Re: Re: Re: no comparison between kumble and warnie coz
by Kumar Kalyan on May 06, 2009 07:11 PM
You are not Natkhat.. u r jealous.. More than 600 Wickets .. you have taken bl##d#
Re: Re: Hardest hitter
by Kumar Kalyan on May 06, 2009 06:56 PM
Every equation would be changed .. Hoping sehwag to flow for 2-3 matches and suddenly Orange Cap will coem to the Indians.
Re: Re: Re: Hardest hitter
by rougedge on May 06, 2009 07:34 PM
I doubt sehwag will get orange cap ever. He is not the guy who sticks till the end, he will hit a quick fire knocks and if he is very lucky,, then a big one. So Orange caps are for Haydens and Dravids and Gambhirs
Re: Re: Re: Hardest hitter
by Kumar Kalyan on May 06, 2009 07:00 PM
True man .. watch out for it. No hitter/blaster is there in compraision to Viru. In the World Cricket best hitter - Viru.. Only Viru.
a captain is as good as his team........ ask ponting to produce same results whe warne mcgrath hayden gilly were around then why is he struggling..... why can't he play great and match winning now because there are no grt players around him... same with sachin whe he was captain he did not had grt team repsonsibl were akways on him.......... now we have sehwag gambhir raina yuvraj dhoni ysusuf zaheerwhich makes everyone play there natural and fear free game......... even bradman can't make zimbabbwe or kenya to win matches.. hope it makes sense friends... any comments....
Re: good team....good captain
by gaurav khandelwal on May 06, 2009 06:10 PM
I makes sense most of the times but you can see what Warne did with Rajasthan Royals last year and now kumble has started doing with RBCs without two of their most expensive players(KP and Ryder). They have turned a ordinary looking team into a good performing team. So a good captain does make a big difference. No one rates Ponting as a great captain. A captain can change the outlook of a team with his talks and actions and inspiring the team (like Warne is doing with RR)
Re: good team....good captain
by bolomeresaath on May 06, 2009 06:22 PM
mr venugopal ur comment is rather contradictory u named sehwag yuvraj gamhbir khan etc etc it was gangully who was responsible for the initial growth of these players when he was made the capt the team was in disarray he created a bunch of world beaters from a bunch of clowns which stands as a testimony in itself of great captaincy
Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by Chaturchuramoni Chatterjee on May 06, 2009 06:37 PM
Under Ganguly India won a test outside India after a gap of 8 years. Ubder Ganguly India won a test outside sub continent after 15 years.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by Kumar Kalyan on May 06, 2009 06:58 PM
Best Test Palyers we have so far - Dravid/Lakshman/Kumble/Sachin/Sehwag/Ganguly/Bhajji.. Wont get such combination again
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by Chaturchuramoni Chatterjee on May 06, 2009 07:06 PM
Yes, but they won the test before that, first win outside sub continent in 15 years, last one came against England in 1986.
Under Ganguly India won a test in Aus after 23 years In England after 16 years and in WI after 26 years.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by Chaturchuramoni Chatterjee on May 06, 2009 06:52 PM
Sachin debuted in 1989 Dravid debuted in 1996 Laxman debuted in 1996
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by sanjay on May 06, 2009 06:56 PM
Very few tests played away that time. We visited Australia and Africa WI almost once in a decade.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by sanjay on May 06, 2009 07:01 PM
That happened even with Ganguly. 2000-2001 ZIM v IND 15/06/2001 Harare Sports Club ZIM v IND match lost
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by unni nair on May 06, 2009 07:36 PM
People Talk Lots Of ganguly as a Captain. How Many Captain Knock he has played & When He Was Not Captain How MAny Match Saving Or Wining inng Played for Team. He Was Just dying Regain as Captain. if Captin Cook Salt exit Ganguly Should Be printed on it So his desire will be completed. Yes i admire him as a 1 of the fab 4. indian Cricket Should To Kaplis Team who Won The WolrdCup that Has Brought Lot Of Money,everyone WHat fincial Condtion Of the Legend Before 1983
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by Chaturchuramoni Chatterjee on May 06, 2009 06:58 PM
Sorry! Can't buy your logic, India visited "minnow" Zimbabwe in 1998, and lost the test match there.
Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by sanjay on May 06, 2009 06:58 PM
Captaincy records
Saurav Ganguly ODI matches captained 147 Matches won 76 Win percentage 51 % Wins against quality oppositions Aus 4 Eng 7 NZ6 Pak 7 SA 7 Sri Lanka 6 WI 8 total 46 Win percentage quality oppositions drops to 31 %
Rahul Dravid ODI matches captained 75 Matches won 41 Win percentage 54 % Wins against quality oppositions Aus 1 Eng 8Pak 5 SA 4 Sri lanka 8 WI 8 Total 34 Win percentage quality oppositions drops to 45 % Difference in wins against quality opposition is whopping 14 percentage !!! Test record of ind last 2 capains. Ganguly Matches 49 Won 21 win raito 1.62 Dravid Matches 25 Won 8 win raito 1.33
Ganguly 9 out of 21 against minnows Dravid 1 out of 8 against minnows
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by Chaturchuramoni Chatterjee on May 06, 2009 07:03 PM
One point, Dravid hardly captained India any time, Chappell used to be the official coach and unofficial captain. It was shown when Dravid resigned from captaincy just a few months after Chappall resigned from coaching.
Re: Re: Re: good team....good captain
by KKRFAN on May 06, 2009 06:49 PM
your analysis is very vague and lacks a common sense as to what constitutes "minnows"and what indicates "quality". Whether they were winning abroad / domestic matches should be a parmeter
Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by Calspadeaspade on May 06, 2009 06:40 PM
What do you mean by Sambar flavour? Do you think he should be carrying sword in his waist to show he is aggressive?
Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by Kumar Kalyan on May 06, 2009 06:54 PM
One thing I can assure .. Kumble fights till the end.. He never gives it in easy way..
Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by mohan br on May 06, 2009 06:28 PM
Bullshit. With his south indian brains, Kumble has taken the maximum number of wickets in test and One cricket for India. And do you know how our strong batting lineup performed including our Sachin under Kumble's captaincy where we lost matches. Please check the records and comment.
Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by sanjay on May 06, 2009 06:34 PM
Now greatest Gangulian period full of Zimbabwe Bangla Desh wins Series win against quality opposition nil. How can we say him greatest ever captain?
Captaincy series wins abroad against quality opposition Pataudi one series win Bedi and Wadekar 2 Series wins each against mighty of their times. Azar Ganguly one each against quality oppositiom
but Ganguly Captaincy only series win gainst PAK abroad was shared so credit is devided between Dravid and Ganguly. Dhoni and Gavaskar one each against mighty side of their times Australia. Verdict- Ganguly was not most successful captain as projected by eastern journo and fans. As he captained for much lomger time with support of then Dalmiya. But he could not achieve what Bedi, Wadekar, Dhoni, Gavaskar achieved in shorter duration as captain.
Re: Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by KKRFAN on May 06, 2009 06:51 PM
how many zimbabwe and bangla matches may I ask? Dravid the clown even lost to Bangladesh.
Re: Re: Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by sanjay on May 06, 2009 07:04 PM
That happened even with Ganguly. 2000-2001 ZIM v IND 15/06/2001 Harare Sports Club ZIM v IND match lost
Re: Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by Chaturchuramoni Chatterjee on May 06, 2009 06:42 PM
India won a test in Zimbabwe under Ganguly in 2001, before that the last test India won outside India was in Sri Lanka in 1993.
Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by bolomeresaath on May 06, 2009 05:45 PM
example look at kapil dev jaat from haryana gangully from bengal dhoni jharkhandi all successful captains
look at gavaskar a clown captain look at dravid as captain look at sachin as captain play all lose all kumble also was no better
Re: Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by DD on May 06, 2009 06:01 PM
team did well under Azhar too. He is the second most successful captain. btw why such comparisons; r u a paki?
Re: Re: Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by unni nair on May 06, 2009 07:47 PM
If We all Have Taken More Interest in Indian Current Election We must Have been voted Some Good Poltician (Cong Or BjP Only). We indian always have A finger to point(Excuse). After 62yrs of indp We State Minded People Wanted Some Body from Our State to lead As PM Or captin of Indian cricket 2Day pawar HAs is bcci Chief. Next Some Body Else He will To Change The BCCI Head Qut
Re: Re: Re: kumballe was/is a poor captain
by Chaturchuramoni Chatterjee on May 06, 2009 06:32 PM
In the group league match of 2003 WC against Aus, India batted first and was all out in less than 130
Comparison b/n them is not fair bcoz they are masters of cricket and proved themselves almost 2 decades,Dey r leading wicket takers in the test cricket.Dey are old but not there cricket,every match they will produce some sort of surprises with there bowling.
Kumble proved dat he can be the best captian in difficult times 4 RC and communicate well across d team and i'll lead from the front and has v.gud respect with team..he'as tons of experience and aggresive approach..
Re: Kumble has captian was the d best decision..
by HI on May 06, 2009 05:35 PM
sadly this aggresive approach was missing when he was india's captain. its all money honey.
Re: Kumble has captian was the d best decision..
by Anurag Rathore on May 06, 2009 05:35 PM
Dravid was better choice as captain in absence of KP. However it will not affect their performance.
