Dear all, a match is not won by single player only it not tennis, its cricket other 10 also have to contribute, Australian win every game not just becuase ricky score century, at the same time Hussy score fifty or clark score fifty or Watson scor(earlier there were Haydon,Gilcrist and Symonds) also bowlers take wickets Johnson or lee, or Bollinger or Watson or t=other bowler take more than 3 wickets at economy less than 4 so they win, in In India Sachin is bring India to the finals and fail in final dur to out bad luck(No body purposefully fail at least the player of sachins talent).
In India bowlers give away runs at rate of 7 per over and other batmen fail and we drop 3 catches a match and give away 50 more run due to poor fielding.
how do you expect to win , sachin is so great people expect him to make win in spite of all these bad conditions in the team.
it 11 player game in Australia all batmen have avg of above 40 and bowler have average of below 25, fielding is awesome , what about India?
Re: Sachin and Indian cricket
by Happy Indian on Nov 15, 2009 07:46 AM
Many people have tried to explain the same thing to those sachin-haters. BUt looks like they don't use their brain to think so no use.
question 1)Why india has not won worl cup in past 20 years ?
ANS) Most no of man of the match awards in world cup Name Matches Awards Team SR Tendulkar 36 8 India GD McGrath 39 6 Australia L Klusener 14 5 South Africa GA Gooch 21 5 England IVA Richards 23 5 West Indies ST Jayasuriya 38 5 Sri Lanka DC Boon 16 4 Australia SK Warne 17 4 Australia SC Ganguly 21 4 India ME Waugh 22 4 Australia BC Lara 34 4 West Indies PA de Silva 35 4 Sri Lanka
do we see any of the other so called "modern greats" indian player ?
Re: Re: Why india has not won world cup in past 20 years ?
by dudeman on Nov 14, 2009 07:39 AM
when india lost even after sachin's 175 he still got the man of the match award... whats the use? his award is of no use unless the team also wins.
question 1 )Critics ask: When ever selfish tendulkar scores a ton india losses ? FACT:india has won 32 matches out of 45 when tendulkar has scored a ton which is a whopping 71%
Q 2)oh is it ? but this useless player should have scored all his 32 match winning centuries against weaker teams like bangla/kenya/zim? FACT: His tons have helped india win 9 times against australia.list is as follows - australia--9, new zealand --5, srilanks -5, kenya -4, zimbabwe-4, west indies-3, south africa-2, pakistan-1 & namibia -1
Q 3) : All most all of his match winning centuries were scored batting first this choker cant score a run while chasing under pressure ?
Fact: Tendulkar has scored 17 tons while chasing a huge score & india has won 15 times ( unbelievable 88 %).some of his most popular innings while chasing , the one against aus in WB series downunder & the one in sharjah , the innings against pakistan in wc,
Q 4)May be this was long time back ,BUt in recent times whenever he has scored a ton we have lost ? FACT:India has won last 4 matches out of 5 when he has scored a century ( 80%)
5 ) UNFAIR CRITICISM: All his Man of the match awards are useless , we end up losing like we did against aus recently ?
FACT: Tendulkar has won 60 MOM's out of which in india has won 54 times (90%), & 8 times he got MOM award in the finals ( Hold ur breath 100 % success rate , all were won ) . APart from this he has be named man of the series 16 times
Re: Sachin has won atleast 54 matches for india !
by Happy Indian on Nov 15, 2009 07:53 AM
Well said man. Many people have tried to explain the same thing to those sachin-haters. BUt looks like they don't use their brain to think so no use.
Young Sachuu angered by the remarks against his batting/captaincy/managerial skills has decided in consultation with Sunny the Great, Robi Shastree etc..that hereafter he will open in the TESTS to prove his great technical skills and will come down at No-5 in ODI to finish the game for India unlike he has done for the past 20 years. Sachin fans…. Cheer up………Come on India………Jaaaaaaaaaaai HOooooooooooooooooo.
Re: Re: The GREAT Tendulkar
by Sajit Kumar on Nov 13, 2009 09:45 PM
FAT headed people do not understand PUNs. Btw , then why is Tendulkar GREAT and what is the Hoopla about ??????
Re: Re: Re: Re: The GREAT Tendulkar
by Sajit Kumar on Nov 13, 2009 10:00 PM
He is a good player, not a great player. Great players players change course of matches and win tournaments just like Ponting. Indian won 85 % of time when Tendulkar made centuries but similar is the case when Ganguly or Dravid has made centuries.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The GREAT Tendulkar
by Against Pseudos on Nov 13, 2009 10:04 PM
Sajit Kumar:
:) Ponting is the worst example you could have given. Australia is perhaps the best well-knit unit that performs as a TEAM. :)
If Doug Bollinger hadn't taken a five-for, Ponting wouldn't have single-handedly won anything. :)
If Glenn McGrath, Warne, Hayden, Gilly hadn't played well, Ponting couldn't have achieved those results that he boasts of as a captain. :)
When Ganguly or Dravid made centuries, India no doubt won. But what makes him special is that Sachin is still making those centuries. And India will still win despite the doom and despair you tried to spread in your original message ("..but no major Indian victories" etc.)
Re: he scored 175
by explorer on Nov 13, 2009 09:30 PM
No. we must keep adding one player per match irrespective of their performance as there are many in the queue and we live in the quota system.
To kids like forrest gump, Sunil Kumar, Arpit Amin, LG and other immature kids
Sachin:- Facts and Myths
Myth 1) He has scored around 17,000 runs and broken all records Detail:- He has played around 440 matches, that comes to around 30 runs per match. Note:- When a batsman remains not out, his average increases thats why Sachin's average is in 40s
Myth 2:- Sachin is god, there is no parallel Detail:- Its all about time. Lets see how many people remember him in 2020. Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev were as popular in their time but no one remembers them today. 'People don't read yesterday's newspaper'
Myth 3:- He is the greatest Detail:- Its criket, not lawn tennis where one person can be great. From 1989( Sachin's debut) till 1996, India was never even amongst the top 3 cricketing nations. It was only after Ganguly and Dravid added to Sachin, that India reached great heights
Myth 3:- Out of 45 centuries, India has won 32 matches.
Detail:- Same goes with Dravid, Yuvraj, Ganguly as when they have made centuries, India has won 85 percent of the times. Also, whenever Dhoni has made a century, India has always won ( 5 times :- 100 percent)
Note:- No one here argues that Sachin is a great player, but calling someone the greatest is childishness and what about others. What about Dravid, Kapil and Ganguly's contributions. Are they ordinary?
Fact:- Sachin is the worst captain India ever got. We lost 67 % of the matches.
Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by vineet patodi on Nov 13, 2009 11:21 PM
Dude ur article was quite apt but I think its all about handling the pressure consistently for such a long time.
Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by explorer on Nov 13, 2009 09:39 PM
Sachin is the player on whom many did research to findout why he is not great. All these people simply accept any other player is great. I can show all the players are worthless with this kind of analysis. Example: Lara performed the best when the team lost Miandad didnt have even one century against Mighty WI team Bradman played only in England and Australia pitches. Arvind Dsilva,Lara and Miandad are the the worst captains. Ganguly is a big plitician and scored centuries against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh etc.His highest score was against weakest team of Srilanka. that itself says he is the greatest.
Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by sachin on Nov 13, 2009 09:43 PM
Good research. That means like all the above players Sachin is also an ordinary player. Good you said it. Also, go for a learn English in 30 days class, or else buy a Wren and Martin.
Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by santosh walanj on Nov 13, 2009 09:06 PM
I realy cant understant whats the problem with people like you...you are a "Frustrated" sole and thus cant see ...this achievement and can't stand this.... And if you talk about the Facts and Myths Please look into details...and check how were Dravid and Ganguly performed when Sachin was Captain...and are they still performing...but Sachin is still there....
But its ok...i can understant ..you must be those kinda people who dont even participate but then will talk late..they should have done this ...that..looses in life..
Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by sachin on Nov 13, 2009 09:29 PM
Walani or jholani.. whatever it is. I am US based so, forget about the frustration part. How did Sachin play when Dravid was the captian? He got out on 0 in the last world cup. What about you? Clapping as the winner go by? Do something in life rather than enjoying others' success
Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by Against Pseudos on Nov 13, 2009 09:07 PM
Un-Sachin:
1) You don't remove the notouts to calculate averages. :) 2) Agreed 3) Agreed 4) Its not a myth. You have accepted it, and said its the same with Dravid etc. etc.
Many great players were not great captains. Thanks for raising this point. :)
Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by amit choudhari on Nov 13, 2009 11:02 PM
Myth 1 : When ever tendulkar scores a ton india losses ? FACT:india has won 32 matches out of 45 when tendulkar has scored a ton which is a whopping 71%
Myth: 2)oh is it ? but this useless player should have scored all his 32 match winning centuries against weaker teams like bangla/kenya/zim? FACT: His tons have helped india win 9 times against australia.list is as follows - australia--9, new zealand --5, srilanks -5, kenya -4, zimbabwe-4, west indies-3, south africa-2, pakistan-1 & namibia -1
Myth 3) : All most all of his match winning centuries were scored batting first this choker cant score a run while chasing under pressure ?
Fact: Tendulkar has scored 17 tons while chasing a huge score & india has won 15 times ( unbelievable 88 %).some of his most popular innings while chasing , the one against aus in WB series downunder & the one in sharjah , the innings against pakistan in wc,
MYTH 4)May be this was long time back ,BUt in recent times whenever he has scored a ton we have lost ? FACT:India has won last 4 matches out of 5 when he has scored a century ( 80%)
Myth5) All his Man of the match awards are useless ? we have lost those matches like we did against aus recently !
FACT: Tendulkar has won 60 MOM's out of which in india has won 54 times (90%), & 8 times he got MOM award in the finals ( Hold ur breath 100 % success rate , all were won ) . All other so called indian greats combined have played close to 1000 matches & n havent won so many matches By Sunil Kumar
Re: Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by sachin on Nov 13, 2009 09:18 PM
If a person plays 1000 in 100 matches, his average should be 10. But in cricket, if you remain not out in 10 innings, your average is taken as 1000/90.. thats why sachin's average is in 40s
Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by vinay patel on Nov 14, 2009 01:46 AM
@ Sachin, Agreed your point of how average is calculated in cricket.
1.Out of436matches, Sachin batted 425 times so that becomes 17178/425, counting NO's it becomes17178/(425-39).
2.Yes,average increases but did you notice out of the 39 NO's sachin has in his career 21 of them came when he opened the innings, that means he either remained NO by reaching the target or innings was interupted cos of rain or any reason(which is no fault of his). I believe we should give him credit for playing more than 30 overs or so.
3.Out of 39NO's only he has been NO only8 times against so called minnows (zim[3],Kenya[3],Bermuda[1] and Bangladesh[1]
4. Out of 436 matches he played, he opened 313 times only with an average of 48.16 P/M and 41 times he batted between postion 5,6 and 7 , where scoring runs is difficult. So usually at those positiosn we look for innings which makes an impact and not gives high avg s.
Dude, understand Cricket is a team sport and tennis is not(leaving doubles out), for a team to win we need two units(batting and bowling) minimum to click. can you name 3 genuine match winning bowlers who perform day in and day out. I can think of only 1 i.e kumble in 1990's.
When ppl regard Sachin as god,I think they don't literally mean it they infact look for inspiration, look @ the younger blokes raina's, kohli's and co they get inspired by him, simiarly there will be millions who take inspiration from him.
Can u tell me in your life time how many ppl have u ins
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by sachin on Nov 13, 2009 09:34 PM
Thats the point, I think if Gilly or Hayden played around 440 matches, they would also make this many runs. Sachin was never dropped however bad he played so he had that luxury as well. Look at this series, after and before making 175, he always got out cheaply. He will play the next big knock now in feb or march.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by Against Pseudos on Nov 13, 2009 09:39 PM
Un-Sachin:
That's NOT the point. :)
IF Gilly or Hayden had played around 440 matches they would NOT have made this many runs. FYI, he has played 4 really really big knocks in the last year. Gilly or Hayden couldn't have done that, hence they retired. :) Look at this series. After making 124, Dhoni always got out cheaply. Yuvi didn't even score 124. WHEN will those YOUNG gentlemen play THEIR next big knock? :)
Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by sachin on Nov 13, 2009 09:14 PM
Thats why I added a note that his average is in the 40s coz he remained not out as well
Re: Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by explorer on Nov 13, 2009 09:44 PM
are u doing the same for other players as well? did u find any great difference? I was playing cricket for the last 10 years. Just because I got out my average was just 10. Otherwise it could be somewhere around 1000 :)
Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by stephen vaz on Nov 14, 2009 01:24 AM
The greatest comliment for sachin is given by dravid, ganguly & kapil and others so ....which makes him greatest of all.
Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by perpoudhe on Nov 13, 2009 08:51 PM
lol.... enlightening.... hopefully people will read this.... and
u forgot to mention the lobby which always backs him in thick and thin.... but always on the contrary in cases of the Dravids and Souravs(and probably many others)....
Re: Re: Sachin:- Facts and Myths
by mandook on Nov 13, 2009 09:13 PM
When Ganguly shone after the great comeback, still he was ignored! But Sachin failed one after the other, and he is retained by Sena lobby. Gavaskar will not utter a sintgle word against Sachin even when the latter performs poorly. So much for fair commentary. Sachin was (is no longer) no doubt an excellent player but there is an age for everyone. Now in an interview Sachin says he will play next ODI international World Cup. He has selected himself, no matter what the Selection Committee would do!