Re: only one question
by summer on Dec 29, 2009 03:48 AM
Unfortunately people at high positions are selfish to their bone. Everybody pitched in attacking DCCA preemptive.
Re: only one question
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:32 AM
yea but u dont have to play when it is dangerous,if indians continued then its their fault....dont always make indians as victims,our players should know right and wrong..
Re: only one question
by abhilash nair on Dec 29, 2009 01:59 AM
thats right indians were 45/5 at one stage in guwahati agnst aussies if they had called for bad pitch... press wud have critised indian batsemen and praised aussies who forced india to chicken out
Re: only one question
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:33 AM
Our players are known to give worst excuses do u remember Sachins dramatics after 2007 wcup when he blamed chappel for indias loss? How can the coach be blamed?did he catch hold of sachins bat while batting?
Re: Re: only one question
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:40 AM
i agree. but coach cant b blamed for bad performance but for bad atmosphere in dressing room.
Re: Re: Re: only one question
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:45 AM
players are adults and dont need to put up with bad dressing room atmosphere. its not easy to create rift unless u hate each other anyways. chappel for all we know might ve never done all that,its just sachins words against his,plus there was no need to put up with it,they gave him almost 2 years in the room,its not that overnite he turned bad..
Re: Re: Re: only one question
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:43 AM
yea but then y not kick him out right away,y wait till we loose wcup plus who hired him in the first place?it was ganguly who thought he will use Chappel as his chamcha like John Wright was.. and all Chapel did was ask sachin to bat number 4 which wasnt a bad idea u see even Virat Kohli scores a 100 at number 4 but sachin always wants number 1 slot to bat all 50 overs...so dont blame chappel,he didnt do anythign wrong..
When we didnt make the semis in 99 WCUP,it was the fault of ICC for using the points carry over to super sixes,not Indias fault to loose to ZIMB or play badly When we didnt make it to second round in 2007 wcup IS Bindra openly says how can team india be kicked out just by 2 losses When our pitches are substandard and even after warning from ICC a few months back the game is called off fairly,still its not our fault Aussies have won WCUPs 4 times and Champ Trophy twice,still they are no good cause they are sledgers(as if we dont sledge or slap fellow indian player) Gavaskar scores 36 of 60 overs and till this day maintains he didnt know why he did that as ODIs were new to him,did anyone ever play a innings like that,not even Boycott Mike Denness catches sachin red handed with video clippings as proof of ball tampering still Mike Denness is the one who gets the boot.again its not our fault Gavaskar gets out plumb LBW to Lillee in 1981 and creates a big scene and still its not his fault People who really care for our country to improve wont defend mistakes and try to improve in every angle Some moron even said Azhars ban should be lifted cause match fixers in other countries were let off,well who benefits if a match fixer is let go scott free and who gets hurt?is it that hard to guess? Saurav Ganguly is kicked out of team India,guess whose fault is that?Greg Chappel?so what the selectors like Kiran More have no power the moment chappel becomes team india coach?
Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:36 AM
gavaskar was known for walking out if he surely knew that he is out. he didnt wait for ump's decisions unlike today's heros who shamelessly hang around n say boast that its ump's duty to gv them out.
so there must hv been some serius doubt in the decision, may b inside knick of the bat or like thing.
v hv seen many bad ump decisions like in pak, or in aus.
Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by rocky on Dec 29, 2009 09:06 AM
Vinay: But This very Gavaskar talks abt covering the wickets so that u do not get out when taking a run. what say.
Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:41 AM
yea but what about the lsit i gave u in which our players blamed others for their mistake and Gavaskar was not a walker,even in Chennai test 1983 he was out and didnt walk Viv Richards was furious and gavaskar scored 236 and in that test in AUS Gavaskar was out,watch the utube video and he protested cause he never made a hundred(at that time 1981)in AUS and he wanted to score one badly AUS and PAK did have bad umpires,so do we DO u remember AV Jayaprakash who gave soooo many decisions agaisnst visiting teams Do u remmeber that umpire who adjusted his hat while giving out to Jadeja and midway decided not to?this was in SLanak India series in India 3rd odi,go check the facts..
Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:45 AM
i agree with u on ind umps mistake esp with that jadeja decision. thats what i mean to say. our current crop of players r not walkers like gav. in fact, recently some players was quoated as saying that its ump's duty to gv them out.
i hvnt seen that clipings of gav. but in general, he was known to walk.
Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:48 AM
vinay u do have to see that clipping,it was plumb as u can get,and also read the article about Chennai test(then known as madras)1983 when Gavaskar scored 236,even in his book sunny days he has admitted he never walked..
Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:29 AM
Sachin and India flop in 2007 WCUP and guess who gets the boot and the blame?Greg Chapel,sachin comes out in the media and says he was hurt by chappels comment and for what?asking to bat at number 4 to guide the team to win.give me a break,when are these guys ever gonna stop blaming a gora for their mistakes
The list just goes on
So whose fault is it?When are these whiners like Gavaskar and Chetan Chauhan ever gonna admit the mistakes and stop acting like victims,its never our fault is it?Its always some GORA who is the culprit,ive lived in USA for 11 years and not once did i ever see a GORA do anything atrocies against Desis,not that all Goras are good ,my point is u just cant hate one race and blame them all the time... Today Sunil Gavaskar says Stuart Broad gets off cause his dad Christ Broad is buddies with other match refrees,if thats the case Gavaskar is buddy with Cheeka bai who is chief selector,can we call bias in every selection of Srikanth,Cheeka has admitted so many times that he isa big fan of Sachin,so that means he will be biased in selecting sachin over others?not that i am saying sachin dont deserve but if Gavaskar thinks Match Refrees are biased then so can anyone in power
Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 01:52 AM
Gawasker always had a good reason to take a stab at goras, and he never too a step back. I admire him for that and we need few more like him..
Now Chauhan is crook. He screwed up and blaming others for his fault..
Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 02:02 AM
Gavaskar stabbed the dead David Hookes,u really think his family deserved that comment? Not all Aussies are sledgers and not all Desi players saints.
Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 02:04 AM
If Gavaskar is the only one supporting our cause then how come he doesnt use his favorite mantra of RETIRE WHEN THEY ASK U WHY AND NOT WHEN on Sachin? he kept saying that when Kapil was dragging his career? If Gavaskar was a saint what about that money in his locker What about his association and open support to Pak cricket not too long ago Even today u hardly see him bad mouthing Pak Because of Gora Bashing players like ranatunga have benefitted,do u really think Murali doesnt chuck? Gora Bashing isnt needed all the time If so then y select Gora Coaches? If so then y Gavaskar wants GORA money in Channel 9 team?has he ever turned down going to AUS like Murali has done once?
Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 02:11 AM
one more point of disagreement. just like u say gav was politician but definitely a good batsman.
same way, accept that although ausis might hv won 4 wc that doesnt mean that they r not sledgers. this 2 things r separate. they r good in ckt but bad in behaviour. in fact, they r cheaters taking bump catches (ponting). when they fear of losing, they start negative tactics (nz series of 2002(?)). they do the mischief but opponent players r banned or fined.
Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:38 AM
secondly mike dennes didnt find sachin at fault but 6 others to b punished. n above all, to saurav who was capt but didnt control his teammate's excesssive appealing?
he cudnt find anything with sa players but found 6 men guilty.
Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:46 AM
Lotiya u agree to what?that our players are masters in excuses? I still cant believe they can blame Chappel for wcup flop,.
Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 01:54 AM
I am agreeing with Vinay's comments on Mike Dennis and his actions.. I also agree with Vinay that Goras are not saint as you're trying to portray. Gawsker has lot better chances of Sainthood then any of the cricketing goras..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 02:09 AM
Raman, Yes CHappell wasn't at faults and I agree with you on that as I myself questioned Sachin's position on that wc debacle.. But then again, Gawasker is more right then wrong about his criticism of Goras..
I really think you need to read more about Aussies as they have ruined the game of cricket. They're pack of roudies as even Mark Taylor said that they need to work hard on their attitude to change 'Ugly Aussie' tag
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:58 AM
i dont potray goras as saints,but u cant blame them for everything the list i gave u mainly about the wcup flops of team india and then blaming ICC or Chappel was ridiculous
i really think u guys need to read more about Gavaskar,he sure wasnt a walker,i mean that LBW,u gotta see the clipping in Utube. Gavaskar is not a saint,he is hot headed and has caused so much friction in team india during his tenure as captain,he tried to wreck Kapil dev and lot of North Indian cricketers He was openly biased but a great batmsen.dont get confused. ANd he openly supported Pak in 1992 wcup that he got a dinner at the prime minister house there. he got out purposely in semis 1987 to avoid playing in Eden Gardens,everyone knew it too..read those articles and then decide for urself..
Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:51 AM
denis found 6 inds with fault but none from sa. saurav found guilty just coz he was capt.
what abt perth test between ind vs aus and now wi vs ausi.
ausis were never found guilty but only ind then and now wi players r found guilty.
problems is not with our mistakes but of biased treatment to us.
if u ban bhajji then ban symonds also. but u let go symonds with some warning or 5% fine (mockery) n ban others for 2 tests or odis????
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by rocky on Dec 29, 2009 09:03 AM
AP: What Vinay is trying to say that punish all the players at fault. now, try using the logic and u will come to know about the biased treatment :)
Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:42 AM
he did find evidence,go google sachin ball tampering ull find pics u still havent answered about the other list i gave u.looks like ur avoiding it
Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:50 AM
vinay
if we find the clip for that Jadeja incident when the umpire adjusted his hat that will be ultimate,i still cant forget that. the worst thing is Ranatunga went and shook Jadejas hands when he scored a 50,that was soooo obvious he was out,the nick almost flew to slip and Jadeja shouldve walked to save the umpire some flak AV Jayaprakashs umpiring in delhi test 1999 against pak was worse than Steve Bucknors... i think all umpires can be biased,not jus AUS or PAK
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 02:00 AM
And im not saying anyone has to walk,but dont drag ur batting partner along with u to the dressing room like Gavaskar did in 1981 Plus Gavaskar sure is jealous of AUS as they have won 4 wcups and his buddy sachin might never get that feeling,i mean sachin has played in 5 wcups and never been part of winning team so it sure bothers gavaskar plus Gavaskar has had many run ins with Goras but shamelessly goes to Chanel 9 commentary box for money
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 01:58 AM
Now how many Aussies have walked ? I bet all of them have walked as they're bunch of saints graced us all by playing cricket.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:53 AM
i agree abt jadeja's decision. there r many such instances. but again gav was always known for walking if he found himself out even in lbw case.
Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 02:03 AM
Raman, I just googled as you suggested and I couldn't find a single credible proof proving that Sachin indeed tempered the ball..
Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 02:06 AM
If Gavaskar is the only one supporting our cause then how come he doesnt use his favorite mantra of RETIRE WHEN THEY ASK U WHY AND NOT WHEN on Sachin? he kept saying that when Kapil was dragging his career? If Gavaskar was a saint what about that money in his locker What about his association and open support to Pak cricket not too long ago Even today u hardly see him bad mouthing Pak Because of Gora Bashing players like ranatunga have benefitted,do u really think Murali doesnt chuck? Gora Bashing isnt needed all the time If so then y select Gora Coaches? If so then y Gavaskar wants GORA money in Channel 9 team?has he ever turned down going to AUS like Murali has done once?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 02:12 AM
How critical Aussies are of Indian cricketers.. eg. Hayden, Ponting, Symond.. Guess what, Hayden and Symond quit National team to play for IPL.. Who is shameless ? :))
So lets not go to Money part in Cricket as BCCI has lots of money and these goras will not hesitate to quite their country and becaome Indian citizens for money...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 02:29 AM
Raman, Also, if Gawasker is so outspoken against Aussie Goras in partucular then why Channel Nine hire him? Obviously for Channel Nine Gawasker is not as bad as their own local pack of Aussies
Re: Re: Re: Re: When is it our mistake and not some GORAS?
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 02:05 AM
Give me u r email id,ill find it and email u,i remember seeing pictures of him lifting the seam up,later he said he was cleaing the ball..i sure will email u,..
bowlers shud also hv right to refuse to play if the pitch is batting paradise with no help to bowlers.
bolrs shud refuse to play on pitch which gives 400 runs a day without losing wkts. y only batsman hv become cry baby. y not allow bolrs also hv a say in pitch condition.
Re: Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by sam on Dec 29, 2009 01:28 AM
so.. anyone having a different opinion than yours should stop watching cricket?..
Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:11 AM
it was called off cause there was danger to batsmen(do u know batsmen the one who weilds the bat and did u c Dilshan got hit badly and Jayasurya someone who played for 20 years compared to u who hasnt played evne a single day thought it was too dangerou to bat on) when a batting paradise lets u score 400 runs a day the bowlers dont die,and if u want to protest for that then u apparently know nothing
Chetan Chauhan is trying to act smart by playing the blame game,he must be ashamed to say he has no clue as to how to prepare a pitch and followed orders,he played the game at the highest level and not mr Daljit singh who he is pointing the finger towards.
Re: Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by arihantak on Dec 29, 2009 01:31 AM
400 plus wickets are guilli danda cricket,you probably are used to watching that the most.
U may not enjoy bowlers enjoying their day out their.
Re: Re: Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 02:07 AM
i hate 400 plus scores man,but the reason bowlers toil is cause of ruels being bent,not just pitches,what about the free hit rule,what about one bouncer rule even in tests? what about more number of T20s which takes all fear of bowlers out of batsmen i hate the game being more towards batsmen,but bad pitches are equally worse
Re: Re: Re: Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 02:36 AM
yes. i hate batsman dominating completely over bowlers. no fun watching such one sided battle. looks like wwe.
Re: Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by arihantak on Dec 29, 2009 01:29 AM
It took them 24 overs to discover that ? If it is dangerous,it is dangerous from the begining not near the half way mark.In fact it should be dangerous from the very first ball. They lost 5 wickets and thought that they cannot win and made a decision not to play.
Or is it that you want to say they were trying whether some one dies within the first 25 overs or not.
They just chickened out.
A match in Indore was called off within the first 5 overs during 90s.
Re: Re: Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 02:08 AM
Well yes Srilankans need not have played 24 overs,but maybe they tried to have a game out of it. But if thats the case then y didnt Dhoni insist to continue?was he afraid to bat last in that pitch?
Re: Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:17 AM
to some extent agreed with u. but its a pity to see one sided wwe matches where bolrs r cruelly hit with all sides against them.
Re: Re: Re: bowlers right to refuse to play
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 02:09 AM
U c if u start bashing every foreign team for one reason or other like Gavaskar and co do then we should just play IPL
U dont see AUS complain all the time,they do sometimes but once they get on the field all they do is win u cant win 4 wcups without class,admit it Sledging is just one part,our players have learnt that well but not winnin
although wkt was not 'good' (for batsman!), they were offered to play on another pitch, which they refused. y icc referees dont take action against such capt of lankan team.
Re: lankans hv to take the blame.
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:13 AM
instead of thanking lankans for their good getsture to try to play in that surface Chetan Chauhan is blaming them the real chicken was he when he was prepared to walk with Sunil gavaskar in that match in AUS 1981 when Gavaskar was plumb lbw and behaved like a kid to bat on even after getting out and dragged his non striker with him to come back..that was the ultimate act of cowardise
Re: lankans hv to take the blame.
by Sameer Bhagwat on Dec 29, 2009 01:04 AM
The pitch was dangerous, the match went on for 23 overs because the umpires and players wnated to see if it would settle down. It never did and continuing till a tailender is sent to an hospital is not the right solution.
Imagine Mendis facing a Zhaeer Khan or Malinga hurling something at Nehra . It was a below standard pitch. No questio of chcken and egg. It was DDCAs fault and they should be banned for 100 years.
The next pitch was also underprepared. Plus it takes 3 hours to get all the microphones, stump vision moved etc.
Re: Re: lankans hv to take the blame.
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:10 AM
ironically pitch for the intl match was a bad one. but the one where the host delhi ranji team was playing domestic tourney on the same day was a good pitch.
what an irony of intnl standard of pitches in ind.
Re: Re: Re: lankans hv to take the blame.
by Sameer Bhagwat on Dec 29, 2009 01:12 AM
The Delhi Ranji team played on the Palam ground and not this ground. They won against Tamil Nadu scoring 490.
Re: Re: Re: Re: lankans hv to take the blame.
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:20 AM
yes, i know. but isnt it funny that a ranji pitch was much better than the intnl pitch having all the spotlight. curators of such palam ground b promoted to prepare kotla pitch.
The pitch was dangerous, the match went on for 23 overs because the umpires and players wnated to see if it would settle down. It never did and continuing till a tailender is sent to an hospital is not the right solution.
Imagine Mendis facing a Zhaeer Khan or Malinga hurling something at Nehra . It was a below standard pitch. No questio of chcken and egg. It was DDCAs fault and they should be banned for 100 years.
Re: Chauhan is a Moron
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:07 AM
ind team has faced such situations in nz ausis. never our batsman complained. in fact, our critics glorified our batsman's lack of technique to play on bouncy pitch.
Re: Re: Chauhan is a Moron
by Sameer Bhagwat on Dec 29, 2009 01:10 AM
Vinay , you don't know the difference between a bouncy pitch and a underprepared pitch?
Re: Re: Chauhan is a Moron
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:14 AM
Vinay when did Indians got hit all over their body like Dilshan and co had?that too in AUS and NZL?yea those pitches favored bowlers.but they were not dangerous to bat on,there is a difference
Re: Re: Chauhan is a Moron
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 01:10 AM
get a tape and watch the game first.. It wasn't bouncy but uneven as balls staying very low or bouncing awkwardly..seaming in either direction off the cracks
Re: Re: Chauhan is a Moron
by Raman Shiva on Dec 29, 2009 01:15 AM
Lotiya Once u start using Race as a excuse and think ur victims everytime a decision goes against u then u will always whine and if u notice most people do agree like u and me and blame DDCA but the biased ones always drag Goras into it and blame them for DDCAs incompetence.. Gavaskar usually does the whining this time his ex opening partner has done.
Re: Re: Re: Chauhan is a Moron
by Lotiya Pathan on Dec 29, 2009 01:34 AM
Chauhan is a typical Indian politician. Now Gawaskar whine but he always had solid reason and able logic to back it up, unlike what Chauhan is doing here. Chauhan's action is more comparable to Rantunga as you mentioned. He is basically trying to pass the buck and set Lankan up to take all the blame..
Re: Re: Re: Chauhan is a Moron
by Prasanna Singh on Dec 29, 2009 02:34 AM
will you please stop taking the gora's side. did you see what happened in aussi- west indies test? Benn was instigated to fight and then he was banned! Whereas the perpetrators haddin and johnson got away with a feather-duster floggin?! Wow! u call that justice?
if batsman had allready faces new ball then i think they should play another 25 over too. it should be obviously right that there is something for bowler.
ind shud b declared winner when lankans dont want to continue the game, then opponent ind shud b declared the winner.
when porkis capt inzi carried his team out of oval test, eng team was declared a winner. agreed with chautan, that there hv been many instances in world ckt, where pitches hv been worse than this kotla pitch. but no team has refused to play.
Re: Re: ind shud b declared winner
by vinay on Dec 29, 2009 01:05 AM
lankan batsman r responsible for the fiasco. nowadays, its fashion to score heavily on flat bed pitches. but if bowlers start getting help from the pitch, every1 start cursing curators for the 'bad' pitch.
Re: Re: ind shud b declared winner
by sam on Dec 29, 2009 01:10 AM
so u Mr. Bhagwat reckon that you have great common sense to try to shut anyone with a differing opinion from yours?
