No doubt Dada was a great Captain. He took over captancy when the morale of the Indian team was badly down and it was losing everywhere. He made the team look up with pride and attitude and a lot of the present setup has come up thanks to Dada. On the other hand Dhoni too is very good. He has led from the front and proved himself time and again. He will mature into a a fantastic captain the longer he stays.
Re: Captaincy
by ASHISH KUMAR on Nov 05, 2009 01:41 PM
Both dhoni & dada useless & average player who just survive based on politics. Captaincy hype is created by certain section of biased media & fans. Any captain is as good as his team. If u have many match winners like sachin, sehwag, dravid, laxman,kumble, yuvi,zaheer etc in team & they are in form, u will win the match otherwise u will loose no matter who tom, dick & harry is the captain. Aus team under same captain start loosing once they lost match winners like gilly,hyden,warne, mcgrath etc. Clear example that great player wins the matches & not the captain. In name of captaincy both these dhoni & ganguly cotinue for a long time as non performing player & burden for team. Both players are just overhyped. Though I agree gaguly was a good ODI batsman(except for short pitch delivery) & more talended than dhobi. While dhobi is much more political than even dada.
Re: Re: Captaincy
by Arnab Sen on Nov 05, 2009 02:12 PM
Dude, i guess u dont understand anything of cricket.
Players like Sehwag, Yuvi, Bhajji, Zaheer to name a few, became great under Ganguly's regime. It was ganguly's constant backing that got them to the position that they are in.
That is why all of these adore ganguly.
He always lead fromt he front.
I willa lways remember the 140odd against australia in brisbane on a bouncy track, when everyone else failed in 2001, and that draw that leading from front, showed the way to other Indians to follow suite in the coming games in Adelaide, Melbourne and Sydney.
India would have wont that series had not a Mr. Bucknor wanted to save the series for Steve waugh's last test series.
Re: dad
by ajay shastri on Nov 05, 2009 11:46 AM
bull---sh_it. Dada was a failure -- we lost 2003 world cup only because of his poor decision of batting second -- Aus made 359 runs to chase , he was never good enough to play Fast bowlers -- he was a Media Star -- was available everytime to Aaj-Tak with his experts comments when he was captain
Re: Re: dad
by saurav gupta on Nov 05, 2009 11:52 AM
Hi Buddy I Appreciate your love for dada but we cant compare both captains coz they have different style and i think both are great. For an instance could you give me any example of INDIAN keeper who scored so much and a Captain who won so many series in a continuous manner....
Re: Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 12:05 PM
Mr. Saurav, Dhoni is a good prospect but now it is too early to place him at the same position as Dada. I would love to do that when he overtakes Dada's record as captain, which it appears, he will.
Re: Re: dad
by Vijayan on Nov 05, 2009 12:32 PM
Shastri sahab .... learn some cricket shastra before commenting. 2003 WC group league match India batted 1st against Aussies and were bundled out for 125 runs, and then Aussies won easily. 1999 WC Pakistan batted 1st against Aussies and bundled out for 132 Aussies won the WC final easily then too! So DADA's decision was correct in batting 2nd, only the bowlers failed miserably and Aussies were far far superior than any team at that time. Only a few mediocre West & South Indian Ex- cricketers and reporters propagate this nonsense against DADA - as in front of him others look just a crap!
Re: Re: Re: dad
by ASHISH KUMAR on Nov 05, 2009 01:43 PM
Vijayan -u see a doctor imediately. Both dhoni & dada useless & average player who just survive based on politics. Captaincy hype is created by certain section of biased media & fans. Any captain is as good as his team. If u have many match winners like sachin, sehwag, dravid, laxman,kumble, yuvi,zaheer etc in team & they are in form, u will win the match otherwise u will loose no matter who tom, dick & harry is the captain. Aus team under same captain start loosing once they lost match winners like gilly,hyden,warne, mcgrath etc. Clear example that great player wins the matches & not the captain. In name of captaincy both these dhoni & ganguly cotinue for a long time as non performing player & burden for team. Both players are just overhyped. Though I agree gaguly was a good ODI batsman(except for short pitch delivery) & more talended than dhobi. While dhobi is much more political than even dada.
Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by Vijayan on Nov 05, 2009 02:46 PM
I could not find any relevance in this reply - I dont know whether replying irrelavant is due to lack of education or mental health????
Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 11:56 AM
You can not take away his achievements by spreading hatred against him. He will remain in Cricket history as a prominently successful cricketer and captain. His deficiencies against fast and short bowling are all exaggerations, which is further substantiated by his immaculate record in all forms of the game. An excellent stroke maker, the greatest left-handed batsman of India, a great match winner and a great captain. All these overwhelmingly shadow his deficiencies. Everyone knows that he is not Tendulkar or Mr. perfect like Rahul. But he is and will remain as prominent as them due to his achievements. After retirement also he will be in the limelight because of his articulations which will perhaps overshadow the other two contemporary greats.
Re: Re: Re: dad
by orly amb on Nov 05, 2009 12:27 PM
Its like some guy who built a hut when there were no bricks at all, and now he's proud of the hut in front of sky scrapers. way to go guys, you are progressing.....I think dhoni is a skyscraper and a scrapper meaning fighter for fools who can't understand
Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by Vijayan on Nov 05, 2009 12:35 PM
Oh Oh too much too early ...... Dhoni is just an year or so old in captaincy, let him surpass Sunny bhai, Kapil Bhai, Ajju Bhai first ..... to reach DADA miles and miles to go as a Captain!
Re: dad
by derrick on Nov 05, 2009 12:41 PM
the only thing which needs to appreciated in ganguly as cpatain was he didn't show any regional bias in player selection
Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 01:27 PM
You are a Bengali hater. Over 20 centuries in one dayers and near about 10,000 runs in test cricket were not scored by Dalmia. He is the player who has won the maximum number of man of the match awards in one dayers other than Kapil Dev. Do you know that? He was the person who stood erect to revive the cricket team from vertically down to vertically up.Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Viru and even to some extent Dhoni(he was advised by Saurav to open the innings for East Zone which he agreed and got the result) have been supported by him. He faught with Chandu Borde to retain Yuvraj in the side. He supported Zaheer Khan and Ashis Nehra tremendously. Read their interviews if you get time. In brief, dada can not be disgraced by you timid insects. Time and again he has proved his critics wrong(including Ravi Shastri who was shown the door by Dada when he expressed the desire to be his cricekt agent). But the critics never give up. That is their bread.Let them be thankful to Dada.
Re: Re: Re: dad
by ASHISH KUMAR on Nov 05, 2009 01:50 PM
Mr Roy - donot quote wrong data to mislead people. Sachin has got the maximum MOM records on ODI. 62 MOM in 450 odd matches. Kapil & dada both are no where near sachin in terms of MOM means match winning inning. Donot be so regional in yr approach that u start misleading people in forum. Both dada & dhoni cotribution combined is less than 10% of what sachin has achieved in his career.
Re: Re: Re: dad
by Vijayan on Nov 05, 2009 02:48 PM
Achinta dont get agitated by comments of a few ignorant craps - DADA's greatness should not be fathomed by these filths!
Re: Re: Re: dad
by derrick on Nov 05, 2009 01:36 PM
don generalise comments with any community n thats the problem anything sadi in here against any player is given a regional angle. last 3 years ganguly was a non performing captain. he was part of team merely bcos he was captain n talented players like yuvraj had to sit out of the test playing eleven just bcos ganguly was playing. don u think it was right on his part to continue then
Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 01:57 PM
Derrick, the voice was raised by the Saurav critics that Yuvraj is waiting. Saurav is now history. But tell me seriously has Yuvraj been able to be consistent in test matches till today? He has to learn more of his talents and his capacities which dada taught him to realize. Yuvraj had no performance to remove an elit class player like Saurabh. Do not exaggerate his failures. Tendulkar has also many failures. But they are overshadowed by his successes. So, treat dada in the same way although dada and tendulkar differ in class markedly. But both deserve respect as a national heroe due to their elit performances in their own domains which have been beneficial to the nation. Critcize the way this national heroe was humiliated rather than joining the forum of critics. Remember, even in his last series he was the most successful batsman with a century and a couple of innings in the vicinity of 100. My objection is Dada, despite being a national heroe is not shown respect by a handful of people like you only because some people with executive power, disgraced him mercilessly(he cares a dam for them as dada is recognised in the international forum which is impartial)only because of his association with the weakest zone in general and with Bengal in particular. Since independence, the national cricket management has shown their total apathy on providing opportunities to people of this east zone(read Bengal, Orissa, Assam and now Jharkhand.)Saurav broke all norms.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by derrick on Nov 05, 2009 02:11 PM
when will u get out of that regional mindset think like an indian. i was an ardent fan of ganguly time after he scored century on debut, his performance in toronto against porkis, champoins trophy in nairobi, his spirited captaincy against aussies in historic series win. but everyone will agress his last 3 years as captain n player were just pathetic he didn't contributed a bit n still he was so obssessed with captaincy that he was an extra luggage with the team. just beacuse he is bengali or frm east doesn't mean thats he is at no fault and as ammater of fact when people say that he was given hard deal by selectors they should look the kind of favour selectors have shown to him when he his performance below average. i'm from eastern part of india n i speak bengali well too.
Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 02:26 PM
Competition Test ODI ;FC Matches 113 311 Runs scored 7,212 11,363 Batting average 42.17 41.02 100s/50s 16/35 22/72 Top score 239 183 Balls bowled 3,117 4,561 Wickets 32 100 Bowling average 52.53 38.49 5 wickets in innings 2 4 Best bowling 3/28 5/16
Derrick, I shall be pleased to provide clarifications
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by derrick on Nov 05, 2009 02:37 PM
Dear Achinta Saurav scored 7000 odd runs in test matche not 10000 runs. n sometime statstical datats r misleading we all know wt it means when it comes to ganguly's performance against quality fast bowling attack
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 02:50 PM
Yes Derrick statistical details are misleading. It does not speak of a talented, brave, honest cricekter who could have scored may more runs had he been a bit more selfish and a bit more cautious while playing to create records. Imran Khan said Inzamam is a better player against fast bowling than sachin. No one believed him. No one will believe you also. Get in touch with Suresh Raina who wanted to become a batsman like Ganguly after seeing him hitting Akram straightaway for a six off a straight drive. Gautam Gambhir told Gregg Chappel much to his dislike that his idol is Saurav. These are all published facts.
Apni ki Bangla janen boloon? Proman din. 7000 is near about 10000 read carefully and understand.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 02:29 PM
The columns got displaced. I hope you understand there are two columns test and ODI. Please ignore the column FC
Re: Re: dad
by ASHISH KUMAR on Nov 05, 2009 01:46 PM
I agree mr derrick. Dhoni is most biased & political captain India has ever seen. Will not last much as politics has always got some shelf life.
Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 01:28 PM
You are a Bengali hater. Over 20 centuries in one dayers and near about 10,000 runs in test cricket were not scored by Dalmia. He is the player who has won the maximum number of man of the match awards in one dayers other than Kapil Dev. Do you know that? He was the person who stood erect to revive the cricket team from vertically down to vertically up.Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Viru and even to some extent Dhoni(he was advised by Saurav to open the innings for East Zone which he agreed and got the result) have been supported by him. He faught with Chandu Borde to retain Yuvraj in the side. He supported Zaheer Khan and Ashis Nehra tremendously. Read their interviews if you get time. In brief, dada can not be disgraced by you timid insects. Time and again he has proved his critics wrong(including Ravi Shastri who was shown the door by Dada when he expressed the desire to be his cricekt agent). But the critics never give up. That is their bread.Let them be thankful to Dada.
Re: Re: Re: dad
by ASHISH KUMAR on Nov 05, 2009 01:51 PM
Mr Roy - donot quote wrong data to mislead people. Sachin has got the maximum MOM records on ODI. 62 MOM in 450 odd matches. Kapil & dada both are no where near sachin in terms of MOM means match winning inning. Donot be so regional in yr approach that u start misleading people in forum. Both dada & dhoni cotribution combined is less than 10% of what sachin has achieved in his career
Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 02:09 PM
31 awards of Man of The Match in 311 ODI, seven times man series in 311 matches. ?Sixth on the all time list with 31 man of the match awards. ?He is also the only player to win 4 consecutive man of the match awards in ODIs. ?India's most successful ODI captain. ?First Indian to score an ODI century against Australia in Australia.
These are all published records, I have taken a few. What you say Ashishji.All joke?
Re: Re: Re: Re: dad
by ACHINTA ROY on Nov 05, 2009 02:43 PM
Ashishji I stand rectified. But Saurabh's success has been quite amazing in one dayers in particular. At the very beginning I have clarified that Saurabh and Sachin differ in class. There can not be any comparison so far as batsmanship skills are concerned. But there exists a scope of healthy competition in overall cricketing achievements,but of course Tendulkar is cricket god. Sometimes you have people on this earth who can be compared with gods.
