I notice people on this forum using the phrase "selfishness" to describe players, especially Sachin, Saurav, Rahul and/or VVS.
For a player to achieve this level, "rational selfishness" is needed. You cannot rise to this level without an objective (in Ayn Rand's sense) approach towards selfishness.
These four players are all great cricketers. On leadership front, they are very different, some lead from front (like saurav) and some lead quietly (sachin, rahul and VVS). All of them are selfish, and could have been more successful if they are a little more rationally selfish.
Lets appreciate all of them while they wrap their careers up. Once they hangup their boots, we will be missing them the way Australia is missing McGrath and Warne.
For the time being though, lets not call them "selfish", as if we or some others in the team/forum is "altuistic". As far as I can tell, Mother Theresa never played cricket at international level.
Re: Its a war between non players and players
by Gaurav Satle on Jan 02, 2009 02:10 AM
"Sachin always wins as he hardly plays any cricket."
Rather its you who hardly watches cricket... and that is if at all you understand what cricket is. Suggestion: You should be wathcing Politics and not any sports
Re: Its a war between non players and players
by Senthil Sugumar on Jan 02, 2009 06:24 AM
suthiya - doesnt know what u r taking and doesnt know diff between politics and cric
Re: Its a war between non players and players
by Gaurav Satle on Jan 02, 2009 02:12 AM
As non spectators in cricket dont watch the game they have all the time in the world to mess it up while spectator simply concentrates on the game.
In this war its always the non spectators who win as they have the time to fight.
Cricket in these 4 countries has been fast losing its popularity and young sportsmen in these countries have been chosing other cash rich sports. So, cricketers in these countries would be losers in future. The loss of Australia to India in SA recently was scripted much back as Australia has not been able to find a world class player in the last 5 years. NZ has bee struggling with oldies in the team. Decline of cricket in England and WI started 2 decades ago and they are in poor condition. Since they have 4-5 other powerful sports which give better earning than cricket, sportspersons are not likely to be attracted towards cricket.
Contrary to this Cricket is No. 1 in India, Pak, SL and Bangladesh. In fact this is the only game played in these countries which public likes.
So, in future Cricket is most likely to shrink in Indian subcontinent SA.
Dada has not ruined any career ... but gave chance to Harbhajan, Viru, Kaif, Zaheer, Nehera, Balaji, Yuvi ... requested Srinath to come from ODI retirement for SA worldcup, coaxed Dravid to keep wicket so that he can be accomodated in ODI squad. He was fairly good at spotting talent ...
Only Dinesh Mongia and Agarkar who were not good / inconsistent somehow won his confidence
No regionalism, no politics ... just be concrete and give proof if you disagree ...
Re: Except Akash Chopra (in Test)
by save india on Jan 01, 2009 10:51 PM
"Give proof..."..for a minute i thought i am reading some paki statement..lol..btw i agree what u say..
Re: Re: Except Akash Chopra (in Test)
by premraja on Jan 01, 2009 11:10 PM
to an extent you are right but when he lost his form and place in team was being questioned he played politics to be inthe team
Vaughan is no sachin tendulkar. i sform is nothing great. So what the Englsih selectors did is the right thing. It is not right to show your loyality ahead of the selection process by any captain
This is a classic example of respect & friendship to his former captain Vaughan by pietersen as he stood by Vaughan during his difficult times. Good show by this English Cricketers. They have earlier showed exemplary courage & conviction when they returned to play in India after mumbai blast.
Indian crickers should learn from them. when Chappel (former Indian coach) was hurling disrespect, insulting the most successful captain of India no body including Sachin or Dravid or any senior players speak out on favor of Saurabh. They remain mere spectators !
Why not then India go to hell ? its not only politicians to blame, we all are to be blamed for the system.
today another bomb blast happened in Guwahati, what anice way to start the year...will it be a year of blasts !!!
Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by colm on Jan 02, 2009 03:37 AM
Mr Kar, all we indians should be learning is how to win more matches in the future, and i believe we have a strong team, a cool captain and a potent bowling attack, our fielding can still go up a notch though, and who said that sachin and dravid would not have spoken anything about that issue- its not that it never happened if it does not come in the papers. And the bomb blasts - well that is a big issue, i think you are right there, we all should stand up tall t fight against it, starting from choosing the right people in the government - Lets Vote.
Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by slash five on Jan 01, 2009 09:50 PM
saurav ganguly played enough politics. it was no secret that he openly sided with dalmiya. whe dalmiya's equations changed with pawar - we know what happened. so why drag in tendulkar, dravid or others ? wasnt it saurav's fault that he played politics, or was pretty close to dalmiya ?
Re: Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by slash five on Jan 02, 2009 07:56 AM
...hmmm, where do we start with.
coterie of young players - exclusion of senior players other than himself. this led to the senior players protecting their ass post chapell days.
chapell was good in a way that he ditched the quota raj, IN TANDEM, with ganguly. not all of his ideas were bad. however, when sauravs own form went bad - he completely went in the opposite direction of chapell. this is where saurav's coterie of young players helped him.
when saurav was ousted subsequently , and the chapell fiasco - sachin knew the mess he was getting into, so he opted out, he fully knew that he's not going to get his team, like once before. dravid is pretty much a lame duck, he was a lesser version of sachin and was clueless about the ways the regional bias and team dynamics/ politics moved, he followed chapell, and had a raw deal in terms of team co-operation. the last straw was when saurav refused to accelerate in a match - a match against bangla, which we lost - due to slow run rate. of course people would say why not the rest of the players do well - thats the mess saurav left behind in the wake of his ouster. worse still - dravid himself was not doing any good with his batting. surav could force a form by playing slowly, those days he was completely out of form, but he played slowly and accumulated runs - just to prove he was in form.
tragically, that slow innings of saurav came at the worst possible time - not during a test, but during a crucial world cup match.
Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by hari ray on Jan 01, 2009 10:32 PM
slash five ... you are ignorant ... dada's downfall was orchastrated by Dalmia not Pawar ... check the facts again ... and again ....
you are a divine idiot, last boy in the class who never opened his mouth in classroom but taking advantage of net ... ranting ... gadaha-r bachcha
Re: Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by slash five on Jan 02, 2009 07:47 AM
if you could stop hurling abuses, and start explaining how dalmiya was behind saurav's ouster, then, we'd get somewhere.
Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by deepak on Jan 01, 2009 09:32 PM
Indians have enough fights going on all the time...dont encourage any more fights and transform Indian cricket into W Bengal..fighting and squabbling and protesting..enough of that garbage..Sourav's time had come and he had to go..no loss to Indian cricket as there are far more exciting players waiting in the wings to replace aging superstars. Let look to exciting times. I would take a Yuvraj to Sourav any day.
Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by souvik goswami on Jan 01, 2009 09:35 PM
How true... Rahul Dravid has been a great player... but a very bad humab being. He was always a selfish person. When he was the captain, he didnt want to speak to Sourav, instead he said big things like people with right mental frame should be in team, etc. But when Rahul was in a bad patch, Sourav always came out openly supporting him. Rahul may be a better test batsman than Sourav, but in terms of leadership and human qualities, Rahul stands nowhere near Soutav.
Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by slash five on Jan 01, 2009 09:48 PM
thats bullcrap. this is the crap always given by begal and saurav fans. saurav's form was unsustainable, and the very leadership he showed in bringing in young lads, was used by him to support him despite his woeful form. what happened with greg chapell was for all to know. no one really knows the inside stry. one thing's pretty clear that dravid has never in his career spoken out or played "politics" like the brand used by saurav. for better or for worse, ganguly's brand of politics harmed him when the going was not good for him. and ganguly fans cant digest it, and blame dravid for his woes.
Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by deepak on Jan 01, 2009 09:35 PM
and Saikat is a classic case of obsession with a has been 90 year old Sourav Ganguly..for God's sake Sourav had to go some time..he went with respect...Dravid Sachin Laxman should go now as well..
Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by slash five on Jan 02, 2009 08:00 AM
i hope they go out on their own terms, unlike saurav who was forced out by vengsarkar.
Re: Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by Sajo John on Jan 02, 2009 08:22 AM
Dear all
Please dont spend too much time over sports. Let it be just sport. And why u peoplpe are abusing each others for cricketers. whatever happens they'll get their share of money. And they are doing their jobs well too. Or is it possible that by supporting KP, Sachin, Ganguly or Dalmiya, we can also make some money?.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by Srinivasa Reddy on Jan 02, 2009 09:50 AM
Money is not everything for everybody dude. If you think so, this is not the place where you said spend time. Many people here fight like dogs. People like me come here for time pass. Ofcourse there is some good, you know debating skills, abusing skills, basic requirements for joining politics. You never know, Tomorrow is never certain...
Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by Srinivasa Reddy on Jan 02, 2009 09:42 AM
Tell me why Sachin has to go. Show me the numbers. If you know about cricket, you won't say that. Sachin adds a lot of value to the team. He is an inspiration in the field. For Test cricket see the following numbers: Player Total Avg SR Gambhir 1134 70.9 50.8 Sehwag 1861 56.2 85.9 Sachin 1063 48.3 57.1 Laxman 1086 47.2 50.9 Yuvraj 261 37.2 61.4 Vijay 74 37.0 55.2 Ganguly 783 35.6 54.8 Dhoni 633 35.2 52.5 Dravid 805 32.2 38.6 Badri 39 19.5 44.8
Re: Re: Re: what a great person Kevin Pietersen is
by Srinivasa Reddy on Jan 02, 2009 09:45 AM
For year 2008 Player---Total--Avg----SR Gambhir--1134---70.9---50.8 Sehwag --1861---56.2---85.9 Sachin---1063---48.3---57.1 Laxman---1086---47.2---50.9 Yuvraj----261---37.2---61.4 Vijay--- ---74---37.0---55.2 Ganguly---783---35.6---54.8 Dhoni-----633---35.2---52.5 Dravid----805---32.2---38.6 Badri---- --39---19.5---44.8
The very notion that someone actually talked about harming somebody else "when he writes his autobiography at the end of his carrer" is very amusing. I'm sure Peter Moore will be very fearful of Vaughan's autobiography threat!!
