Re: Dhruvi and Makvi
by f f on Jan 07, 2009 01:22 PM
Chee... Mumbi did not impose follow-on. They want to pile up some more individual records. That is why Indian-Bowling was weak all these days.
Re: Re: Dhruvi and Makvi
by Abhijit on Jan 07, 2009 01:26 PM
ff, Chee.... What is that? And with such good words in your vocabulary trying to analyse Indian Cricket, Bowling Fielding, Batting, & Sachin Tendulkar.
Re: Southie lost
by Anurag Rathore on Jan 07, 2009 12:28 PM
Aus couldn't save the Perth test after giving more than 400 target in 4th inning. It was also unfortunate. But SA did well. In ODI Aus is looking better side than SA.
114.2 Johnson to Smith, OUT, bowled him! Johnson! Australia win by 103 runs and the SCG celebrates a fantastic, sapping Test match! GC Smith b Johnson 3 (17b 0x4 0x6) SR: 17.64
Re: South Africa..........
by Abhijit on Jan 07, 2009 11:58 AM
Test Match ending towards a tense finish. Smith with his broken hand on crease to secure a draw. True Test match.
Re: Re: South Africa..........
by Anurag Rathore on Jan 07, 2009 12:02 PM
Luck is favoring SA.
108.1 Bollinger to Ntini, no run, Hayden's dropped an absolute sitter!, Ntini opened the face of the bat and edged a delivery which angled across him straight to first slip, Hayden got two hands to it towards his right and messed it up, Ponting turns away! Siddle is urges his team-mates animatedly
Re: the brave declaration by the Aussies
by S Shrikanth on Jan 07, 2009 09:48 AM
83.6 Siddle to de Villiers, OUT, he's chopped on just before tea! Thats a big wicket for Siddle, drawing a cramped attempt at a cut shot, only succeeding in dragging the ball back onto his stumps AB de Villiers b Siddle 56 (158m 144b 8x4 0x6) SR: 38.88
Despite an epoch-making home defeat to the Proteas at home, and calls for his head in the media, Ricky Ponting has not abandoned the Aussie way of playing the game aggresively. It also explains why the Aussies dominated the global cricket arena for over 15 years. Despite all the brouhaha in the Indian media - where else? - over India being the number one, I somehow cannot imagine an Indian captain thinking and doing things so boldly in similar circumstances. No disrespect intended to individuals, but we've seen the tame, predictable and tepid 'play-safe' approaches of Dravid and Kumble even when the Indian team was on top against England and Pakistan respectively. And before we get carried away in our self-generated cacaphony, here is a sobering thought - we're yet to register a series win on Australian soil even after 61 long years. No matter what the explouts of the current Dhoni team are, that doesn't look like happening for the next sixty years either! Jaganniwas Iyer
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by samuel ignatius on Jan 06, 2009 11:34 PM
to some extent the decision is widely influenced by injury to graeme smith...and existing record on the ground.
you are correct indian captains largely due to various pressure . including fans and media....do not do sporting declarations..
Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Brendan DeCruz on Jan 06, 2009 11:45 PM
well said iyer, cudnt agree any more wid u... india's cricket is nothin more than a laugh!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Govind Raj on Jan 07, 2009 12:04 AM
I don't think this is a BOLD declaration. This is a DESPERATE declaration. Ponting knows Smith is not available. He also knows Sydney will be like Indian pitches where batting on last day will not be as easy as say at Melbourne.
Coming to India's defensive Cricket, they have played defensive Cricket many times, but also have played very aggressive and positive Cricket in recent times.
BTW... Aussies played extremely defensive Cricket throughout the tour of India after they left the comforts of Bangalore ! Go back and revisit the series :-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Against Pseudos on Jan 07, 2009 07:09 AM
Raj:
You use the word Desperate, and go on to describe exactly why the declaration is a bold and a sensible one...
And I like your style of going to the past..... I'm sure you will keep pointing for the rest of your life that India is aggressive coz it played quite well in the '83 world cup...
Boss we are commenting on THIS match, and THIS declaration, and THIS result....
Re: Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by PAULSON JOHN on Jan 07, 2009 04:56 AM
Thats why Aussies lost miserably over here and they cant digest New Poerful team like India
Re: Re: Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by jdsraj on Jan 07, 2009 10:09 AM
you call india powerfull JOKE see the results india abroad tigers in INDIA and what else to say about perfomence abroad ?????? its there all to see no more comments on this
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Why Care on Jan 07, 2009 05:54 AM
"I somehow cannot imagine an Indian captain thinking and doing things so boldly in similar circumstances." ------------------
You're not comparing similar circumstances-- you're trying to draw parallel between circumstances that have no similarities whatsoever. We will talk about similar circumstances, the day Ponting makes such "bold" declarations while defending a 1-0 lead in the last match of a series. A 0-2 deficit is a different circumstance, so don't try to compare.
"No disrespect intended to individuals, but we've seen the tame, predictable and tepid 'play-safe' approaches of Dravid and Kumble even when the Indian team was on top against England and Pakistan respectively"
Teams will and can afford to play safe only when they're on top, and not when they're losing 0-2!
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Bharpur Sandhu on Jan 07, 2009 01:19 AM
Cmon Guys dont go by what J Iyer said.We have won the t20 world cup and We have beaten Australia at our home( we almost got close enough to beat them at their home if only the umpires were actually umpires).So its nothing about Indian Captain's attitude but the western umpires decisions which have always gone againt the Aussies or any western team.I dont know what Mr J Iyer feels about Ponting's decleration but if you see the series its a fullish decision(Australia might get through)but a team who chased 414 can chase less then 400.If they dont its ponting's good luck.
Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Bharpur Sandhu on Jan 07, 2009 01:21 AM
Its nit against the australians but in favour of them what i wrote in the above article.
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Ravi B on Jan 07, 2009 03:19 AM
My dear Iyer.. if Smith was not injured, Ponting wouldn't have had the balls to declare & leave such a target for SA to chase.
Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by krish on Jan 07, 2009 04:33 AM
Hellow ravi and co. Not surprised with your arguments in just in indian style. You guys are not in touch with things. The declaration has come just to exploit the benefits of the pitch which is breaking up now (Fourth day/fifth day) not because of Smith's absence. Wonderful Dhoni did'nt have even this guts against England in thelast match. You guys boast of Indian bowling- if so why did'nt he declare on fourth day to go for a win with a week team and with a 1-0 loss. People, it is only a transition phase that Aussies are passing through - they are coming back stronger as we are seeing - Indian can never reach that stage as we have no correlated and honest efforts and have plenty of egoism and show down nature. Look at what Ganguly had mentioned about the Indian team talking about No 1 position - unless they win overseas we can't proclaim anything near that. Rather SA is doing that more than India. Last Indian series with Aussies they made lot of noise and covered up the defeat thanks to BCCI money power - that's all.
Re: Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Why Care on Jan 07, 2009 05:12 AM
"Wonderful Dhoni did'nt have even this guts against England in thelast match."
Dhoni was defending a 1-0 lead in a 2-match series, whereas Ponting is trying to narrow the margin of defeat in a series which he has already lost. Dhoni would've risked drawing the series, whereas Ponting has nothing to lose. Get it? The situations are so different you can't even compare the two declarations.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Against Pseudos on Jan 07, 2009 07:31 AM
WhyCare:
The situations are SO DIFFERENT?... Hmmmmmm...
Dhoni didn't declare becoz India was winning, ..... wow..... so he feared another win for India... :-)
Australia is trying to "narrow the margin"... doesn't show there winning spirit?.... ;-)
I'm sure you'd be the first one jumping up-and-down justifying Dhoni's play-safe attitude if India was in this position, saying that he at least avoided the risk of a 3-0 white wash...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Why Care on Jan 07, 2009 09:00 AM
"Dhoni didn't declare becoz India was winning, ..... wow..... so he feared another win for India... :-)"
Pseudo- It's only utter lack of intelligence that can make someone construe that out of what I sai, because I have clearly mentioned in my earlier post that he would've risked drawing the series if the declaration strategy didn't work out in the end-- which he avoided by not declaring.
What lacks logic is Iyer and Krish's comparison of two entirely different situations, your support of their argument, and your interpretation of my comment.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Against Pseudos on Jan 07, 2009 09:06 AM
WhyCare:
I fail to see the lack of logic in Iyer or Krish's comments....
Anyway..... when you dispassionately read ALL the comments after a year or so, the lack of logic will certainly jump out at you..... and you know where I am pointing the lack of logic at... :-)
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Mojo Jojo on Jan 07, 2009 06:25 AM
Well said Mr.Iyer. Despite being on the recieving end for much of this season, Ponting has made a bold declaration. No asian teams will go for the kill like this. Not only India, we have seen pakistan and srilanka also going defensive on the final days. Only Australia and SA teams make such bold decisions and that is the reason they are at the top of the rankings. As for Australia, my personal opinion is they cannot take 20 wickets in a test match, with only one decent bowler in Johnson and no one to back him up.Thier Test domination can be very well over, unless they find two good bowlers who can complement Johnson.They are not a good T-20 side either. Probably they are still the world champs in the 50-over format, because they have the right balance to win an ODI match.
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by halwa singh on Jan 07, 2009 10:01 AM
You are absolutely wrong. Pray where did all of Ponting's boldness go to when he handed over the ball to Hussey , instead of his strike bowlers in Mohali??? Why was he not 'brave' or 'sporting' enough to take the risk of losing his place in the next match( remember the reason given by him was that they were slow on over rates and he could well have been out of the next match). He is just desperate. Moreover let us not blame Ponting alone. These decisions are team decisions.
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by xyz brain on Jan 07, 2009 09:39 AM
mr iyer even sf won thr first test match on aus soil after how long???? India is responsible for bringing aussies to ground no other team has beaten aussies consistently and further if it was not for the upiriing decisions india could hv won easily in 2004 and in 2008 aswell. dont just bark.
Despite an epoch-making home defeat to the Proteas at home, and calls for his head in the media, Ricky Ponting has not abandoned the Aussie way of playing the game aggresively. It also explains why the Aussies dominated the global cricket arena for over 15 years. Despite all the brouhaha in the Indian media - where else? - over India being the number one, I somehow cannot imagine an Indian captain thinking and doing things so boldly in similar circumstances. No disrespect intended to individuals, but we've seen the tame, predictable and tepid 'play-safe' approaches of Dravid and Kumble even when the Indian team was on top against England and Pakistan respectively. And before we get carried away in our self-generated cacaphony, here is a sobering thought - we're yet to register a series win on Australian soil even after 61 long years. No matter what the explouts of the current Dhoni team are, that doesn't look like happening for the next sixty years either! Jaganniwas Iyer
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Govind Raj on Jan 07, 2009 12:05 AM
I don't think this is a BOLD declaration. This is a DESPERATE declaration. Ponting knows Smith is not available. He also knows Sydney will be like Indian pitches where batting on last day will not be as easy as say at Melbourne.
Coming to India's defensive Cricket, they have played defensive Cricket many times, but also have played very aggressive and positive Cricket in recent times.
BTW... Aussies played extremely defensive Cricket throughout the tour of India after they left the comforts of Bangalore ! Go back and revisit the series :-)
Re: Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Against Pseudos on Jan 07, 2009 07:33 AM
Raj:
You use the word Desperate, and go on to describe exactly why the declaration is a bold and a sensible one...
For your information, if Smith was available and still Ponting had declared THEN the declaration would have been a desperate one..
And I like your style of going to the past..... I'm sure you will keep pointing for the rest of your life that India is aggressive coz it played quite well in the '83 world cup...
Boss we are commenting on THIS match, and THIS declaration, and THIS result....
Re: Aussies play the hard way, after all
by Bhasmasur Rakshas on Jan 07, 2009 12:07 AM
Great message but you spoiled everything with the last comment..... How can you be so certain that India will not achieve a series win on Aussie soil for even 60 more years??
If there is a test series on Aussie soil now, India would win hands down...right now, India is way ahead of Australia in terms of its bowling and also its batting!!
yes ponting did it and that to in style whatever be the result of this match but aussies will loose the series but he has laid down the way for the best finish to the first test of the year
