well winning two world cups during his captaincy. Sachin tried it brilliantly in 1996 and 2003 world cups being the best batsman. Luck was not in his side. Both are tooooooo good in their own ways. No comparison please.
Re: Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by overblown blown on Jan 14, 2010 09:10 PM
To all those dumb f...s who are going gaga over sachin and think pointing is better than sachin, lemme remind you guys sachin has played like of warne, glen mg, jason gillispie, mcdermot, and other top quality bowlers where as pointing was in there side. And if you account the number of wrong decissions against sachin then his average will go miles ahead of pointing so for the record. One should take into account the opponents also. Sachin has played against the great bowlers mentinoed where as pointing has scored against tatus like sreenath and co.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by Priyanka Mutsuddi on Jan 14, 2010 11:55 PM
hehehe........where did u learn this languages....may be from your mother. Using languages does not change facts. Ponting have been playing for 14 years and he too faced Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis and many great bowlers, and by the way this decade have also given birth to many new fast bowlers like Dale Steyn and Mohammed Asif. Ponting faced great bowlers like Muralidharan. Nothing changes the fact that may be in batting and scoring runs they are equal but when it comes to winning matches for your country if your Tendulkar plays for another 20 years, he still will not be able to achieve what Ricky Ponting have achieved.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ricky Ponting
by ravi thandi on Jan 14, 2010 09:26 PM
Singh was pointing to the achievements of Tendulkar as a batsman and not as captain. He was but only reiterating the fact that a captain is as good as the team. Please cite one world cup that Ponting has won for his country "ALMOST" single-handedly. He had the services of fellow batsmen and bowlers to do the job; as a batsman he had very little role. However, Tendulkar did that in 1996 and in 2003. How much more can we expect of any human being who plays cricket, after all? Cricket is a team game and Tendulkar needed his teammates to give at least 50% of their capability. They failed and they failed India. Just 1 bad final (and going by the law of averages he was to fail in 1 match, anyway) and people criticized him rather foolishly.
Dhoni is back to Lallo type Dirty politics to suck bowlers and public and BCCI.
DHONI SHOULD BECOme cricket politician of Lallus order, leave the captaincy to Sehwag or Tendulkar or Zaheer khan. It is high time kartik is tried full time, Dhoni is shown the door, Rohit gets a chance , yuvi gets some rest, etc. etc.
