To all of you, After the response to my posts on the discussion board regarding Dada & IPL, I have come up with something which will help all of us to voice our opinions, specially people who liked & disliked my posts.
After watchin the KKR journey in IPL 2 (Let me tell you that I am a die hard fan of KKR and before this of Dada as well). Every evening, I have bunked my office, came early, travelled 200 kms from Pune to Mumbai to watch the KKR matches with my friends, hoping that they will win this time and I will hold my head high in front of my friends, who are Delhi, Chennai, Deccan supporters, Wearing the KKR Khan 12 jersey and waiting for them to win but everytime, I could get back is frustration and anger with the way some of the cricketers played. This has raised some important questions in my mind. I just went on researchin and rememberin all the past incidences and I could come up with the reason of their failure. Not that he is the one to be entirely blamed, but If we think logically his contribution to the teams failure is immense.
This is currently a culmination of my articles on discussion board and as the post there may fade away and I want everyone to participate and help me come out of this feeling if I am wrong.
I have started my own b!og and an open discussion board where we can all discuss about the same at length and the posts will not be deleted. I invite everyone on my b!0g for discussion.
my expertise opinion is to make dinda as the captain, his batting was stupendous against chennai, and his bowling is marvellous.if he is made the captain, then KKR can defenitely make it to the finals.
Re: GANGULY SHOULD BE THE CAPTAIN IN NEXT IPL.
by bhagat singh on May 20, 2009 07:11 AM
your dada is a chu... because of him the poor guys had to chase 190 in 17 overs insted of 20. I think he likes to play only for his captiancy.
Re: GANGULY SHOULD BE THE CAPTAIN IN NEXT IPL.
by bolomeresaath on May 20, 2009 05:02 AM
this looser dada who scores 1 run off 12 balls and 4 runs off 14 balls in t20 cricket should be thrown into the sea useless idiot he has contributed a lot to kkr's misery
Saurav Ganguly, is in the team because removing him from the team would create a frenzy and the entire fanbase in Kolkata would go beserk. Mad on the road, even lying down below Trams and buses claiming that they will give their life if dada is not in the team. Business wise too it doesnt make sense for someone who has invested more than 300 crores in a team and players, coaches and facilities. Now, SRK bought Kolkata unlike Mumbai or Delhi becoz he knew it is a cricket crazy city. With the help of Ganguly, he would have decided the team structure- Ganguly was the one who was selected for KKR as icon player even before the team was sold. So, I wud like to believe that SRK who is not a cricketer would form the team with the consent of Dada. Dada was the one responsible for gettin Greg Chappel as coach of India and then later on what happened is history. All players have been bought in this team with the consent of Ganguly, as it was reported that SRK wanted Dhoni in the team but Ganguly opposed to it. So, in comes Laxmi Ratan Shukla, Aakash Chopra, Bangar, and his friends. At that time, everything was fine. All the teams except Mumbai Indians who finished at the bottom 4, have changed their captaincy and team formation. Bangalore brought KP and Dravid was removed as Captain, Adam Gilchrist for Deccan and Mumbai remained unchanged as Sachin was not part of the team for the major part of the competition. So whats the harm, if KKR management tried the same.
Re: For u Guru and dada lovers, some sense
by avinash singh on May 19, 2009 09:05 PM
contd.. VVS didnt make noise, Rahul Dravid was Orange cap holder in the beginnning part of competition and Sachin was the MOM for a couple of matches. Where is Dada ?? Poor Laxman, isnt even playin maximum of the matches, why no roadshows there??? So, you understand, that Ganguly, is given a chance in the team itself is a big service to him so that he doesnt cry in front of Kolkata crowd and they again dont create a situation.
Re: Re: For u Guru and dada lovers, some sense
by avinash singh on May 19, 2009 09:05 PM
2. Dada has been a cry baby and always an insecured player in Indian team, if you still havent read the Greg Chappel letter to BCCI, would advise please read it, all this has been observed and is completly and factually correct. Ganguly, has always been scared of facing pace bowlers just because of that he has couple of times, sat out faking injuries and that he was not a good fielder is a known fact, his running between the wicket is well questionable, the bowling is all about luck. Please check out the match in Nagpur, during Ganguly as a captain and Greg Chappel as coach against Australia, where he fought with the groundsman and BCCI to not have a green pitch and just because the groundsman didnt bow down to his demand, he refused to captain the team and Dravid was the captain for that test. This tells us how fearless, "Princely" and "Tiger-like" figure is your Mr. Ganguly commanding respect.
Re: Re: Re: For u Guru and dada lovers, some sense
by avinash singh on May 19, 2009 09:06 PM
3.Remember, Mr. Dalmiya everyone. The man from Bengal, President of BCCI, who monopolised Cricket for a long time. That Ganguly, became captain of India ahead of Kumble, Srinath and other seniors. When Sachin Tendulkar, whose captaincy was dismal and he resigned from captaincy, Ganguly was a player under Sachin, and that he underperformed and suddenly flourished after becoming captain is something which still hasnt been looked at. All of a sudden Dada became the captain and the team whose performance under Sachin was dismal suddenly became talk of the town. Thankfully, Sachin only played for the love of Cricket, money or country whatever the reason people may give.That till Dalmiya was the president, Ganguly had a free hand. The moment, Dalmiya was defeated in elections by Pawar, our beloved Dada changed loyalties and all of us know how Dada, again came in the team despite whatever happend. The same, happened to Peitersen in the Moores episode. Today, Peitersen is in the team but not as a captain and still is provin himself. So, Again a point, I would like to make is that Dada was and is always Selfish. He just does it for himself and whether people should support him to this length and breadth is beyond my imagination. Dada, was not made a part of Indian one day side becoz everyone knows that to what extent will that man go to get back his captaincy and certainly today he doesnt deserve a place.
Re: Re: Re: Re: For u Guru and dada lovers, some sense
by avinash singh on May 19, 2009 09:06 PM
My Friend cricket may be about money, but we as a viewer dont get paid to watch it, we watch it for the love of the game and thats it... so, if somebody thinks that he is above the game will be criticised and the supporters should also be ready to accept the truth rather than supportin their icon in a dumb manner...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For u Guru and dada lovers, some sense
by sidharth sood on May 19, 2009 11:38 PM
avinash.FANTASTIC.Whata brilliant article u have written with facts.all along i was reading articles on people favouring him.dada has become a real 'DADA" OLD MAN.he just uses public (to be more precise bengalis) help to be in the team.He has no performance lately to be proud of.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For u Guru and dada lovers, some sense
by ganessin virappin on May 20, 2009 01:53 AM
This is utter non-sense. Ganguly is one of the best captain sof India. He is the 4th highest run getter in ODIs. Also scored 7000 runs in Tests and above all most successful Indian captain. He does not need anyone like Dalmiya or Bengal public. His achievements and talents are self-sufficient to regard him as one of the all time greats produced by India. Note: I am not a Bengali. I am from Pondicherry.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For u Guru and dada lovers, some sense
by Rosogollaz on May 19, 2009 09:55 PM
all i can say is you got too much time on your hands..
there are two types of people who spend so much time making thesis on Ganguly 1. His blind fans 2. His blind dteractors
People with some sense (frm bengal and non bengal both) dont really think its worth tht much.
Thrz one thing i alwys believe, whether its a sure failure like Agarkar or controversial Ganguly or elegant VVS.. before criticising anybody first try to achieve 1/1000th of what they have, then post away to glory ^_^
Re: For u Guru and dada lovers, some sense
by ganessin virappin on May 20, 2009 01:59 AM
This is utter non-sense. Ganguly is one of the best captain sof India. He is the 4th highest run getter in ODIs. Also scored 7000 runs in Tests and above all most successful Indian captain. He does not need anyone like Dalmiya or Bengal public. His achievements and talents are self-sufficient to regard him as one of the all time greats produced by India. Note: I am not a Bengali. I am from Pondicherry.
KKR Score is contributed by a few riders. The rest are playing for their Personal Motives & Reasons
There seems to be a doubt in commitment of players in KKR. The way Murli Karthik is fielding since last few matches and the way Gangully is sparing more balls to score some runs is not worth it.
On the issue "Ganguly in the team on current form etc.." Firstly, if Ganguly is really playing so pathetically, what stops KKR from giving him a boot? OK, he was paid over 5 crores so is that the only reason why you still retain him?? even if that means losing matches again and again ?? Therefore the answer is one of the following (a) Either Dada is not playing as bad as it is always made out to be.. or (b) He is being retained for non- cricketing reasons. Even a dimwitted person will understand that for "Kolkata"KR to sustain, Ganguly is the "be all and end all" ingredient... you chuck him out and that's the end of SRK as an entrepreneur.. Once it is clear that he is "SUCH AN IMPORTANT LINK FOR KKR", for cricketing or non-cricketing reasons, for his past or present form, Mr Buchanan ought to bl**dy well accept that Ganguly is here for good.And having accepted that, any joker can tell whether the team would perform well with Ganguly at the helm or Ganguly fielding at Thirdman!! Its for SRK, Buchanan and the rest of the brigade to create a situation which is conducive for Dada to be in good spirits, to see that he is not sullen and to ensure that he can put his 100% efforts. If they don't do that, be ready to go back with 2 victories in 14 matches!! And that's why Dada is the "Prince" .. and that's how a Tiger commands respect... Sorry Ideal,Avinash and others, in IPL you don't play "only cricket".. the sooner you realise this, the lesser you will burn your ass off!
Re: A Response to Dada's Detractors...
by chelsea on May 19, 2009 05:34 PM
dude..if ganguly doesn't perform for a while, he will be dropped. Where is laxman of DC ? Fact is that DC have players who can replace him. KKR does not. They don't have decent bench strength so Ganguly remains their best bet. Its like Graeme Smith of RR. He is still in team because there isn't anybody good enough to replace him.
Re: Re: A Response to Dada's Detractors...
by avinash singh on May 19, 2009 09:00 PM
3.Remember, Mr. Dalmiya everyone. The man from Bengal, President of BCCI, who monopolised Cricket for a long time. That Ganguly, became captain of India ahead of Kumble, Srinath and other seniors. When Sachin Tendulkar, whose captaincy was dismal and he resigned from captaincy, Ganguly was a player under Sachin, and that he underperformed and suddenly flourished after becoming captain is something which still hasnt been looked at. All of a sudden Dada became the captain and the team whose performance under Sachin was dismal suddenly became talk of the town. Thankfully, Sachin only played for the love of Cricket, money or country whatever the reason people may give.That till Dalmiya was the president, Ganguly had a free hand. The moment, Dalmiya was defeated in elections by Pawar, our beloved Dada changed loyalties and all of us know how Dada, again came in the team despite whatever happend. The same, happened to Peitersen in the Moores episode. Today, Peitersen is in the team but not as a captain and still is provin himself. So, Again a point, I would like to make is that Dada was and is always Selfish. He just does it for himself and whether people should support him to this length and breadth is beyond my imagination. Dada, was not made a part of Indian one day side becoz everyone knows that to what extent will that man go to get back his captaincy and certainly today he doesnt deserve a place.
Re: Re: Re: A Response to Dada's Detractors...
by Nagesh Asnani on May 20, 2009 12:16 PM
Hi Avinash, Great analysis i realy appreciate that but jst want to add more to it tht even Dada is selfish but the day he became indian captian we started winning and came as a team, we actually started winning overseas. so in my point he was still a great help to indian cricket.
Re: Re: A Response to Dada's Detractors...
by avinash singh on May 19, 2009 08:58 PM
VVS didnt make noise, Rahul Dravid was Orange cap holder in the beginnning part of competition and Sachin was the MOM for a couple of matches. Where is Dada ?? Poor Laxman, isnt even playin maximum of the matches, why no roadshows there??? So, you understand, that Ganguly, is given a chance in the team itself is a big service to him so that he doesnt cry in front of Kolkata crowd and they again dont create a situation.
Re: Re: A Response to Dada's Detractors...
by avinash singh on May 19, 2009 08:59 PM
2. Dada has been a cry baby and always an insecured player in Indian team, if you still havent read the Greg Chappel letter to BCCI, would advise please read it, all this has been observed and is completly and factually correct. Ganguly, has always been scared of facing pace bowlers just because of that he has couple of times, sat out faking injuries and that he was not a good fielder is a known fact, his running between the wicket is well questionable, the bowling is all about luck. Please check out the match in Nagpur, during Ganguly as a captain and Greg Chappel as coach against Australia, where he fought with the groundsman and BCCI to not have a green pitch and just because the groundsman didnt bow down to his demand, he refused to captain the team and Dravid was the captain for that test. This tells us how fearless, "Princely" and "Tiger-like" figure is your Mr. Ganguly commanding respect.
Re: Re: Re: A Response to Dada's Detractors...
by avinash singh on May 19, 2009 09:01 PM
My Friend cricket may be about money, but we as a viewer dont get paid to watch it, we watch it for the love of the game and thats it... so, if somebody thinks that he is above the game will be criticised and the supporters should also be ready to accept the truth rather than supportin their icon in a dumb manner...
Re: A Response to Dada's Detractors...
by SkShazid on May 19, 2009 05:00 PM
guru solid shot maara aapne. ye sab sada chamda chusne waale hain. ghulami inke khun mein hain. hats off to dada
Re: A Response to Dada's Detractors...
by rahul on May 19, 2009 05:51 PM
Boss get a life, i m also a dada fan bt m nt biased like u guys, y cnt u accpt d fact dat dada didn play wel in dis IPL, y do all of u try 2 luk 4 excuses wen dada doesn perform, a great cricketer is d 1 who cn perform under all conditions n even wen situations r tuff, n wthr he is standin at 3rd man or silly point dt shud nt b a matter of concern, i have seen dis so mny times, wenevr sumthng happens against dada, all dada fans behav like a cry baby, dis only proves dat u guys dnt hav any sportsman spirit, if he is removed frm d captaincey , dt shud nt deter him frm playin wel, dada is nt d only person in dis earth who has been treated badly, evry cricketer goes thru dese thngs, so plz stop cribbin abt evry single thng n get a life u loosers
IPL and Lalit Modi are taking the people of India for a ride. It is clear that few of the matches were fixed. Example: 1)Strong batting side like Mumbai cant even chase 120 @ 6 runs/over against not so strong punjab attack minus bret lee. 2) Mumbai cant score 4 runs from 6 balls and a bad bowler like munaf patel concedes only one run that over whereas he goes for nothing less than atleast 12 runs/over usually. 3) Deccan needed only 4 runs in 5 balls and Rohit sharma throws away his wicket as if he doesnt know how to play and with 5 wickets still in hand deccan cant manage to score just 4 runs in last over. 4) Non regular bowlers like rohit sharma and yuvraj singh take hatricks repeatedly as if it a joke for them. 5) Teams do well till the 18th over and suddenly they throw away the game to the opposition. Teams have been losing from winning positions and winning from losing positions. Such things happen in cricket but not as frequently as they have happened in IPL 2. So guys watch IPL only for time pass and dont get sentimental like the people of Mumbai did during Mumbai - rajasthan match which was certainly fixed. Jayasuriya batted as if he is new to International cricket!!!!
Re: Match Fixing
by max skinner on May 19, 2009 05:44 PM
IPL is a business at the end of day.It needs customers who are attracted to the services that it is offering - excitement and nail biting finish so that those who have paid money to watch get their money's worth. Singles being conceded easily,misfielding,silly run outs,wickets off really bad deliveries,top players changing form on a dime - people aren't blind to all these but still IPL is enjoyable till the last ball.
Re: Match Fixing
by Wihang Bendre on May 19, 2009 04:50 PM
The way you have analysed the situation, you should be in FBI or some such institution. Wake up buddy, T20 is one game where gamblers will lose more than gain ... Do not rake up non-issues
Re: Re: Match Fixing
by honey bee on May 19, 2009 04:59 PM
Wihang its not a non issue. Sweet orange seems to be right. Did u c d t-20 world cup. It was not as tight as ipl is. Only in ipl u get unexpected winners n unexpected losers. there is more to it than meets the eye.
Re: Re: Re: Match Fixing
by bhagat singh on May 20, 2009 07:28 AM
if any thing was fixed it was T20 world cup first in the first mach you have a tie and a bowl out between the two teams who are followed most keenly(IND and PAK) and then you have hattricks and 6 sixes and at the end india wins so that fools like us can sit and wactch IPL. if india had lost that world cup frankly no one would have any intrest in this stupid format of T20. long live test cricket.....
Re: Match Fixing
by Nagesh Asnani on May 20, 2009 12:20 PM
The way u r confident as if u fix the matches..... Dont speak until u have proof.... Matches are fixed .... joke...
Re: Match Fixing
by Asif Khan on May 19, 2009 03:32 PM
Not to forget Ganguly getting out against Rajistan Royals, that was the crucial for KKR from were things went out of KKR's hands.
Ganguly in team as a player and not as a capitan is very very dangerous for team.
Re: Re: Match Fixing
by SkShazid on May 19, 2009 05:03 PM
jaise teri abbu ke absence mein teri wahsiyat giri. kandahar se training complete kar ke kab lauta?
Look at hodge.. he supports his boss and being a team man, speaks responsibly. When he has nothing to say.. keeps quiet. I wish Ganguly takes a leaf out of his book. Being a senior cricketer, he has always run in against administrator. Being a rebel is good. But, not always.
As a senior, matured cricketer he is expected to be a role model. To all ganguly supporters, please dont keep saying he was the best captain and great player and all. That was in past. If that statement holds good, it also is true Buchanan was a great coach who put together 16 test wins. But, his performance is as poor as Ganguly.
No past laurels please.. By any standards, Ganguly has let himself and his team down.
