Ponting wasted a golden opportunity in Cardiff by bowling slow bowlers which allowed 'pommies' to get out of jail. Was it not a blunder ?
Ponting has never been his own man ... His captaincy has always been by 'consensus' & has never been an aggressive or assertive captain.
Finally, my post was not a 'prediction' ... it was an 'analysis' or an 'opinion'. You may not like it but I can always share my thoughts on this forum with others. You may not agree with my views ... but thats fine.
And your question on why India was never a 3-time WC winner when we had players like Sachin, Dravid, Kumble ... etc.
If you slightly stand back & look at larger picture, it was India which has challenged Aussies on a regular basis in this decade (esp, before the retirement of all those Aussie greats). Anyone would appreciate that fact.
Fact of the matter is, Aussies have historically won those games by confronting the opposite teams at various levels ... to the extent of unfair play.
Ashes 4th Test - Aussie supporters triggered a fire alarm in the middle of the night on the 1st day of the test. Now, can you say that is acceptable ?
On the eve of 5th Test - Warney issues a statement saying that umpiring standards in world cricket havee falle through the roof & except for Rudi all others are just cr-ap. What does it indicate ? Why subject on-field umpires to this trial ??
Re: @ AP .... Its called 'analysis' & not 'prediction'
by Against Pseudos on Aug 27, 2009 04:50 AM
SH:
OK.... let's call it "Analysis"..... :)
According to your "Analysis", India should have done all those wonders with Sachin, Sourav, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble, Bhajji, Zaheer, Nehra...... etc. :)
We didn't..... ergo, captaincy matters..... :)
Thanx for clarifying my point..... I was wrong in using the word Prediction. I should have used the word Analysis..... :)
What it shows is ... Ponting is just an average captain after all.
Its easy to win test matches one after another and series after series when you have guys like Mcgrath, Hayden, Warne, Gilly, Langer & Gillespie ...
They were all greats of the game ... Ponting may be one of their very good batsman but as a leader he has never been assertive & was clueless on many occassions.
Ponting also has been unfair to good cricketers like Mcgill (who lost on his career just becoz of superior Warne) and Lee ... these guys were never in the good books of Ponting !
Mcgill actually rubbed salt into Ponting when he announced retirement when their Team wanted most ...
So, its now time for Ponting to hang his boots & make way for Clarke.
Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain ...
by Against Pseudos on Aug 25, 2009 10:41 PM
SH:
Absolutely..... when we had Sachin, Sourav, Laxman, Dravid, Kumble, Zaheer etc. all firing, we were winning every match and 3 world cups in a row.... :)
Coz its very very very easy to win with great players..... no captaincy needed..... :)
Re: Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain ...
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 04:34 AM
AP, We had Sachin, Sourav, Laxman, Dravid, Kumble, Zaheer NOT YOU.. They are Indian players..
Aussie or Confused Desi-Wannabe Aussie can't claim them to be their players...:))
Re: Re: Re: Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain ...
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 06:30 AM
What?? Sledge hammer predicted nothin in his message...:)
There is really no connection between your comments and what Sledge Hammer is saying....:)
Here we go again.. AP and his Headingley test all over again ....;-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain
by Against Pseudos on Aug 26, 2009 07:24 AM
SC:
;-).... Sledge Hammer predicted that having good players in the team always ensured victory..... :)
Captaincy didn't play any role.... :)
Of course there is a connection between SH's message and my comments..... :)
And you are right.... its my Headingley test all over again.... coz even that comment was very very pertinent and to the point, as my present point is..... :)
Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain ...
by sujay on Aug 26, 2009 01:10 AM
Ganguly was better than him.he controlled very well the disintegrated team in 2000.
Re: Re: Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain ...
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 06:33 AM
Unlike Ponting, Ganguly atleat didn't turn his team into bunch of rowdies,goones,cons..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 08:16 AM
AP, The same rowdies led by Ponting at Sydney, Lords, Mumbai, Centurian and many other places...:))
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 06:17 PM
AP, I didn't know Aussie are so dupped dumned that they need professionals for even potty training..
Anyway, I figured that from your comments Mr. Headigley Test..
Re: What it shows ... Ponting is average captain ...
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Aug 26, 2009 07:14 AM
Ponting still has a couple of years to go as a batsman. In North, Hughes and Clarke are the way forward. Shane Watson has proved himself. Hussey is showing signs of returning to form. Hilfenhaus bowled well through the series. The new Australian team is not complete, maybe they need Jacques to come back. However, I have no doubt that Australia would continue to be a competitive team. They have good batsmen waiting to step up, the bowling is all right. What they are missing is a quality spinner. England is a middling side which will occassionally peak. The top team in the world is right now South Africa. Next is possibly India and Australia. Sri Lanka needs to do better consistently overseas. Pakistan is an unknown quantity.
It started with their historical cheating with India at Sydney,Untill/unless they publicly admit the Plot & seel apology from GOD & INDIANS ,It will contineou & they will now loose even to bangladesh
Re: Re: Australi'a downfall
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 06:38 AM
AP, Absolutely right...:) Australian Global Image crisis in the cricket world, started after Sydney Test...:)
I was disappointed at Australia's loss in the final ashes test. Not that they played badly. first and foremost reason i believe, as also in the previous test was the appaling umpiring of rudy,billy, asad rauf et al.glaring instance when strauss was out plumb first ball to Hilfenhaus when billy ruled him not out!same billy made some stupid decisions against australians in their first innings.secondly, the team selection was totally wrong. past history showed that spinners are essntial to win at the Oval. Bafflingly Hauritz was not picked.Pup and politics go together and i cannot see australia becoming a great squad if pup were to lead them. He is probably the devisive influence of australian cricket team.The line and length and discipline of aussie pacemen was really the raeson for the loss. the run-outs of Ponting and pup wsa the final nail in the coffin. let us look at the positives. north seems to be a batsman of rahul dravid mould.i felt he was the left hand version of dravid, especailly in defence and some off side stroke s he played. Hussey regained his touch.watson showed his class and utility. it is just a matter of getting a good spinner and a committed paceman in place of Clark and or johnson.get in andrew symonds. then you will see them roar back!
Re: Australia will bounce back for sure- want to know why?
by Varun on Aug 25, 2009 08:03 PM
Dream on. They are going to go through a lull like lots of other teams have. They are still going to be a good team, but the great part will be missing. Their performance will keep varying way too much to be consistent.
Re: Re: Australia will bounce back for sure- want to know why?
by Against Pseudos on Aug 26, 2009 05:00 AM
Varun:
Well said..... they now lack the consistency...... amply shown through this series.... swinging from an extreme brilliance in the first test through to abysmal surrender in the second..... coming back roaring in the fourth and then tamely capitulating in the final......
They aren't the same awesome killers they used to be...... :)
Re: Re: Re: Australia will bounce back for sure- want to know why
by Balaji Krishnamurthy on Aug 26, 2009 07:23 AM
They have lost a lot of players very fast in the last 2 odd years. The other teams have sensed this opportunity and gone after them. By the way, these losses have just shown an old Aussie weakness. They play pace well but struggle against swing. Remember Agarkar's spell in Adelaide. Another weakness is against offspin. Offspinners have traditionally done well against Australia. Where the Aussies really lost was in the middle overs, when the ball loses its shine and stops moving. That is where Warne was a factor. He was able to control the middle overs. Their fast bowlers don't know how to use the old ball, and that adds to their problem.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia will bounce back for sure- want to know
by Against Pseudos on Aug 26, 2009 07:33 AM
BK:
Very well written, well analysed comment..... :)
Which will go clearly over the head of Spitting Cobra.... coz you didn't include any references to "cheating", "Bucknor" or "claimed catch", which according to our friend here seems to happen 20 times in every match Australia plays.... :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia will bounce back for sure- want to
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 06:09 PM
Wowow.. Finally somebody said couple good words about Aussie and Psyco Pseudos over the moon.
Idiot Pseudoes doesn't have gutt to call spade a spade and keep dragging utter nonsenses in discussion.
Re: Australia will bounce back for sure- want to know why?
by lalit on Aug 25, 2009 09:11 PM
Rightly said. But Aussies still would be hard nut to crack at thair home soil. Their batting is not fully debilitated yet ... yes they do lack spinner ... but the kind of attitude and their risk taking attribute would still make them a dangerous team. Forget the ranking other South Africa neither Sri Lanka nor does India justify their current ranking. Aussies still fare better then these two teams and are never beaten comprehensively. I can still bet that with Johnson and Lee in tandem, aussies can still match little bit their aura of invinciblity.
Re: Re: Australia will bounce back for sure- want to know why?
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 06:43 AM
Which two teams? Hey India almost beat them at Home, barely saved by Bucknor and Sydney Test..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Australia will bounce back for sure- want to know
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 06:22 PM
AP:)
Only difference is Aussie got their rear kicked badly in Ashes 2009 and guess what they had to cheat to sve Edgbeston Test...HHEHEHAHA... Herad Potning crying about the substitue running him out?? HE HA HE HA
Against India, Aussie cheated and took away Sydney test... criminals
Re: Nature's law
by Sachin zindabad on Aug 25, 2009 07:49 PM
Now it is Indioan team chance to dominate world Cricket for 100 years , H1ndustan Zindabad :-)
Re: Re: Nature's law
by Srinivasan Krishna on Aug 25, 2009 08:09 PM
you poor moron!it is not about india we are talking. up and down humpty dumptys! Statistics is the last resort of rogues and politicians, as is exhibited by yogesh and yes man varun.
Re: Re: Nature's law
by Spitting Cobra on Aug 26, 2009 06:13 PM
Who is We? You and your little mice? By the way Mr. Wanna be Aussie, don't go out in street in Melbourne or you might get whacked by your white masters....:))
Re: Nature's law
by Srinivasan Krishna on Aug 25, 2009 08:05 PM
Yogesh, by your logic brazil could never have been the 5 times champions and many times runners up in football!!WI was a typical case of economic returns taking away the cream from their cricket. mostly the WI cream went to the US for better prospects. wait for a few more years and you will see a quick going up of australia. you can see the talent and passion clearly! i do not see the same in Pakistanis or the south africans or the whinning English!! India, Sri lanka and even a Bangladesh can go to the top!
