Re: Wish you all the best
by senthil kumaran on Sep 29, 2009 03:51 PM
I THINK THEY WONT TAKE ANY THING FROM ANYBODY. MOST OF THE TEAM HAVE SPIRIT AND THEY TRY TILL AT THE END. BUT INDIAN TEAM IS PLAYING FOR MONEY ONLY AND THEY HAVE NO SPIRIT AND THEY DONT TRY ANY THING TO WIN.ONLY ONE IDEA WILL MAKE THEM PLAY. IF BCCI ANNOUNCES THAT MONEY WILL BE GIVEN TO THE PLAYERS WHO ARE ALL PERFORMING ONLY. NO MONEY TO NON PERFORMERS.
We really missed out an genuine all-rounder, Irfan was doing it very nicely in no 6 slot and anytime we have a chance of promoting him, but the hell politics made him out and RP and veteran or oldie Nehra came in…… this situation made by Dhoni and full blames to him for the big lose…. And we can expect even more in next game …. I think Dhoni is not interested in all-rounders and that’s the reason even Nair also waiting out even was the highest run getter in practice match ……… through Dhoni form captaincy
Guys get ur facts right,pak did beat us once before this one in ICC tournaments,that was in Champions Trophy in England 2004 where Mohd Yousuf was the man of the match..they won chasing. Pak has a better head to head records and won everywhere including India,Toronto,AUS,Sharjah everywhere,but WCUPS they havent beaten us,but that might change too at this rate...cause they are getting to know how to handle pressure by playing it cool
Re: Pak has beaten us before in ICC trophies
by Rajesh Tiwari on Sep 28, 2009 01:24 PM
Yes Raman, This wasn't the first time they bet us. I don't knw why everyone keeps talkin about this been the first time. They chased 200 against us in 2004 England. Somehow all my fellow countrymen have erased that match from their memories altogether. We have bet them in worldcups and thats it.
Re: Re: Pak has beaten us before in ICC trophies
by Ganesh Narasimhan on Sep 29, 2009 09:18 AM
To be more Precise, India have never beaten Pakistan in Champions Trophy (1st 3 Edition was knock out) we did not met pakistan, and in 2004 we lost.
I just saw a article in cricketnext dot com in which Dhoni has said he didnt use Sachin as a bowler cause his shoulder is injured and dont want to aggravate it as we needed him as a batsmen(little does Dhoni realize that while chasing stiff targets its a foregone conclusion that sachin would flop)...how many of u here think he will take another injury break to prolong his career till 2011 wcup or is it 2015(u sachin fans want)
Re: Sachins shoulder is injured
by Gugga on Sep 28, 2009 12:06 AM
Sachin's this side was revealed by the great Khan Imran in 2005-6 series. Everyone was flabbergasted how can Imran say that. Even the never letting you go Navjot singh had said "what ever the great man has said I agree" When they went into stats it was revealed that Tendu in second innings is not that great as Inzi Gavaskar are. Inzi has lead pak to win more than Tendu has done for India. Tends is a big man big player but still is a player. You can get titles like Blaster but if alone they can win you matches then india should have won 2003 2007 WC but its not the case. Dont immune Tendu and The Walls hostage your cricket! Wasim gone Waqar gone but has that lead to decline? no Guls Tanvirs Aamirs have come to the arena. Shoiab not there did not effect reason consider them a bowler not rawalpindi express cause tommorow you might get a Lahore express, a Peshawar express!
Re: Re: Sachins shoulder is injured
by Raman Shiva on Sep 28, 2009 01:08 AM
Sachin has played in 5 wcups and never did what Inzi did,plus Inzi coming late down the order has scored more than 11000 runs and most of his runs are match winning ones.. Lara Inzi are all match winners,even De Silva,Martin crowe,Miandad,VIV Richards all were known to play under pressure and take their team home..
Sachin and Jayasurya and even Saeed Anwar for that matter all were good in scoring when batting first...thats all..
Re: Re: Sachins shoulder is injured
by purush on Sep 29, 2009 09:07 AM
hmm..dude, u can laugh now because ur team has won..ok, good, congrats. But trust me man, with ur attitude you wouldnt be able to take it easily when Pakistan loses matches tomorrow..As you know Pakistan is the most inconsistent team ever, the produce lovely innings and bowling performances and sometimes appear as jokers. Well you know it and I know it so I guess you are just enjoying the moment with a hidden g_r_enade. geeee.
Rahul's contribution to the Indian cricket has been immense so far.But now he doesn't fit into the current scheme of things. In the context of the match yesterday he played the role of an enemy within. He has been occupying the crease and without rotating the strike. Gautam was going great guns and 303 was looking a cake walk. When Gautam was in such a sublime form Rahul was struggling to rotate strike and this created frustation with Gautam. Couple of times he did not respond to quick singles. It is common sense when your partner is striking the ball so well just take a single and be at non-striker end. Dravid failed misearably in this role. I will go to the extent of blaming Rahul responsible for creating pressure on Virat Kohli by not taking quick singles and rotating strike. A player is usless after player most part of the innings and still doesn't make impact on the result of the match in positive way. This indian team had reached the number ONE spot not playing the way Dravid plays, but playing fearless cricket. It is time Dravid gracefully gets out of the One day indian squad and makes way for the guys who wins matche after played most part of the innings. Lets move on and bring the guys who can turn on the matches from any position.
Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of the defeat
by Sashi Rao on Sep 28, 2009 01:54 PM
Hey! who had the top score ? His role is that of an anchor, if you know what it means? So that's Dravid for you. Other than Gambhir and Raina , who made any runs at all that day ? Would you say that just swinging your bat without assessing the situation is positive cricket !!!
Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of the defea
by mahendra mohapatra on Sep 29, 2009 10:32 AM
Anchor is to bind the boat not to shrink the boat, what dravid does here. He doesn't fit in Oneday squad either. If you live with him, in that case keep him down the order like 4/5th not above that. It clear can seen that he is not able to time the ball at all, after playing a so long innings. Not only strike rotate he has to look for the target also. Laying over the pitch can't let you win the match. If you want to win such big score you definitely put some positive attitude and hunt for the run. You always can't put everything on your partner. Some odd-boundaries will definitely help. What feels bat regarding darvid he just trying to posses the team and providing bowler the ample time to settle up, which causing all partner in pressure. I should called dravid is good for test, he is a great stupid mistake if he plays in one-day. He doesn't posses match winning capabilities. Keep him aside is the best thing. Still we can't skip bowling. Bowling is terrible, all bowler felling to their caliber. Hope everybody agrees this.
Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of the defea
by Virtual Insider on Sep 27, 2009 09:27 PM
Rahul Dravid was thinking that its a test match...and scored so....
Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of the d
by Gugga on Sep 27, 2009 10:05 PM
Virtual I loved your comments. Another reason is that the iconic status given to the indian players. there are master blasters, The Wall, The turbanator, the prince of calcutta. The fame is another damn, after T20 and IPL these guys are like wow you can have 10 gals on your side but the Pakistani team doesn't have that. The guys are new, have to make a mark and play valiantly. No adds no fashion shows no relations with filmstars. that even Wasim Waqar did not have. but in india a player like Rohit Sharma is a god of cricket.Tendu is so immune that even the PM of India cannot axe him.
Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of the defea
by Mature Stud on Sep 27, 2009 10:01 PM
Paki never sid they will win. They said they deserve to win now after loosing every game against India in ICC events.
Dravid played to perfeaction holding up his end. Blame it on Kohli for unnecesory bravado when there were enough runs and plenty of over left when he came to cris. Blame it on Gambhir for beng too kool and running himself out. Blame umpire for rainas decision. Blame it on Pathan for his incompetent in ODIs. Blame it on Dhoni and our Bowlers...
We had plenty of time to win but noby left to support dravid... Period!!
If you're too impressed with them, go become Muslim as they are always trying to convert others..
Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of the d
by Gugga on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM
Stud, Younis is on record saying that I think we can beat india and aussies. Go to cric info and read his interview. Pak is employing laid back strategy. Go in with nothing to loose. India employes different approach, oh we are the number one team what is Pakistan. That cost you. It were you 2 days back that were saying Pak has no chance since they have never won against india in ICC and WI gave them a hard time. results? perish! WI in their match against aussies were awesome. had johnson not played that knock aussies were packing. 250 and WI made 225 the same team that was bowled out to Pak on 133. Its cricket, keep it there, none is number one. Everyone comes to win!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of t
by Mature Stud on Sep 27, 2009 10:43 PM
Gugga, Yes he said that but that wasn't Guarantee like what that Blogger 'Virtual Insider' thinks. As a captain, one gotta be optimistic and that's what Younis did? Hey even Dhoni and Gary Kirsten said they can win the Champions Trouphy..
If you would have ask WI captain before this tournament, he would said the same that they're capable of beating other three in their group..
That blogger Virtual is simply degrading India and Hindu with his misinterpretations and understanding. With such inferior complex he should better convert to Muslism..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of t
by Prabodh Jain on Sep 27, 2009 11:06 PM
The What? Read what that guy is saying first. He is saying 'Pakistani's told that they would win and they did win.'.. Do you know/understand what does that mean? That means Pakistan declared openenly they're going to defeat India... Did Pakistan ever do that? NO
What Yunish said has nothing do with what Virtual Insider is saying.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause of t
by Raman Shiva on Sep 27, 2009 10:30 PM
We dont deserve to be called Number one team at all,we havent won a wcup since 1983 compared to AUS who won it 4 times,and we are not at all consistent,unless we stop idol worshiping our players and hyping people like sachin to god status and the only great batsmen in the world,we wont improve...there is no vision.players focus only on individual records and the ones who dont do that dont get any recognition...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rahul Dravid is the architect and root cause
by Gugga on Sep 28, 2009 12:14 AM
@ Mature Man he did say that they will beat India. So saying that it was their will to do it. India having in their psyche that we are number one and Pak has never beaten us in ICC did not do what? yes WORK. The opposite pakis did! They had to prove the point. Even Aamir said before the match that he would love to get Tendu and has a plan. Didnt he get him? Blaster taken by a meagre 19 year old. Whose age is total to the the blasters time spent on the field! Theres no god in cricket, had there been then Imran Khan, Gavaskar Miandad Wasim Waqar precede Tendu in claiming that!
Gambir and Kohli contributed enough in this defeat. Gambhir was playing so well and got bit coky and ran himself out. If he would have been down to the earth at that moment and done basics right, he still would have been there kicking pakis.
Kohli had enough time to settle and keep scoring singles. The run rate was good and plenty of overs on hand. Guess what, this undisciplined arrogant kid went for glory right away and skied simple catch.
Gambhir is exceptional cricketer and Kohli has lots of potential. They both need to control their arrogance and need to stay disciplined. Kohli already had few disciplinary issues during his under19 campaign..
Re: Too Kool Attitudes from Delhities
by Ankit Kumar on Sep 27, 2009 09:05 PM
Gambhir was frustrated by Dravid not giving him strike.. nd kohli too was pressurized by the same... The only reason dis match looked pathetic was bcause of dravid... the wall came in between india's victory
Re: Re: Re: Too Kool Attitudes from Delhities
by Gugga on Sep 27, 2009 10:11 PM
Arrogance eft Aamir Sohail packing in the QF against india in 1996. That left india packing yesterday!
Re: Re: Too Kool Attitudes from Delhities
by Mature Stud on Sep 27, 2009 10:10 PM
Ohh Please.... Gambir and Dravid were cruising well and looked like India would win so easily. If you had seen it live you would have noticed shear arrogance and over confidence in Gambhir, especially after he scored 50.
Kohli played 24 balls out of 45 balls stand with Dravid. What made you think Dravid wasn't giving him strike? Blame those who screwed up then blaming player who fought out and held to his end to allow other play freely at the other end..
Re: Re: Re: Too Kool Attitudes from Delhities
by santhosh on Sep 28, 2009 01:06 PM
Any player who stand more than 40 ball, might have read the pitch and should start hitting the ball..that too chasing like 300 is not simple..But Dravid has put pressure every new batsman coming to picth..he should have take the responsibility of hitting rather than just rotation the strike and giving it to new batsmen.70 out of 105 is shame..on chasing 303 out of 300 balls
Re: Re: Re: Re: Too Kool Attitudes from Delhities
by mahendra mohapatra on Sep 29, 2009 10:22 AM
I am more than 100% agree. What I believe dravid shouldn't come on 1down He don't deserve that position. It's better to keep him for 4th down. Everybody knows he don't have match winning capabilities. Still he doesn't know difference between oneday and test match. Anyway if u bound to leave with him then push him 4 or 5th down in high scoring match. Preserving wicket doesn't give u win where as run can. Playing so long on the pitch and not able to rotate strike not justified, besides Raina come an blister a 46 run. It shows dravid in capabilities. Keep him lower the order other-wise we will loose every high-scoring chase. He is not shoot for One-day, if possible keep him for test only.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Too Kool Attitudes from Delhities
by indianview on Sep 28, 2009 02:22 PM
Haa haa ... u r an idiot... Go n tell this to so called northie pacers... nothing is left in our bowlers .. u r jealous since RD is back into team and doing well ... why dont u blame STendulkar, Dhobi.... did u see his field placements .. even a gully cricket team can score 300 ... Haa Haa.. Go n let a Life
