Re: If Sachin retire-Virat would have selected by Sonu Nair on Jan 21, 2009 03:47 PM THATS RIGHT...Y DOES HE HAVE TO WAIT FOR SOMEONE TO RETIRE.HE NEEDS A STRONG SPINAL CHORD TO TAKE UP SACHIN S PLACE.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: If Sachin retire-Virat would have selected by Umesh Tambe on Jan 20, 2009 10:49 AM Sachin pushed his way in to India team solely on performance. He did not need begeers like you support him entry in Tem India    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: If Sachin retire-Virat would have selected by joydip bhattacharya on Jan 20, 2009 11:41 AM well said.. youngstars has to force themself into the game ..not on account of someone retiring    Forward   |   Report abuse

Re: What is best Ever Asian ODI Team by prakash on Jan 20, 2009 12:10 PM sab lande ko hata do indian team me se    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: What is best Ever Asian ODI Team by PRAFUL DATKHILE on Jan 20, 2009 10:06 AM Replace ganguly with sanath jayasurya    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: What is best Ever Asian ODI Team by akkenapallysridher on Jan 20, 2009 01:08 PM please capitan change from Imran khan to MS Dhoni (or) Sourav Gonguly    Forward   |   Report abuse

Re: WHAT NON-SENSE!!! WRONG INFO by harry na on Jan 20, 2009 04:04 AM refer to iccreliancerankings dot com for more details    Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: lol,what a fight???????? by Dire Straits on Jan 19, 2009 09:13 PM The funny thing is that I always argue with facts and figures, not some blind opinions.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: lol,what a fight???????? by joydip bhattacharya on Jan 20, 2009 10:04 AM Facts doesnot concider many aspects of the Game.... where you are playing, for which country you are playing.. how much pressure of expectation you are carrying..... what is the impact of ur failure to the team , to the game and the nation........ those aspects are never concidered in facts and numbers............ No one has contributed more then Sachin in the game..becuase he has not only scored runs..but he has brought smile to many many people..he has brought many in teh ground or infront of TV Screen..... Watching Sachin in the crease is the ultimate plesure in Cricket...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: lol,what a fight???????? by vathula on Jan 20, 2009 11:36 AM Don't consider facts; one should consider your views. Sachin's win record is very poor.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: lol,what a fight???????? by S R on Jan 20, 2009 03:50 PM oh i see vattala..sorry vathula    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: lol,what a fight???????? by asdf on Jan 20, 2009 01:49 PM Sachins plays for records and then for the team. The record partership which he had with Kambli. the coach wanted to declare the innings but tendulkar wanted to continue for the sake of record and he even told kambli not to look towards the boundary where the coach was standing else they will have go. This he how he is from childhood.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: lol,what a fight???????? by asdf on Jan 20, 2009 01:33 PM Sachin is not GOD. Treat him like any other ordinary person. Sachin cannot b compared to Bradman. Whe Bradman played he was way ahead of his contemporaries in tems of batting average. Sachins average is very good but u have many other players also who r having this average.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: lol,what a fight???????? by Zero h on Jan 20, 2009 02:40 PM list at least 1. Sachin is the BEST. Learn whats cricket.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: lol,what a fight???????? by asdf on Jan 20, 2009 02:59 PM Sachin -->tests: 54, ODIs: 44 Ponting --> Tests: 56.87, ODIS: 43.33 Kallis --> Tests: 54.57, ODIS: 45.38 U asked for one i hav given u 2. u better brush up ur knowledge on cricket before making all these useless statements. And what i m saying is that he is not good. Yes, he is one among the best.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: lol,what a fight???????? by asdf on Jan 20, 2009 03:00 PM Sachin -->tests: 54, ODIs: 44 Ponting --> Tests: 56.87, ODIS: 43.33 Kallis --> Tests: 54.57, ODIS: 45.38 U asked for one i hav given u 2. u better brush up ur knowledge on cricket before making all these useless statements. And what i m saying is that he is not God. Yes, he is one among the best.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: lol,what a fight???????? by asdf on Jan 20, 2009 03:06 PM This is for u 'Zero h'. more players. Mohammad Yousuf--> Tests 55.49, ODIs 43.18 Matthew Hayden--> Tests 50.73 ODIs 43.80 Rahul Dravid Forward   |   Report abuse

Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT... by Dire Straits on Jan 19, 2009 07:57 PM Let's check out the averages of some of these batsman in ODI matches that their team have won. In other words, their match winning averages in ODIs - Sachin - 57.12 Ganguly - 55.06 Ranatunga - 55.40 Jones - 56.25 Waugh - 37.92 (LOL) Miandad - 51.71 Jayasuriya - 41.60 Yuvraj - 50.63 OOPS, facts tell us the complete opposite. It tells us that Sachin have contributed better in match winning efforts than all the batsman I have mentioned in that list above.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT... by asdf on Jan 20, 2009 01:41 PM Sachins average is more in ODIs bcoz he opens the innings. At the start of his career when he used to bat lower down, his average was very less and the number of 100 plus scores were there for name sake. moreover he does not like to bat lower down the order bcox he knows then he will miss out on a century. Presently, Gambhir and /sehwag were doing really well in all forms of cricket. But Gambhir had to give way to Tendulkar bcoz of Tendulars reluctancy to bat lower down. In doing so they broke the left right combination and also the pair (Sehwag, Gambhir) who have been together in all forms of cricket(20-20, test, ODIs, ranji)    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT... by asdf on Jan 20, 2009 01:43 PM Also, in the Worrld cup in England, Tendulkar was asked to bat lower down. But he was adamant.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT by Zero h on Jan 20, 2009 02:43 PM Man, Opening is not at all a good job. You have to face fresh bowlers with aggression. Have you ever did it in real life? If someone scored as much runs as an opener , that will be rated as great.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FAC by asdf on Jan 20, 2009 03:11 PM in ODIs, opening is the best position to bat with the field restrictions. moreover, u can play full 50 overs. u can score more as well as easy runs. The most difficult position to bat i ODIs is the 5th and 6th position. Why he has scored so many runs as opener becuase of his reluctancy to bat lower down the order. He knows that if he bats at 3 or 4 down, he wud not b able to make centuries and his average will also come down. Forward   |   Report abuse
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Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT... by Gabby on Jan 19, 2009 08:20 PM sachin was a horrible player while chasing.... steve waugh came down the order...so its normal his avg will be lesser.... :O and further he is by far the gr8test cricketer of our time....look at the number of matches he has won australia.. in tests and ODIs ... the stat that u provided is hogwash... coz it proves nothing..... every player on that list has won their teams imp tournaments.... with their ability... remember jayasurya in 96 and Miandad is still a legend... coz what he did is legendary... untouchable... and yuvraj coming down the order at no.4-5 with that sort of an avg is herculean.........Ranatunga won Srilanka the 96'cup with his brilliant batting performance... and moreo over....... sachin scores heavily in the first innings of any match... he himself agrees that he is not a good finisher... and always bore the brunt of not being a good 2nd innings batsman...    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT... by joydip bhattacharya on Jan 20, 2009 10:21 AM Match is win by Team.... Match winner other then Sachin in Indian team.. early 90's Azaharuddin/Jadeja (small period) late 90's Ganguly early 2000 Ganguly/Schewag Now Schewag/Dhoni/Yuvraj/Gambhir that tells why we r wining now.......now concider Steve wagh ....played along with Mark Wagh,Mathe Hayden,Ponting,Bevan...All r match winner in that line up....now say how many times he has to play Match winning innings and how many times sachin has gone through that pressure    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT... by Dire Straits on Jan 19, 2009 08:30 PM Jayasuirya in 96 ? What did he do ? Scored single digit figures in the finals and semi finals of that World Cup. My figures are hog wash ? Remember, those are statistical facts, not my or anyone else's opinion. Those facts tell us who averages how much in ODI matches their team have won. Don't try to argue with facts. Those facts clearly tell us who is a better MATCH WINNER between them. Now on to 2nd innings average. Prepare to embarrass yourself, because in 2nd innings of ODI matches SACHIN averages 43.10 with 16 centuries.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT by Gabby on Jan 19, 2009 11:30 PM Seriously when i read your previously posted comments below, you leave an impression of being a hypocrite. When you say Sachin deserves to be among the top 20 batsmen of all time you are defying statistics as the list/ratings made by the ICC is on the basis of certain Stats which they took into consideration. You are not ready to buy Kevin Peterson or Sangakara as a better batsman than Sachin, but in this case you're ready raising sachins avg placards when its necessary in your favour!! Who is a bigger match winner Sehwag or Sachin in tests? As both of them average in 50s and sehwags avg is slightly lesser compared to sachin.. but sehwag is undoubtedly the best opener from the subcontinent EVER. Even Imran Khan's records befalls short in comparison with many other mediocre cricketers!! He just took 182 wickets in 175 matches!! Doesnt justify his tally, does it?! But that is how stats are! Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive but what they conceal is vital(ugggh... hate cliches). And one final dissonance, Sanath Jaisurya is the guy who really brought the bang bang theory in the fielding restrictions of ODIs during the 1996 world cup.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FAC by Dire Straits on Jan 20, 2009 12:09 AM You are again wrong. ICC rankings are not based on consistency. It's about how high a player have enjoyed a purple patch. Those stats I provided are FACTS, not opinions. If anyone can't digest them, it's their problem. Let Jayasuriya bring the bang-bang theory, I proved you wrong when you said that he won SL the 1996 World Cup. Now on to who's a better match winner in Test cricket, Tendulkar or Sehwag. Again, let's see their averages in Test matches that India have won - Sehwag - 52.27 Tendulkar - 63.73 Before debating please remember, these figures tell us how exactly both these players have performed when INDIA have won. Please don't mess up with facts, it will take away all your credibility. Forward   |   'Report abuse' disabled by moderator
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FAC by Dire Straits on Jan 20, 2009 12:10 AM Imran Khan averaged 22 (approx) with the ball and 37 (approx) with the bat in Test cricket. That was his greatness. It doesn't matter whether he took 400 wickets or scored 5000 runs, what matters is his averages which were outstanding. Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: originally posted by 'harmonium' - LETS FACE IT... by varum bhatia on Jan 19, 2009 11:57 PM you knw what it is very dismal to see that u people do not respect sachin for hatever he has achieved.....but the fact is whenever he plays well we never go into a position for sm1 to play a winning knock....remember the 2003 wrld cup match with pakis.....they could have easily wo had sachin not taken the initiative to attack.......n there r many more such occasions like that.............he is a genius n doesnt need to prove himself....    Forward   |   Report abuse

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Re: LETS FACE IT... by Dire Straits on Jan 19, 2009 07:46 PM Let's check out the averages of some of these batsman in ODI matches that their team have won. In other words, their match winning averages in ODIs - Sachin - 57.12 Ganguly - 55.06 Ranatunga - 55.40 Jones - 56.25 Waugh - 37.92 (LOL) Miandad - 51.71 Jayasuriya - 41.60 OOPS, facts tell us the complete opposite. It tells us that Sachin have contributed better in match winning efforts than all the batsman I have mentioned in that list above.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: LETS FACE IT... by km vb on Jan 20, 2009 12:26 PM Sachin is not a LUCKY MAN.Whenever he is not there in TEAM,INDIA won major Cups by INDIA. 1) WORLD CUP 1983 by Kapil Dev 2) BENSON AND HEDGES CUP BY SUNIL 3) 20-20 BY DHONI Also, cannot lead from front.A poor performer as a Captain. Only,builds scores for his individual records.    Forward   |   Report abuse
Re: LETS FACE IT... by Dire Straits on Jan 19, 2009 07:51 PM Now on to out Dhoni and Yuvraj, their contribution in matches that India have won. In other words, their averages in match winning efforts in ODIs - Dhoni - 72.45 (with 26 Not-Outs) Yuvraj - 50.63 Did I head you speaking something ?    Forward   |   Report abuse