Kallis average just 29 in England, Ponting average just 26 in India,Lara average just 33 in India........... Does it mean all these player were not good batsmen and never to be considered as good players? Who said that players with healthy average in South Africa was the Greatest Player?
Re: Averages.....................
by Jaya S on Dec 08, 2010 05:20 PM
Good point. Just shows that Tendulkar is just as vulnerable as any other modern batsman. So he cannot be the greatest. Finally people see the point.
Re: Re: Averages.....................
by vijay M on Dec 08, 2010 05:45 PM
The rest of the team besides Tendulkar in the past was very weak especially in conditions like South Africa. I remember people turning their tv off once Sachin was out. There was a lot of pressure on Sachin whenever he went in to bat and couldnt score as freely as he may have liked to. I'm sure the situation will be different now as Sachin can now go and play his natural game as there are other batsmen who are good enough to play well. You should be talking about Sachin's performance or the lack thereof after the series is over and not before. Nothing has been proven yet.
Re: Re: Averages.....................
by vijay M on Dec 08, 2010 05:45 PM
The rest of the team besides Tendulkar in the past was very weak especially in conditions like South Africa. I remember people turning their tv off once Sachin was out. There was a lot of pressure on Sachin whenever he went in to bat and couldnt score as freely as he may have liked to. I'm sure the situation will be different now as Sachin can now go and play his natural game as there are other batsmen who are good enough to play well. You should be talking about Sachin's performance or the lack thereof after the series is over and not before. Nothing has been proven yet.
Re: Re: Re: Averages.....................
by Jaya S on Dec 08, 2010 06:02 PM
"I remember people turning their tv off once Sachin was out."
I used to turn off the TV when Sachin came in to bat and only turn it on when I hear he is out. I cannot stand his selfish batting. It is boring and put me to sleep. To stay awake I had to get away from the TV when he bats.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Averages.....................
by vijay M on Dec 08, 2010 06:30 PM
You can stay here for the whole day or even the rest of your life and argue but nothing's going to change facts. Sachin will remain the best batsman ever in the history of cricket and you will remain another whiny anonymous Internet blogger. Why dont you do something worthwhile with your life rather than being a troll ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Averages.....................
by sri sripathy on Dec 09, 2010 06:48 AM
Probably...stop watching cricket...you dont have any idea how to look into the game...now Team inida is better than ever we do have sufficient proofs and sachin has proved numerous times he is a match winner...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Averages.....................
by rahul deshpande on Dec 09, 2010 01:06 AM
jaya just like u have put me to sleep with ur comments anyways i guess sleep is good for u, may u sleep for the next 4 years atleast !!!!
A few Indians(a minority) have been saying that our batsmen will be exposed on green wickets(forgetting that india have won recently in NZ,Aus at perth,windies,england in 2008 etc). But while its obvious that our batting line up is the best in the world, our bowling is stronger as well.Proof: 1) Zaheer vs Steyn: Steyn is fast, but one dimensional. And he needs green tops to be effective. Zaheer has an outstanding record even on placid indian pitches. And the best exponent of reverse swing 2) Morkel/Parnell vs Sree/Ishant The two guys have no experience and have been performing only against weak sides. Sree when on form has the best outswing, and Ishant if he gets to the form of 2008, will be a handful 3) Bhajji vs Harris: LOL..no competition, a pie thrower against someone with 350 plus wickets I rest my case. Maybe SA are ahead only in fielding. Even Dhoni is a better keeper than the ageing boucher.
Re: Man for man: India is stronger!!
by Abhijit on Dec 08, 2010 04:50 PM
Zaheer & Harbhajan were good when compared with Parnell & Harris respectively. Boucher far a good keeper than Dhoni.
Re: Man for man: India is stronger!!
by rahul deshpande on Dec 09, 2010 01:08 AM
absolutely right u are sandeep, and the depth of the indian batting is way above whatever smith / kallis / amla can dish out. and whts the big deal about india not doing well in SA, have SA / Aus /Eng / NZ / SL /Pak done well in india ? or is it that only the teams that do well in SA and not many have done that anyways are the best ?
Well they rightly say that there are lies, Damn lies and then there are statistics. As per the stats, Ashish Nehra has the best average in tests in SA, Since he has not yet been dismeed in his two innings. So he shuold open the innings. His Opening parter Dinesh Kartik (who averages 101!) After them would be Laxman And Sachin followed by dravind and Dhoni. Rest of the squad do not even average in double figures. However, you have conviniently forgottent he stat for maximum run scored by Indian against SA in SA. Yes, like always that is Sachin. He has scored 60% more runs in SA than Dravid and mroe than double of Laxman. I can not put my brain to calculate the comparison with rest of the squad.
Re: God struggles on South African pitches
by Abhijit on Dec 08, 2010 04:56 PM
Lara average 33 in India, Kallis 29 in England, Ponting 26 in India,Steve Waugh 35 in New Zeland......... Top Test run getters averages in some countries
Re: Sahin the great
by Tutu SinghJoshi on Dec 08, 2010 04:18 PM
you retarded & low IQ, say what you want, but Dhoni is better captain than Sachin. And I am a Sachin admirer.
His career average is around 57 but when playing in South Africa that drops to 39. He has been feasting on Bangladesh, New Zealand and Zimbabwe bowlers all his life or on flat pitches like Sydney and Indian pitches. Now comes his real test again and I am sure he will fail again.
Similarly, his ODI average overall is a healthy 45 but when playing is South Africa, he has scored 500 in 20 matches with just 1 century and an average of 26. This is his true ability.
I am ready for the abuse now since Sachin lovers will not have hard facts in response to my post. Bring it on!
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Himanshu Singh on Dec 08, 2010 04:31 PM
Well they rightly say that there are lies, Damn lies and then there are statistics. As per the stats, Ashish Nehra has the best average in tests in SA, Since he has not yet been dismeed in his two innings. So he should open the innings. His Opening parter Dinesh Kartik (who averages 101!) After them would be Laxman And Sachin followed by Dravind and Dhoni. Rest of the squad do not even average in double figures. However, you have conviniently forgotten he stat for maximum runs scored by an Indian against SA in SA. Yes, like always that is Sachin. He has scored 60% more runs in SA than Dravid and mroe than double of Laxman. I can not put my brain to calculate the comparison with rest of the squad.
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by vaibhav more on Dec 08, 2010 03:53 PM
He is the same batsman who was the man of the series in Southe Africa (World cup 2003)with whopping avarage of 78.90.Get ur facts right.
Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by aravind varma on Dec 08, 2010 04:17 PM
ok.but his century was against namibia.only quality innings was against pakistan
Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Jaya S on Dec 08, 2010 03:56 PM
I knew ignorant people would jump at the window of opportunity I gave them. I am referring to ODI and Tests played Vs South Africa and not other teams who don't know how to bowl in SA conditions :) Ignorance is indeed bliss :)
Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 08, 2010 04:32 PM
vaibhav, that was because he feasted on weak oppositions most of whom do not even have test status.
83 vs kenya, 152 vs namibia, 81 vs zimbabwe, 52 vs netherlands
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Raj India on Dec 08, 2010 03:59 PM
So, do u think, in the absence of Sachin, India will create history in SA, by winning all the matches???
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Raj India on Dec 08, 2010 03:58 PM
When u r criticising somebody, u should at least study the facts...Have u seen the world cup 2003 played in SA??? In those pitches, Sachin has accumulated more than 600 runs in WC 2003... Also, he has 3 test centuries & 4 ODI centuries in SA... Can u point out an Indian player who has played better than Sachin in South African conditions ???
Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Jaya S on Dec 08, 2010 04:01 PM
@Raj India...only one of his ODI centuries in SA are against South Africa. Also he has averages only 26.10 against SA in SA and 39 in Test. My facts are perfectly right :)
Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Raj India on Dec 08, 2010 04:03 PM
So, pls point out any Indian batsman, who has played better than sachin in these conditions??? So, do u think, in the absence of Sachin, India will create history in SA, by winning all the matches???
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Jaya S on Dec 08, 2010 04:05 PM
Dravid's ODI average against SA in SA is a whopping 51.20 :) In tests he has been a failure like Sachin. So Dravid should be in the ODI squad and not Sachin :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 08, 2010 04:15 PM
but then why average players like dho-bi, gambhir, raina, kohli, yuvi etc should be in ODI team whose average is very poor in SA or not having enough talent to face qyality bowlers in SA.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Raj India on Dec 08, 2010 04:31 PM
The following are the Scores of Rahul Dravid against SA. 11, 62, 0, 21, 31, 16, 8, 50, 53, 33, 84, 54, 9*, 30, 17, 36, 73, 3, 79, 8, 26, 58, 1, 54, 71*, 77, 49, 8, 10, 6, 78*, 18, 63, 74, 2, 36
Now pls tell me, how u got his average as 51 against SA??? :) (Courtesy - cricinfo)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by aravind varma on Dec 08, 2010 04:20 PM
OK SACHIN IS TALENTED.BUT SOMETIMES HE STRUGGLES AT CRUNCH GAMES.PATIENCE&TEMPREMENT ARE REQUIRED AT FOREIGN SOIL.
Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 08, 2010 04:08 PM
But what about average of father d-h-bi? can he ever score century in SA in any format of game even after playing 100 matches. answer is big no.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Jaya S on Dec 08, 2010 04:12 PM
@Ashish. Dhoni brings value to the team. He is the captain. Brearley played only for his captaincy although he would not merit a place in the team. Dhoni is more than that. He at least keeps wickets and is the best Wicket Keeper batsman in the world after Sanga. How many keepers bat better than him in World Cricket?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by akash mhatre on Dec 08, 2010 04:20 PM
please see his last 20 innings and you'll get the answer. also sachin was the man who suggested dhoinis name for captainship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by NIKHIL BHAGWAT on Dec 08, 2010 04:47 PM
jayaa..u r the only fool to chat here. Please dont compare tendlya with captain fool dhoni. U will realise sachin's value one's he retires. Without sachin,rahul and vvs, dhoni cant even win a single test.Not even n india. Dhoni wouldn't play international cricket in any other country except india. Even bangladesh would kick him out. Lucky captain thats it. Waste batsman.so he picks blady ravindra jadeja to hide his performance.
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Against Pseudos on Dec 09, 2010 07:26 AM
Jaya S:
Nice to see that you at least are getting closer to the meaning of the word "average"... ;-)
BTW, who told you that the average of 39 is bad?
If you think this reply is an abuse then you gotta go again to your psychiatrist.... he sure would have been getting good business from you, of late... eh? :)
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 08, 2010 04:06 PM
Jaya S, you are absolutely correct. But these blind sachin fantatics will never understand. they always run away from truth. always prefer to live in their dreamworld and afraid to face reality.
Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Jaya S on Dec 08, 2010 04:10 PM
@ Sunil. I really don't care about Armchair praisers. They know nothing about the game except worshipping the midget rat Sachin and his records.
Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Against Pseudos on Dec 09, 2010 07:34 AM
Jaya S:
But apparently Sunil Vaidya likes Armchair Haters who know nothing about the game except blindly hating Sachin as if the runs he scored were added to Antarctica's score all the time... ;-)
Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by NIKHIL BHAGWAT on Dec 08, 2010 04:53 PM
he might have failed sometimes..but once he retires it will take years to recover for indian team.dhoni will lose the matches and his place in team for poor performance. He should atleast learn to bat well to save his place.but thats impossible as he s such a third class batsman. U and jaya join him later.he may chat with u people in rediff then....
Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 08, 2010 05:00 PM
nikhil why are you so hellbent on showing your ignorance about cricket in this forum. just go and have a chat with sachin, dravid, laxman etc. about dhoni and hopefully they will remove your misconceptions about dhoni's batting and captaincy.
of course you being so resolute and stubborn you may abuse them also when they tell how good dhoni is.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Against Pseudos on Dec 09, 2010 07:37 AM
Sunil Vaidya:
Why are YOU hellbent on showing your ignorance about cricket on this forum?
Just go and have a chat with Viv Richards, McGrath, Warne, Akram, Ponting, Boycott, Lara, Hayden, Jayasuriya, Dravid, Botham, Kapil, Gavaskar, Dhoni and whoever else you think knows "something" about cricket and hopefully they will remove your misconception about Sachin's cricketing abilities...
Of course you being so resolute and stubborn you may abuse them also when they tell you how good Sachin is.. :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 09, 2010 01:36 PM
Pseudo:
just visit the page where on this site where they have given the 10 instances when we have made over 300 runs while chasing successfully. i have given details of those 10 chases and dhoni's and sachin's stats during those 10 games....;-)
there you can compare sachin with other seniors and youngistan players performances in those 10 chases...;-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 09, 2010 01:34 PM
Pseudo:
I dont think Viv Richards, McGrath, Warne, Akram, Ponting, Boycott, Lara, Hayden, Jayasuriya, Dravid, Botham, Kapil, Gavaskar, Dhoni and whoever else you think knows "something" about cricket have said that sachin has good nerves and does not crumble under pressure. I dont think that any one of them has said that sachin is a good finisher and you can depend on him to stay till the finishing line in crisis situations ...;-)
Yes i do agree with you that he is king of good times and makes merry at such times...;-)
for example take the match where while chasing 350 sachin made 175 and got out when the finishing line was so near. as usual it was a case of so near yet so far in case of sacin. sachin just crumbles under pressure. he flatters to deceive. he is not a finisher. he raises false hopes and gets out leaving the job undone. he loses steam/momentum when the finishing line is near and gets exhausted and falls down before crossing it. he knew there were not many wickets left and he should have finished the match. but he didn't/couldn't. and that was not surprising at all. if instead of sachin it was somebody like dhoni, yuvraj, raina, gambhir, kohli you could bet your last penny that they would have stayed till the end and saw india past the finishing line...;-)
Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 08, 2010 04:29 PM
ashishkumar, i suppose greats like sachin, sehwag, dravid, laxman, zaheer also have low IQ according to you as these players also have tremendous admiration and respect for dhoni's batting and captaincy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 08, 2010 04:34 PM
No great players has respect for medicore dhoni ability. All great players including ex have praiase only for greats like match winners sachin, dravid, laxman,sehwag, zaheer, kumble etc & not for politician dhoni. Only regional fanatics like u who talks without facts can have respect for politician dhoni
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 08, 2010 05:09 PM
ashishkumar, get hold of interviews of sachin, dravid, laxman etc. where they have praised dhoni's batting and captaincy.
indeed sachin himself is said to have recommended dhoni's name for captaincy so impressed he was with dhoni' batting and his cricket knowledge and acumen.
i suppose according to you sachin also does not understand cricket and he had evil in his mind when he recommended dhoni's name for captaincy?
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by sanjeev on Dec 08, 2010 05:26 PM
hey jaya i have read all comments but tell me one thing only do u have any better batsman than sachin give answer: why ponting ,lara fails in INDIA why kallis fails in NEWZEALAND WHY steve waugh fails in Newzealand are they not great players why r u not writing abt them i know u can not answer but sachin will give answer to people like u with his bat only(that he knows) so just wait & watch
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by ASHISH KUMAR on Dec 08, 2010 03:58 PM
39 averge in SA is very good. But waht about your flat track bulley friends like d-h-obi, raina, gambhir,kohli, raina, sehwag etc. Their average will be less than 10. What u are refering is true for dho-bi & his friends. sachin along with laxman/dravid are the olnly capable batsman who can score some runs on SA/Australia pitches. Same has happened in past also. medicore like ganguly, dhongi, raina, gambhir etc will never able to score on those pitches. If you want to see break dance- just see dho-bi batting against styen on SA pitches. D-h-obi has never sacored even a fifty on overseas pitches forget about 100. But then u being a dho-bi ghaat supporter needs some brain to undersatnd it. BTW everyone knows what is IQ level of any dho-bi ghaat supporter
Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 08, 2010 04:15 PM
ashishkumar, everyone knows YOUR IQ level which is in high negative. something like: -100000000000....
Indeed 'flat track bullies' like dhoni, raina, gambhir, sehwag, yuvraj, yusuf pathan etc. were responsible for bringing 1st T20 WC which was held in south africa. thankfully sachin was not taken. otherwise it would have been probably bye bye WC. it would have been very difficult with an liability like sachin to win that T20 WC.
Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by aravind varma on Dec 08, 2010 04:22 PM
hey india's t20 victory in 2007 was a fluke.actually pakistan deserved it.it is evident from their performance in 2009&2010.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 08, 2010 04:56 PM
aravind varma, then in that case our 1983 world cup victory was also a fluke because after the WC West indies came to india in Nov -Dec 1983 and whitewashed us in the one day series.
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by ajay kumar on Dec 08, 2010 03:59 PM
have u checked dravid's average of 34 and Ricky pointing average of 36 before commenting?
Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Jaya S on Dec 08, 2010 04:03 PM
@ Ajay Kumar. Ponting averages 54.18 playing Tests in South Africa which is close to his career average. He averages 48 playing ODI against SA which is better than his career average. Pls check Cricinfo :)
Re: Re: Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Raj India on Dec 08, 2010 04:07 PM
But, Ponting is familiar with the conditions in SA and he is well accustomed to play in fast tracks. But, what abt pontings average in India??? He has just 3 fifty plus scores in India...
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by niteesh baranwal on Dec 08, 2010 03:55 PM
dude dont want to say anything to guys like u....we knw wat sachin is,,and d world knw dat thing too....
so u enjy...people like u cant even damage d reputation of shadow of sachin
Re: Time for Sachin to hide
by Raj India on Dec 08, 2010 04:30 PM
The following are the Scores of Rahul Dravid against SA. 11, 62, 0, 21, 31, 16, 8, 50, 53, 33, 84, 54, 9*, 30, 17, 36, 73, 3, 79, 8, 26, 58, 1, 54, 71*, 77, 49, 8, 10, 6, 78*, 18, 63, 74, 2, 36
Now pls tell me, how u got his average as 51 against SA??? :) (Courtesy - cricinfo)
