The situation in Kashmir has been improved a lot. I recently visited kashmir and I was amazed to saw that there is no curfew like situation there. There were many tourist moving freely without any fear. Though, there is securitymen in every nook & corner. So, we shouldnot make wrong notion about Kashmir. When 26/11 happend last year in mumbai, every foreigner started thinking that the Whole India is become unsafe and start fleeing away, but we know that the situation in India is not that bad. In the same way, kashmir sitaution is not that bad. Service team should have been gone there. If they have any security concern, then they should request J&K govt to tighten the security rather that avoiding going there. What type of message we are giving to foreign world. if we start thinking that some part of India in that dangerous place to visit than what will foreign people think of India. They will even avoid coming India
Re: Kashmir is NOT as unsafe as we think.....
by sss on Nov 03, 2009 04:03 PM
Agree with u...i too visited...i went even to gulmarg...and enjoyed the trip. Yes but i cant dare to visit pak nowadays.
Only a couple of days back prepaid mobile connections banned in the J&K & now Services refused to play in valley. The logic is the same security concerns. So it is better for New Delhi to leave the people of Jammu and Kashmir at the mercy of its neighboring countries because despite claiming J&K as its integral part it is treating the people of J&K as second class citizens to hide its own incompetence.
Re: Re: Re: Give up Kashmir
by adrgdr adrgdr on Nov 03, 2009 04:56 PM
Funny TaLKS from a State which eats fromIndia and gives nothing back. Looks like urStateis full of beggers.
Re: Re: Give up Kashmir
by sumi simi on Nov 03, 2009 03:57 PM
It is easy for the people living outside and comment..ask to them who are living here..despite being contributing for the nation and the state still seen with suspicious
Re: Re: Re: Give up Kashmir
by sss on Nov 03, 2009 04:00 PM
I used to visit J&K...and never felt diferent then any other part of the country...common people are working for livelihood...students are going to schools happily, even tourists are there in gulmarg and pahalgaam.
Re: Re: Re: Give up Kashmir
by Jai Babu on Nov 03, 2009 03:59 PM
How did u fel when the Pandits were ethnic cleansed and made homeless refugees? Did u se th ruckus over Amarnath land in the valley. The fact is that we are at war with anti national forces in Kashmir! Why risk the lives of Services' cricketers. As it is our soldiers are facing hardships and false acusations like Shopian and the kidnapping/murder case of that boy killed by his own clasmates in Kashmir
Re: Re: Re: Re: Give up Kashmir
by sumi simi on Nov 03, 2009 04:04 PM
sorry to say but I am also a hindu but what message we are conveying to the world. Tomorrow Home minister is visiting J&K to review the arrangement made for the return of Kashmiri pandits. So if the situation is so bad then why double standards.. services can't play in valley but government wants to send the KPs back. answer why these double speak...double standard.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Give up Kashmir
by Jai Babu on Nov 03, 2009 04:08 PM
Sumi-It is not about Hindu or Muslim at all. The militnts dont spare Muslims too-e.g braveheart Rukhsana. This KASMIRIYAT bu11 cr@p has been oversold too long. And as far as the Kashmir issue is concerned, the only solution is the way Russia moved against Chechnya or China against the Uighurs
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Give up Kashmir
by sumi simi on Nov 03, 2009 04:20 PM
If there is any problem there is solution also. If u are advocating chechiniya like operations then why not against naxals. if there is a bad boy in your class it is possible for you to punish the entire lot. Problems are being created by the governments & our governemnt lacks a clear policy to remove alineation among the people it it is kashmir, orrisa, jharkhand or any other part of the country.
Re: Give up Kashmir
by WhySoSerious on Nov 03, 2009 04:11 PM
visited Ladakh this summer... Govt of J&K does nothing there... life is hell there after summer...
its because of army Ladakh has some basic infrastructure that too after Kargil war...
they have done the right thing, by not goin to play. . The reality is Kashmir is not safe for security personal without guns and bullet proof vests. . Whom are we cheating or trying to impress? . IF J&K is so normal, why dont they host india aussie matches, . Farooq Abdullah roams in Z category security and can talk somethin. . Dear armymen, life is not cheap and cricket is not nation. . Only children of security personal can understand. . now people sitting in AC rooms will start abusing.
Re: Good show SSCB
by Umesh Sharma on Nov 03, 2009 03:47 PM
madarasi,i totaly agree with sscb for not playing, pm n sonia had the entire city vacated and people fm nc and cong were hired as crowds, players from services need security there is abs no security in j & K for all that trator abdulla shouts the ground level doesnot change. BCCI has done the wrong thing they shud hv rescheduled tha match, dont they do this for ipl? stupid guys, anyways it is no sweat if services dont play coz kashmir team will qualify, that is what the sickularists want.
Re: Re: Good show SSCB
by Jai Babu on Nov 03, 2009 04:00 PM
How did these armchair critics react when the Pandits were ethnic cleansed and made homeless refugees? Did u see th ruckus over Amarnath land in the valley. The fact is that we are at war with anti national forces in Kashmir! Why risk the lives of Services' cricketers. As it is our soldiers are facing hardships and false acusations like Shopian and the kidnapping/murder case of that boy killed by his own clasmates in Kashmir
Re: Good show SSCB
by NOBODY on Nov 03, 2009 03:46 PM
Even India is NOT safe according to People from west.... so wat u say when they will refuse to come to India on security ground.
Re: Re: Re: Good show SSCB
by NOBODY on Nov 03, 2009 04:02 PM
then u should not move out from ur home if u fear that much for ur life. what u think, the people who live in kashmir or any disturb area is NOT moving out from their home??? terrorist activity can happen anywhere anytime.......even US is not safe
Re: Re: Re: Good show SSCB
by Surya Bhattacharjya on Nov 03, 2009 04:01 PM
Why dont you go to any safe country? Don't why for you are living in this country.
Re: Good show SSCB
by ali mohd on Nov 03, 2009 05:02 PM
right we can have auzie-india match here but u know whom kashmiris will cheer for???????? not india but auzzies. also dont forget the match between india nad westindies in sringar in 80's.
Kick out the officer In-charge from SSCB and from the defence forces.Being in the Armed Forces and giving security to the state they are afraid to play cricket in Srinagar. What a shame?
Re: Shame
by national madraasi on Nov 03, 2009 03:34 PM
rajan,, . Are u ok? do u know how the SSCB team is made to travel in local buses to reach the matches? / do u know wat it means to be a security personal in JK? . u seem to b from a DMK school
Re: Re: Shame
by tania nair on Nov 03, 2009 04:20 PM
If you are made to travel by local buses, then your management is to be blamed, not the entire world,
Re: Re: Re: Shame
by atul wasan on Nov 03, 2009 04:43 PM
I think services have taken the right decisions for a Ranji match securities are never adequate , its very easy to sit in the comfort of your AC and comment
Services is at fault on how they handled the situation. Individuals in the team having apprehensions can be justified. But Services pulling out of the match cannot be justified. If they wanted to satisfy the individuals with apprehensions, they should have talked with BCCI and JKCA and work out a practical solution for this.
Re: Thats not the way to treat Kashmir
by national madraasi on Nov 03, 2009 03:40 PM
why dont u go there and sit with the separatists. . criticizing from AC rooms is easy. . Security forces have been betrayed by the people of Kashmir, . they too are human beings
Re: Re: Thats not the way to treat Kashmir
by Santhosh Amin on Nov 03, 2009 04:04 PM
Anna!! Don't exhibit your foul-mouth here. What Services did was completely wrong. If they had problems, they should informed well in time not pulling at the last minute. They knew that they were slated to play in Srinagar. So they could have brought the matter to the notice of BCCI earlier. This is complete unprofessionalism exhibited by them. The question is not about security problems in J & K but the way Services handled the matter. After all hardly anyone comes to view Ranji ties. So they could have asked for security instead of forfeiting the tie at the eleventh hour. It's just like we prepare for the wedding and everything is ready but on the previous day bridegroom refuses to come for. What we gonna do? Just keep quite and moan? Don't we raise our concern? Services should have informed about their pull our well in advance and not at the last minute.
Re: Thats not the way to treat Kashmir
by THANGAVELU on Nov 03, 2009 03:51 PM
BCCI is dutybound to please Mr Abdullah. Did BCCI aware of the hostile conditions for service personnel in J & K ?
Services is a very ordinary team. Nobody knows any of their players. Maybe they thought that they were stars. Ranji Trophy will be competetive without them.
If we Indian start discriminating the Kashmir which is our Integral part our bloody neighbour gets oppurtunity for Foul Play. Services has done a shameful thing they must Apologize and match should be rescheduled.
