No point in trying to say aussies could have won or should have won.
Aussies like to bully everyone but can't accept defeat sportingly.
Look at what Bhajji' refusal to submit to aggression from Symmo has done to his mental health. Symmo was the number one aggressor on the field foul mouthing & sledging every other team. One Bhajji returned to him in the same coin and he has gone berserk since than.
When Aussie team was on a winning juggernaut, Punter Ponting was so arogant that he did not even think twice before pushing a country's minister & Cricket Administrator Boss from the stage in the stupor of victory. When INDIA trampled on them they could not recover at all. They are still struggling to come to terms with the reality. Aussies are ungracious in defeat. DAYS OF AUSSIE DOMINATION OF CRICKET ARE OVER. Come on warnie, aussies must come to terms with reality.
Re: AUSSIES ARE CRY BABIES
by Arjun bharatiya on Sep 17, 2009 04:38 PM
Michael Slater face off with Dravid, Mcgrath face off with Sarawan, Kumble Vs Ponting, Bhajji Vs Symmo..example after example, time and again it is seen that aussies are cribbers, wingers and loosers. Aussies like to bully but cant handle a rebuke.
Re: Re: AUSSIES ARE CRY BABIES
by Krish Venkat on Sep 17, 2009 05:27 PM
so you think the indian cricketers are saints and Aussies are arrogant. You know something the great Bhajji's recordd of arrogant behaviour is well known He had seven incidents before Symonds one. Why to talk about Aussies his slapping his own team mate Srisanth is world known. I don't think there is any arrogant and rude cricketer like this sardar in Aussie team. Look don't blabber just because they have lost it is only interim. Talking about shoving minister away-first thing the minister should not be standing there when the cup had been handed over to the team. He wanted to pose for photograph and he got a bit hit by the excited players nothing to whing about it mate. After this Ponting apologised- do you think any indian player would ever apologise for his mistakes. The Bhajji incident was just blown up by the indian team and the media in a typical indian way and they got away as well. WHen symonds was booed in Indian by the whole crown and monkey chanting- he didn't make any fuss about it. Do we have that kind of grace and where were you and the media at that time. Did you condemm the crowd and did the indian players condemn the incidents the whole thing went unnoticed as it was terrible shame for indians and the poor aussies also left it rather they need to learn the blowing up tricks from Indian players perhaps....
Re: Re: Re: AUSSIES ARE CRY BABIES
by Lotiya Pathan on Sep 18, 2009 04:37 AM
THE WHAT?? Grace and Aussie? Are you watching the same game that rest of the world do?
Blaming Indian Crowd when Aussie crowd abused Indian spectators in Melborne and called them' Curry Muncher'.."f___ Gandhi' etc etc.
Look don't blabber just because your beloved Aussies have lost it...
Hey Indians aren't saint but they're no where close to where Aussie level in arrogance and unsportsmanship. You admit or not but Indians get reported and Aussie escapes untouched doing the same act.
Hey Harbhajan was proven not guilty and clearly proven that Symond started the whole episode and Ponting blew it out of proportion. The results? Bhajji got fined and suspended, where as Symond went on untouched..
Guess who is out of the game now cause of his gentlemanly behavior..it's Symond..HAHA
Re: AUSSIES ARE CRY BABIES
by ganessin virappin on Sep 18, 2009 05:13 AM
I agree with you. Clearly Aussies domination is over. They are good team now. They used to be great team but nomore. Other teams can beat them now.
Re: Re: Re: AUSSIES ARE CRY BABIES
by ganessin virappin on Sep 18, 2009 06:03 PM
I agree with you. Aussies played very well in the ODI series and they are deserving winners as for as this ODI series is concerned.
Aussies hate to lose. Even during Bill lawry's times when the arrival on Gundappa Viswanath signalled a better Indian batting team, that could fight and win matches, lawry was crying sour grapes. It was the same with Lloyd's WI team. When they won a test all was fair. When they lost, he would be quick to point to umpiring errors etc.. Maybe, being a strong team it was doubly hurtful losing to sides like India.. same goes for England I guess. The current England team is not consistent at all, and their players are too soft to last in harsh / foreign environments.. break down easily... they were lucky to win the Ashes this time. Good for the Aussies to get a kick in their pants, once in a while.
Re: Aussies are not graceful losers
by Against Pseudos on Sep 17, 2009 01:38 PM
Cric Fan
You rightly said "Current England team is not consistent at all, and their players are too soft to last.... break down easily... they were lucky to win the Ashes..."... etc..
At least some one on this forum apart from me agrees with Shane Warne..... :)
Re: Re: Aussies are not graceful losers
by ganessin virappin on Sep 18, 2009 05:16 AM
Aussies are no more world beaters they used to be. Shane Warne should come out of his dream. Aussies are good team now not great team they once were. That is history.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Aussies are not graceful losers
by ganessin virappin on Sep 18, 2009 06:08 PM
"Wrong team won the Ashes" is uncalled for. Shane Warne(Aussies) should show maturity to accept defeat in the right spirit. Victory and defeat are part of the game.
Re: Re: Aussies are not graceful losers
by Lotiya Pathan on Sep 18, 2009 04:33 AM
You know what? England won it and they defeated aussie not once but Twice.
There is nothing wrong in the statement followed by Shane Warne..........:) The reason being is that England are actually a weak team. Ocassionaly they have come up with their performances and as usual they are "inconsistent". Australias downfall has started just now and this is quite common after certain period of time as each team faces this bitter truth.
I am no more Aussi supporter and I 2 dislike Aussies and their players for their behaviour on and off the field........but one can not deny the fact they are the one who have won the world cup 3 times and their winning rate is quite higher than any other teams.......be it at their home or at any other location.
Have ever England won any world cup or any major tournaments most of the time(leaving some exceptions) ?? These are the bitter facts one need to admit irrespecitve one may dislike or like it.
Warne said the one-day results added weight to his argument that the Australians were the better side in the Ashes and should not have lost the series. Maybe Eng is a weak side according to Warne, but the fact is they managed to defeat Aus twice and rain saved Aus in one match. Uisng that same logic, the same can be said about Aus. Moreover, it doesnt matter whether the weaker team won. All that matters is the team that played best won. So his statement that Eng didnt deserve to win Ashes is not right.
Re: Re: Ashes win
by mahabhasya on Sep 17, 2009 08:35 AM
AgainstPsuedos I didnt mention anything about the Sydney test or Rediff's headline. His 'Well Played' acknowledgement doesnt mean he has to say the right team did not win Ashes.. Read my comment properly and then try to understand what I am saying..
Re: Re: Re: Ashes win
by Against Pseudos on Sep 17, 2009 08:45 AM
Mahabhasya
He said the right team did not win, BUT he acknowledged England's win. That is more important. And by the way, Australia weren't saved by the rains as you pointed out. It was England at Cardiff.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ashes win
by mahabhasya on Sep 17, 2009 09:15 AM
Agreed abt Cardiff, but I was referring to the third test. I agree he acknowledged Engs win, but the team that played the best won the ashes. And why does he think Eng was not the right team to win Ashes. After all Eng had won it in 2005.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ashes win
by Against Pseudos on Sep 17, 2009 10:53 AM
Mahabhasya
a) OK. You are free to predict an England win in the third test, but then please counterbalance it against the Cardiff test, which Australia truly dominated in addition to truly dominating the Headingley test. England won crucial sessions in Lord's and the Oval, and the timing of their performance mattered the most (which is what Warne is saying too. Look at the series statistics and you'll know what he means.)
b) I said THIS meaning the Current England team coz you started off on your 2005 dreamware. With an exception of a few players, isn't the ODI team essentially the same as their Test team?.... You may think otherwise, but most cricket followers might feel different.
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion as I said in the past.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ashes win
by mahabhasya on Sep 17, 2009 10:03 AM
I predicted it becoz Eng had dominated most of the match except for the last day. And why does Warne think THIS Eng team is not the right one. From his logic, its becoz Eng is a weak side as they are lost the one day series which I feel is not right.
Somehow Australians can't digest a loss. Won or lost, they think they are the best. Not surprised by his comments as 90% of Australians think that way. Come in terms with the world. Your good old days are gone =)
BTW, this same attitude is triggering racist attacks against Indians in Australia. The so called third worls countries are going to take over the sports scene as well. See, a Jamaican is world's fastest runner; an Argentinian lad picked up the U.S Open, so on and so forth..
Shame on you, Warne ! Have good sportsman spirit before becoming a sportsman. Accept defeat when you lost and celebrate when you win.
Re: Can't digest a loss !
by fink fanther on Sep 17, 2009 08:00 AM
I think Warne is forgetting that the Aussies played really poor cricket at times. England might have been lucky, but that doesnt mean they did not deserve to win the Ashes. England deserved to win the Ashes as much as the Aussies deserved to lose it for all the poor cricket they played, if you know what I mean.
Re: Re: Can't digest a loss !
by Against Pseudos on Sep 17, 2009 08:16 AM
FF
a) Warne does acknowledge that England played well b) His comments actually indicate exactly what you said, that Aussies were inconsistent - hence lost to a weaker English side...
Re: Re: Re: Can't digest a loss !
by fink fanther on Sep 17, 2009 08:27 AM
yes he does say well played, and that is good. and yes, sydney 2008 is long gone and should be buried in memories. india did act like spoilt babies in that test. But Warne's statement has a hint of sarcasm, and that i think is a bit over the top.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Can't digest a loss !
by Against Pseudos on Sep 17, 2009 08:31 AM
FF
Completely agree with you. More than sarcasm, it is actually frustration. Which clearly comes out of his statement ""I suppose the hardest thing for all us Australians was to watch them play and lose to England.."
Re: Re: Can't digest a loss !
by Akbar on Sep 17, 2009 05:41 AM
@Against Pseudos - don't think you are the only smart one here. The whole world witnessed what happened in the sydney test.
Re: Lollz
by anas be on Sep 17, 2009 12:53 AM
This is the in born character of the Australians,where they will not accept the defeat.Where this warne has gone during the test series.Indians for sure will teach them a lesson in CT.
Re: Lollz
by anas be on Sep 17, 2009 12:53 AM
This is the in born character of the Australians,where they will not accept the defeat.Where this warne has gone during the test series.Indians for sure will teach them a lesson in CT.
Re: Re: Re: Lollz
by Akbar on Sep 17, 2009 05:45 AM
Do you think you and mr. warnie are very intelligent and whoever reading this post are a**h----. 90% of the time he said england team is BS and finally he says well-played. You are the one who doesn't understand or atleast pretending that way. Its like sheeeeting on a person and finally giving him a tissue to clean up. Get some life dude. Try and learn some sporting spirit and teach your OZ folks to behave professionally and respect the opposition players.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Lollz
by Against Pseudos on Sep 17, 2009 07:31 AM
Akbar
You too do the same ..... but you don't even say "well played" at the end...... :)
BTW, when are you planning to forget what happened in Sydney?..... Stop seeing the world through a single match window etched forever in your memory..... :)
Similar situation was faced by Australians in Lord's this year, but their reaction to it was completely different......
But again, I cannot control the way you think and you are free to consider anyone as the most sporting and anyone as the least...... Cheers!!... :)
What an atrocious comment. England won it fairly and squarely. Aussies have been most disgraceful team history suggests. In fact they have been the wrong team to win on most of the occasions. Most of their victories have come due to their non cricketing talents like mental disintegration, on-field sledging, intimidating the umpires and shear cheating. Don't believe me? watch Sydney test of India's previous Australia tour. And that test is just one of the hundreds of other occasions where they managed to win by hook and crook against all the countries.
Re: Wrong Team
by righty rightwinger on Sep 17, 2009 12:42 AM
the australians also had very good players from 1999-2009....this is a case of sour grapes when india couldn't even play to the level of the aussies.
Re: Re: Wrong Team
by Rajeev Kumar on Sep 17, 2009 01:53 AM
If Aussies had very good players (which I agree), why do they have to sledge and mentally disintegrate the opposition. Why not win matches purely using cricketing talent? Ironically when the opposition payed them in their own coins they were sore loosers.
Re: Wrong Team
by agnelo pereira on Sep 17, 2009 01:15 AM
enough of tht sydney test v all knw n wht abt other test whn their players were also given out whn not out take pontings LBW decision to harbhajan he had clearly nick the ball on his pads its a game some decisions does goes against u even in england they had some bad decisions but they never complaint but v indians keep on talking tht sydney test time n again n abt warnes comments he did say read last line tht well played england bcoz they won it
